Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #86 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: O Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Nim honorific (ABurrese@aol.com) 2. Students with Disabilities (Bert Edens) 3. Kuk Sool Won (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 4. Re: Re: Nim honorific (Ray Terry) 5. Students with Disabilities (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. who (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 7. Who demonstrates exemplary behavior in the Martial Arts? (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 8. Re: Weapons in Hapkido (Michael Rowe) 9. Serak seminar (Ray Terry) 10. Modern Arnis Summer Camp (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Re: Weapons in Hapkido (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:08:31 EST From: ABurrese@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Nim honorific Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>From what I understand it should be either Dojunim ->>or- Doju Ji, but not Dojunim Ji. ??? >> >>Ray Terry Ray and others, For Mike to say Dojunim Ji is correct. Just like I may say Kwanjangnim Kim owned the school in Kangnung. If I'm talking to someone who knows who I am talking about, I don't have to add the name. So in Korea, I could just talk about Kwanjangnim, and it was known who I was talking about. Where it is not correct to use the nim and the name is when you are talking about yourself, or signing something, etc. Ji Han-jae can use Doju as a title, but he would not use the nim when referring to himself. Just like Kwanjangnim in Korea would never call himself Kwanjangnim, but could use Kwanjang as a title at the end of a letter or something. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:08:48 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Students with Disabilities Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: "Chris Holmes" > >Hello to all, this is my first post but I have been lurking for a while. >I just opened a Han Mu Do School and it is growing. My question to all is >this. What do you require/expect from students with diabilities. I realize >that all people have limitations although they are generally less than we >imagine. This paticular student only had 1 kidney. He is not allowed to >play contact sports. He does play baseball with some sort of brace. >Physically he is in good shape, which is no big suprize considering that he >is only 8, but Han Mu Do involves so much falling that I just do not know >what to do. He is really intrested in MAs and is doing well. He has been >attending ever since my school opened (about 2weeks) and I was only informed >of his condition today. I could teach him Tang Soo Do but to be honest I >enjoy the throwing and falling, well just the whole curriculum of Han Mu Do >so much more. This would also require having him come to personal classes. >Sorry for rambling so much on my first post but I really don't know what to >do. >My instructor's school is closed today and I will not see him until after I >have another class. Greetings, sir... What about this student's physical condition makes the falls and throws more difficult? I think curriculums can be modified to meet the individual. We've had several special needs kids at our school (training in taekwon-do), and we typically just take them along at a slower pace to be sure they've mastered one skill before moving to another. While still a recommended/probationary black belt, this has always been an area of interest for me. I'd love to hear more about this student and the circumstances. Thanks again! <> - Bert Edens 1st Degree Recommended, Level 2 (TKD) Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Won Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just want to thank everyone for their insight in helping me better understand KSW. Thanks a lot. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Nim honorific To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:27:52 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >>From what I understand it should be either Dojunim -or- Doju Ji, > >>but not Dojunim Ji. ??? > >> > >>Ray Terry > > Ray and others, > > For Mike to say Dojunim Ji is correct. Just like I may say Kwanjangnim Kim > owned the school in Kangnung. If I'm talking to someone who knows who I > am talking about, I don't have to add the name. So in Korea, I could just > talk about Kwanjangnim, and it was known who I was talking about. Thanks for the correction. I was just going by the directions and explanation mailed out to the Sin Moo community by Master Freda a couple/few years back. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:39:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Students with Disabilities Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations on your new dojang. Your goal is to develop this students basic motion. Just start him out doing simple technique, such as front falls from kneeling and let him go at his own pace. The technique does not necessarily have to come to the usual conclusion for him to develop his basic motion. If he can be thrown only half way through the technique you are off to a good start. In our dojang (hapkido), I have several students with disabilities. One is a amputee with one arm, an adult, and the other is a child with a partially paralyzed right side. With some minor changes there is nothing that they can't do. The adult simply does every joint lock and throw one handed and the child simply does the best he can. In fact, his slight range of motion in his right side is improving (which is a delight to his parents), and the adult is gaining strength in his shoulder as he is using it now to for trapping (his amputation is just above his elbow). They both can now do front falls, etc. As our dojang is not involved in competition in any form or fashion, I stress that we are more concerned with self-improvement above anything else and that the only person they have to compete with is themselves. You will at first, have to go slower with the disabled student until you are comfortable teaching them, but the best course of action is to start adapting or breaking down the technique for them and you will also get more comfortable teaching them. During the years, I have taught hapkido to amputees, deaf students, etc. and just like anything else - you will become more comfortable with them in time. After all, self defense is simply a trained extension of self control. Just my opinion. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] who Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Over the years I have noticed that people in the West who study the martial arts are more likely to defame others who are of lower rank who may disagree with them. I think that people who reach high ranks should act as models for those who have less experience and not lower themselves by exhibiting pettiness. I don't think that the founders of martial styles would go around defaming others but would lead by example. Korean martial arts are tied to Confucian values which speak of the bonds between seniors and juniors. In all cases, the virtue of exemplary behavior is cherished. So why doesn't this transfer to the West? ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Who demonstrates exemplary behavior in the Martial Arts? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I accidentally hit the "send" buttom prematurely on my last post. This posting shows my intended subject line. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Michael Rowe" To: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:45:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Weapons in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I teach the following weapons (With rank): Baton (1st Dan) Tactical Knife (2nd Dan) Bo Staff (3rd Dan) Cane (4th Dan) Belt/Necktie (5th Dan) Dan Bong-Short Stick (5th Dan) I am currently leaning Sword techniques (Kenjutsu and Fencing both) and I will eventually include this knowledge into my curriculum (Most likely at the 6th Dan level) Michael Rowe Nebraska State Director - ICHF --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:43:16 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Serak seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just back (Sat evening) from an all day Pentjak Silat Serak seminar taught by Victor de Thouars, hosted by Mike and Amy Roberto in Capitola (Santa Cruz), Calif. Great fun and highly informative. I highly recommend checking out Pak Vic and Serak (through him or any of his instructors) if you ever have an opportunity. The day was an excellent combination of history, lineage, empty hand and weapons techniques, physics, body alignment, structure and movement. And best of all, just lots of fun and warm friendship. If you ever have the opportunity, check it out! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:38:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Modern Arnis Summer Camp Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Modern Arnis Remy P. Presas International Organization (MARPPIO) Presents Remy Presas' MODERN ARNIS Training Seminar ... More Details: http://www.loriswebsite.com/marppio.htm Come to the North Carolina Modern Arnis Training Seminar! April 27 & 28, 2002 US Tae Kwon Do 5410-T Hwy 55 Durham, North Carolina 27713 For the introductory low price of only $150, you can train for 2 entire days with at least 4 Arnis masters, each with over 20 years experience. Come and experience southern hospital in sunny North Carolina! Make new friends! Learn more techniques that will supplement your art or be a dedicated arnisador! Sharpen your traditional arnis skills and learn all the new inovations from the Philippines which have will be introduced in the US for the first time! Join us! --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Weapons in Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:55:26 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > < do you choose those particular weapons, and at what > belt level do you teach them?>> > > I teach the following weapons (With rank): > > Baton (1st Dan) > Tactical Knife (2nd Dan) Is your baton and knife influenced by Remy Presas' Modern Arnis? I seem to recall that Prof. Presas was somewhat affilated with Combat HKD for a brief period of time. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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