Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #83 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Books and Hapkido History (Carsten Jorgensen) 3. RE: Book stuff (+ ancient history and uniforms) (Carsten Jorgensen) 4. Re: Hapkido Promotion (Ray Terry) 5. Re: Re: Questions (Ray Terry) 6. Re: RE: Book stuff (+ ancient history and uniforms) (Ray Terry) 7. flight attendants (Meghan Gardner) 8. scholarship (Ray Terry) 9. Re: Changes through the generations and KSW (Richard Zaruba) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Richard Hackworth" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 2:43:1 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to commend Master Chris Garland of the Executive Martial Arts Academy in Nashville, TN for his promotion to 6th Dan in Hapkido. Master Garland has been a good friend and great Hapkidoin for some time now. He is probably the rightful heir apparent to the SinMoo Hapkido system. He has some great photos of GaChin Ji Han Jae on his website along with some downloads at www.jinjungkwan.com . He is always interested in meeting true Hapkido practitioners and often travels long distances for special training events. Richard Hackworthwww.kmaia-usa.org  --- Richard Hackworth--- drhackworth@earthlink.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.  --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Carsten Jorgensen" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:49:05 +0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Books and Hapkido History Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael: >>On the subject of Hapkido not being a style and having no set curriculum I would suggest that anyone in doubt of this buy the Hapkido Bible volume 1,, this book is set forth as the "original" Hapkido curriculum from GM Ji Han Jae<< Sure, there are many styles and they all have set curriculum's. I think the discussion is why there are so many different curriculum's. I'm saying the reason is that Hapkido has always been a generic name for many different styles. There never were an "original" curriculum for all "Hapkido" styles, just for individual styles for instance Song Mu Kwan/Sin Mu Kwan. Some styles (for instance Song Mu Kwan/Sin Mu Kwan) have been a very large influence on a very large number of later styles and you could probably say that the book shows the original curriculum for their lineage. But it would be very wrong to say it does for Hwarang Do and many other Korean styles. >> having worked out with GM Ji I can say that Hapkido Bible 1 gives me painful flashbacks everytime I thumb thru it. << Know how you feel, I feel the same way when people talk about GM Lee's techniques. There's really no pain like the PAIN you get from a real Grandmaster :-) Carsten Jorgensen cj@hwarangdo.dk Copenhagen, Denmark -- _______________________________________________ Win a ski trip! http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Carsten Jorgensen" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:47:07 +0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Book stuff (+ ancient history and uniforms) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Me: >> The "founder" page ( http://www.hwarangdo.com/hrd2.htm) is also very nice and the people making Korean MA history charts should take a look at this: http://www.allmartialarts.com/KIXCO/History/history/map.htm << Ray: >>A very interesting and very complete attempt to document this area. I've reviewed it a few times before, but still good to go back a read through it again. But you must admit, it is a bit difficult to trust it -too- much after reviewing just the very top two lines. But still, a good site and worth bookmarking. << I assume you're talking about the history chart, it's not open for discussion if there were a Hwarang organisation during the Silla and Koryo dynasties :-) Did "Korea" influence the Chinese martial arts more than a thousand years ago? I have no idea and no sources which says so, most influence came the other way. The only thing we can say is that there were unarmed martial arts in "Korea" at the time (tomb paintings in Koguryo). I don't think this detracts from history from 1940 - present? Second part, I can assure you that the founder of Daito Ryu is the Japanese pronunciation of Chinese characters meaning "3 Hwarang from Silla" (thanks to my friends at the Danish Roppokai for showing me the actual characters). There is really nothing strange about "Koreans" teaching martial art, or any thing else to the "Japanese" during this time in history. It's just a historical fact. If anyone's interested in the early relationship between "Japan" and "Korea" I recommend "Nihongi, Chronicles of Japan from the Earliest Times to A.D. 697" by Aston, W.G.: Charles E. Tuttle company, Tokyo, 1972, And of course "Paekche of Korea and the Origin of Yamato Japan" by Professor Wontack Hong. Ray posted the URL for the free internet copy: http://gias.snu.ac.kr/wthong/publication/paekche/eng/paekch_e.html) Not everything is scientific, but there's enough facts to 'get the point' "Japan's Hidden History" by Dr. Covell, Jon Carter and Alan Covell: Hollym International Corp, 1984 is a lot lighter, but is still interesting. But I still don't think it influences the modern martial arts history :-) Me saying the same again: "...The "founder" page ( http://www.hwarangdo.com/hrd2.htm) is also very nice and the people making Korean MA history charts should take a look at this: http://www.allmartialarts.com/KIXCO/History/history/map.htm..." Bruce: "I admire the kind of work it takes to document the various lines of tradition and their relationships to one another. " GM Lee wrote it a couple of years ago for a Hwarang Do anniversary (40 years since he opened his first Dojang), the text in the bottom part was added when it was posted on the internet a while back. It's always great to talk history with someone like GM Lee who was there right from the beginning, it really helps to remove some of the confusion. ("GM XY? Haha - boy say he's student of but he xxxxx"). Bruce: >>One thing I keep coming back to over and over again, though, Carsten. There is so much focus on the Japanese influence on the Hapkido arts, I still don't understand how it is that the Chinese influences pre-dated the Japanese influences and get so little attention. Have you ever discussed this with GM Lee to get his up-take on it? << No, but I'll ask next time, I agree it should get more attention. I think when people first discovered the Japanese influence on the Korean arts they went a little overboard ("there was no MA in Korea before the Japanese") so it was impossible to look at China, or anything else for that matter. Bruce: >> BTW: I saw some pictures of HRD folks wearing uniforms vaguely representative of what I remember as cadet uniforms. Whats-up about that? << Yes, they were designed 5 or 6 years ago. Black Belts can use them for Hwarang Do functions instead of a suit/tuxedo, and for belt testing. I have never bought one :-) There's a picture of GM Ki Tae Yum wearing one in the background picture at http://members.home.net/hwarangdo/ for those of you who like to see one :-) Carsten Jorgensen cj@hwarangdo.dk Copenhagen, Denmark -- _______________________________________________ Win a ski trip! http://www.nowcode.com/register.asp?affiliate=1net2phone3a --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Promotion To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 6:47:04 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > now. He is probably the rightful heir apparent to the SinMoo Hapkido > system. Actually that SinMoo heir would probably be Yung Freda, if any. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Questions To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 6:51:22 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > But we're talking history and there is no denying GM Lee's influence on > the Korean MA's. I received a very different impression in talks with the older Masters still in Korea, but .?.?. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Book stuff (+ ancient history and uniforms) To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 6:57:51 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Second part, I can assure you that the founder of Daito Ryu is the Japanese > pronunciation of Chinese characters meaning "3 Hwarang from Silla" ... Not sure I follow the above? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Meghan Gardner" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:20:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] flight attendants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark wrote: <> I'll second that. Modern Warrior has some of the very best civilian and LEO training available. They test *everything* they teach to the max. And they have a way-cool environmental simulator (gotta see it to believe it). If you're ever in the Long Island area, check them out. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com Burlington, MA USA 781.270.4800 "Always carry love in your heart, and a knife in your pocket." me --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 7:21:56 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] scholarship Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Korea Society Language Study Scholarship Guidelines _________________________________________________________________ Eligibility · Graduate students enrolled in degree programs or recent college graduates with a clearly defined interest in Korea · U.S. citizens who are currently residing in the United States Benefits · Tuition and fees · Economy class round-trip airfare between the recipient's home of record and Seoul by the most direct route · Monthly living allowance Terms and Conditions · The scholarship is awarded for study at a University in Korea. · Scholarship recipients must be resident in Korea during the entire period of the scholarship. · Except for related study or research, no other activities may be undertaken during the period of the scholarship. · All scholarship recipients are required to submit a brief written report within 30 days of the completion of their program of study. The recipient of the academic year scholarship must also submit an interim report. · Any other financial assistance received for the period of the scholarship must be reported immediately for possible adjustment of the scholarship benefits. Application · Two language scholarships will be awarded, one for the 2002 summer term (June-September 2002), and one for the 2002-2003 academic year (September 2002-June 2003). Individuals may apply for only one of the two scholarships offered. · Applicants must submit: application form; resume; official college transcripts; and two letters of reference. · Personal interviews may be conducted at the discretion of the scholarship selection committee. · Completed applications (including all supporting documentation) must be received no later than February 25, 2002. for application go to website www.koreasociety.org --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:54:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Changes through the generations and KSW From: Richard Zaruba To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The interesting thing to me is that when we watch and see many of the higher masters and grandmasters move and execute techniques they are small, precise and powerful movements from high stances. Then everyone rushes out to emulate that exact movement without asking one simple question, how did they get there? Answer: They did low stances and big rough movements at first and slowly refined them over the "years" of practice until they became the small, precise and powerful movements that everyone is trying to do from the beginning. The point to my ramblings; sometimes in our rush to reach the end we forget where to begin. In my KSW dojang we still push for low stances (a.k.a. 90 degree stances) during training, particularly in forms, basics and techniques. This has been true of Master Harmon, Master Sims and Master Sung Jin Suh when I have trained under them as well. We do not push students into 90 degree stances from day one but take a gradual approach to it starting at 60 degrees and working until the stances are at 90 degrees for the advanced students and black belts. Without training from low stances it is easy to miss the proper body mechanics for the movements which results in a lack of power, speed and timing in the movements. In sparring and practical self-defense training we use higher stances and find that our movements have been greatly enhanced by the low stance training. Sorry for the rambling. Respectfully, Richard Zaruba --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest