Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:11:30 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #81 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: weapons in hapkido (David N. Beck) 3. Re: Original Hapkido (Klaas Barends) 4. RE: The Korean royal family (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 5. Flight Attendant self defense (Gregory Giddins) 6. Kuk Sool's Geun Moo Hyung (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 7. Revealed, secret to attaining high dans (Andrew Pratt) 8. Courses content at Yong-in University's TKD degree programme (Andrew Pratt) 9. [Policedo] Need Assistance (Ray Terry) 10. Re: Revealed, secret to attaining high dans (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #78 - 11 msgs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 7:37:18 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please remember to update the subject line on your replies. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:04:06 -0600 (CST) From: "David N. Beck" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: weapons in hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >What weapons do most of you teach your students? Why >do you choose those particular weapons, and at what >belt level do you teach them? At 1st Dan, cane and stick. Both use of and defense versus. Because of their common availability and carryover of principles; similar size, similar use. At 2nd Dan, knife and short stick (Dan Bong). Similar lengths and motions. At 3rd, plans are sword and staff (my highest ranked student just got 2nd). At 4th, plans are flexible weapons -- belt/sash, nunchaku. I touch on gun basics but they're not an organized part of my curriculum. David N. Beck, WATT Lead Engineer Internet: David.Beck@alcatel.com Phone: 972-519-3103 Address: MS SDVS-2, 1000 Coit Road, Plano, Texas 75075 ** Opinions expressed are not those of Alcatel USA ** --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 14 Feb 2002 16:45:57 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Original Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I wanted to mention that GM Ji studied original Hapkido with Doju Nim > Choi for only 3 -4 years as a teenager. :) >From what I've seen in Korea, this is in no way strange. When in the west someone trains as a teenager, he/she would probably train once (mabye two or three) times a week for about an hour. In Korea you'd live in-house with your sabunim, living, training, eating, sh*tting hapkido 24/7. This usually for a period of 3 to 4 years after which you stay in touch with you sabunim but also maybe start your own dojang. My master told me there are two kind of techniques, the ones you train for 3 years on a daily basis and the ones you train for 10 years on a daily basis. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Korean royal family Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Last spring my roommate and I took the tour of the Chang Dok Kung palace in Seoul, and we were told that the current descendents of the royal family are just ordinary citizens and are not titled to any special privileges unlike the royal family of England. The tour guide also told us that some old members lived there up until the late 80's before they passed away. Cool Fact: King Sunjo (r.1800-34) had his house constructed in 1828 as a place for him to experience the lifestyle of the yangban class-a largely hereditary aristocratic class based on scholarship and official position rather than wealth. Whenever the king was inside his house, he dressed like a yangban and ate the same foods a yangban would. Lastly, There is a Chinese Juniper tree on the grounds which is estimated to be over 700 years old and is notable because its trunk looks like a twisting dragon about to rise to heaven. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Gregory Giddins To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:00:52 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Flight Attendant self defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taken from a CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/14/in.flight.fighting.ap/index.html "AirTran Airways flight attendant Debbie Sutton fends off an 'attacker' played by fellow flight attendant Yolette Druar, during a personal defense course. COLLEGE PARK, Georgia (AP) -- With a knife at her throat, Clarissa Zimmermann throws up her arms, leans her weight toward the attacker and knocks him to the floor in two quick shuffles. It's a maneuver the 27-year-old flight attendant from Atlanta saw little need to know, until the day four airplanes were hijacked and crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania. "Before September 11, we were just completely oblivious that there were people who wanted to take us out," she said. In a sign of the changing times, airlines have started to offer flight attendants personal defense training as a precursor to formal training the federal government will begin mandating later this year." Does anyone have any info on any of these training programs for flight attendants, and or any info on the "formal training the federal government will begin mandating later this year" ? Greg G. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:14:42 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool's Geun Moo Hyung Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I find it very interesting that the founder of kuk sool won and his brother GM In Sun Seo both have books covering geum moo hyung but they are shown quite different from each other. GM In Sun Seo stances are much wider and deeper than GM In Hyuk Suh. Also, some of the techniques in the red book (GM Seo's) are a little different than the black book (GM Suh's). My first instructor taught geum moo hyung the same way as GM Seo's book shows and also some of the knife defenses as well. I think I remember him saying something was little different between the books but I am not sure. Has anyone else noticed any differences? ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:04:55 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Revealed, secret to attaining high dans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FYI, from today's Korea Herald: Son of IOC member faces investigation The prosecution plans to summon the son of the Korean International Olympic Committee (IOC) senior member Kim Un-yong next week in a probe of a corruption scandal involving the Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA), over allegations that he received tens of millions of won from KTA officials in return for influencing the association's personnel appointments. Prosecutors said they confirmed that Lim Yoon-taek, 49, the KTA's former general director, had deposited a huge amount of money into the bank accounts of Kim Un-yong's son. Prosecutors noted further that Lim's appointment to the executive post coincided with the timing of the deposit. Lim served as the KTA's general director between February and April last year. Lim is at the center of a recent corruption scandal involving the KTA. He is suspected of receiving 20 million won in bribes in return for exercising undue influence in the selection of members of the national taekwondo team in April last year. According to prosecutors, Lim put his close associates and relatives on the judging committee and asked them to rule in favor of a certain candidate. Last week, the prosecution sought an arrest warrant for Lim, who is also the deputy secretary-general of the World Taekwondo Federation, on charges of breach of trust. The prosecution said they will also file charges against Kim for breach of trust if he is found to have used his influence to have Lim appointed to the position of general director. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:47:21 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Courses content at Yong-in University's TKD degree programme Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone provide enlightenment about this observation? Yong-in University offers courses in TKD. Presumably the brand of TKD offered is WTF TKD. As students graduate from the university one would expect some of them to start their own TKD schools. This appears to be happening as I have noticed several minivans from TKD schools have 'Yong-in TKD' emblazoned on their sides. However, I was surprised to see one van was also emblazoned with 'Song-am.' Isn't Song-am the ATA version of TKD? My question then is Yong-in also teaching Song-am (or other) style of TKD as well as WTF? Yours in curiosity, Andrew --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:41 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] [Policedo] Need Assistance Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cross-posting from the Policedo list, in case anyone here can assist. Thx. Ray Forwarded message: Dear PoliceDo Readers: Greetings from Southern California. If you could be of assistance, especially, those of you who teach Law Enforcement Officers, I need available information on the illegal coke hold now banned by Law Enforcement, forearm across the larynx, knee in the back. I need to know the ramifications of such a hold and the damage it can do. Thank you very much for your kind assistance. Shihan Hugh Kelley _______________________________________________ Policedo mailing list Policedo@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/policedo --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Revealed, secret to attaining high dans To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:45:55 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Lim served as the KTA's general director between February and April last > year. > > Lim is at the center of a recent corruption scandal involving the KTA. He is > suspected of receiving 20 million won in bribes in return for exercising > undue influence in the selection of members of the national taekwondo team > in April last year. KTA/WTF having problems. The ITF having problems. Glad I'm an Eskrima man... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest