Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #90 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Doju title (Ray Terry) 2. personal comment (Michael Choi) 3. S. Korean reprieve for Japanese songs (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 4. RE: Where can I purchase the Hapkido Bible (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 5. various styles of hapkido (Michael Choi) 6. More about Hwarangdo (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. Presidents Day (Ray Terry) 8. Re: Hapkido and weapons (Creed71963@aol.com) 9. Re: Muye Dobo Tongji (Creed71963@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Doju title To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:20:28 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > When I address Grandmaster Ji, I call him Dojunim. If I wanted to add his > name, I should say Ji Han-jae Dojunim or Ji Dojunim. But I always address > him as Dojunim. Interestingly(?) when Grandmaster Ji calls he'll say "Hi Ray, this is Grandmaster Ji!", in that very up-beat and happy voice of his. When he signs his name(w/title) he'll sign it DoJu Ji Han Jae. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 14:38:17 -0500 From: "Michael Choi" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [The_Dojang] personal comment Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many thanks for those who have complemented my participation in this forum. I'm sure most of you understand my participation as to help and add to this forum. I am not a hapkido master. I am not a professional hapkido instructor. Please do not address as master. I still have a long way to go on my journey in life. I'm much too young. As a advocate of democracy, I do not subscribe to this "closed system" of martial arts that's rigorously structured and makes little room for dialogue and discussion. Although my Hapkido teachers are Master Harold Whalen, Master Yu Chun-hee and Sin Moo Hapkido Founder Ji Han-jae, I recognize all Hapkido practitioners. They may practice a different "flavor" of Hapkido, but I recognize it as Hapkido. I stay with Master Yu and Ji Dojunim out of courtesy and out of convenience (I don't have to keep relearning techniques). Frankly, I do have the liberty to be inclusive of other hapkido "brands" because I do not compete professionally with other Hapkido practitioners. To me, Hapkido is not about fighting and it is not a living (profession). Hapkido is one way in living life and developing a positive, healthy, constructive approach to life and to your fellow human being. In closing, I wish all of my Hapkido colleagues the best in all their endeavors and hope they find the ultimate Truth. Warm regards, Michael Choi Check out Cupid School where you will learn from Matchmaker's best and brightest. Good Luck! http://ecard.matchmaker.com/cupid0202/cupid0202.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:40:19 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] S. Korean reprieve for Japanese songs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net By the BBC's Caroline Gluck: The South Korean Government has said it will temporarily lift the ban on the broadcasting of Japanese songs to mark the co-hosting of the football World Cup finals by the two nations this year. Japanese culture has been severely restricted in South Korea since the end of its 35-year colonial rule in 1945. In recent years, the government has begun easing restrictions on Japanese cultural products. But it delayed the further opening-up of local markets to such products last July in response to a damaging bilateral row over controversial Japanese school history textbooks which Seoul said sanitised Japanese wartime aggression. Symbolic move The decision by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to temporarily allow television and radio stations to broadcast Japanese songs marks a symbolic step forward in attempts to repair damaged ties following the row over school textbooks. The measure will come into force from this Wednesday, marking the 100-day countdown tot he World Cup football finals, and last until the end of July. The government said the decision was taken to create a festive mood for the World Cup. But officials are stressing that it is only a temporary measure-and one that will only affect the broadcasting of Japanese songs during joint official concerts for the football finals. The South Korean Government began lifting restrictions on Japanese popular culture in 1998, as ties between the two countries - historic rivals but important trading partners - began to improve. The next round was due to include pop songs and television programmes, which had been banned for decades. Hopes for rapprochement But this was delayed following the row over Tokyo's approval of controversial school history textbooks. While Japanese songs are banned from the airwaves, Japanese music is widely available and popular with young Koreans. Despite the diplomatic disputes, South Korean and Japanese joint organisers of the World Cup hope the event will bring the two countries closer together. A series of bilateral cultural and social exchanges are planned over the next few months, with both nations determined to prove that the first-ever co-hosting of the World Cup is a big success. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 11:47:38 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Where can I purchase the Hapkido Bible Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Try contacting the Han Do Group: H. Kimm 4816 Jamestown Ave Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808 Tel. 225-924-2837 Fax. 225-924-4054 The book runs about $79 plus shipping. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:06:28 -0500 From: "Michael Choi" Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: [The_Dojang] various styles of hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Frankly, I'm not offended if Ji Han-jae Dojunim is not mentioned everytime. There are other prominent figures in the "hapkido" community that are integral to its history including: Choi Yong-sool (of course), Kim Moo-Hong, Suh Bok-sup, Park Jung-hyun (I mean Dr. Kimm's teacher or friend, I don't recall), Ra Il-dong, Rim Jong-bae, Lee Joo-bang, Suh In-hyuk, Kimm He-young, Choi Han-young, etc. I refer to Choi Yong-sool as Hapkido Doju since even the original literature mentioned him as such. Sin Moo Hapkido Doju Ji Han-jae was definitely a close student (but not his only student). Ji Dojunim has shown me so many photos where he is (almost) ALWAYS standing to the right of Choi Dojunim. They must have been close in my estimation. In Ji Dojunim's copy of the original certificate (perhaps the charter?) of the Kidohae, Ji Dojunim showed me that Choi Dojunim was referred to as Yu-Sool-In. Unfortunately I didn't get a good look at the certificate. But another day, as both of us were watching "Sang Do" a Korean historical drama TV series, a monk sage appeared acted by an individual who was THE SPITTING IMAGE of Choi Yong-sool Dojunim. Then, Ji Dojunim said was all sincerity to me "he looks just like my master." I can see the emotion in his face when he said that. It was affectionate. The Hapkido that Ji Dojunim teaches is an eclectic blend of Choi Dojunim's yawara, the Korean Zen teachings and techniques he learned from Lee Sunseangnim and Halmunee, and techniques he develped (e.g., the clock-wise spinning kick and cane techniques). Sure other people have their versions of spinning kick and cane technique. But the spinning kick and the cane techniques that Ji Dojunim teaches are those he developed on his own or perhaps with the help of his colleague, Grandmaster Kim Moo-hong. The Hapkido that Ji Dojunim teaches is Sin Moo Hapkido. (BTW: Grandmaster Ji's school in Seoul was the Sung Moo Kwan meaning Star-Martial-House, not san mu kwan or any other misspelling.) Grandmaster Lee Joo-bang called his art in Korea Hwarang-kwan Hapkido. Once he came to the US, he switched to Hwarangdo. (A good idea since the Japanese can't claim it as their art --like they can with Hapkido --Aikido is actually the same word pronounced in a Japanese manner.) I recognize that his system is different than Ji Dojunim's system and I respect that. Grandmasters Suh In-hyuk and Seo In-sun teach a different system as well. Grandmaser Han-young Choi teaches another system. I respect them as different systems, but they all of the commonality of Choi Yong-sool Dojunim. They all have the same core, but developed into different systems. (Also, there are those that transmit only what they learned from Choi Dojunim, including Grandmasters Rim Jong-bae, Suh Bok-sup, Im Hyun-soo.) I respect all the systems. It's too bad that others cannot. Humbly, Michael Choi Check out Cupid School where you will learn from Matchmaker's best and brightest. Good Luck! http://ecard.matchmaker.com/cupid0202/cupid0202.html --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 15:34:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] More about Hwarangdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Carsten wrote: > But the Koguryo paintings actually does show martial arts, you can compare them with the > paintings found in "Chinese" toombs. Right. The Koguryo tomb murals are very similar to those of the Eastern Han dynasty, and the "Tomb of the Dancers" (Muyong-chong, if I remember right) is the one that has the most correlation with fighting techniques. > Of course GM Lee was one of the very first people to open a martial art school in Korea, Now this one is just plain wrong. There were tangsudo, t'aekweondo, yukweonsul, and kongsudo schools before GM Lee, and before that there were kendo and judo schools in Korea during the Japanese Occupation, and before THAT there were the t'aekkyeon schools, and before that there were undoubtedly others, although we can argue about their exact curricula. Usually you're so careful Carsten -- I've got to imagine that you're just having a very busy day! Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:17:37 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Presidents Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Presidents Day to the members of the_dojang. Especially to Master West... Perhaps the only member old enough to actually have meet both Presidents Washington and Lincoln! :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:32:45 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido and weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 02/18/2002 2:37:31 PM EST, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Message: 9 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: "dojang" Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:38:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido and weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Why teach weapons that may not be available when you need to defend yourself? I can see that knife and cane training would be valuable because they can be carried but sword? Obviously I am taking a view that is narrowly focused on self defense and may be missing the larger picture. (Please handle this as a request for information rather than a attack on what is taught) >> Offhand, subsitute the sword for a 3 ft piece of pipe, a baseball bat, a car jack handle, or any other 3 - 4 foot long stright object that could come to hand. The exact results will not be the same, but the movement will be the same..... CraigR. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:46:09 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Muye Dobo Tongji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Message: 3 From: "pepito perez" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:50:26 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Muye Dobo Tongji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have aquired the "Muye Dobo Tongji" and I think that itīs great!! I have been waiting for it to be translated for a long time. It gives a great insight in what was going on with ancient koren martial arts 300 years ago. I have not yet bought the videos on the subject.Are they good?<< I have more positive then negative feelings about the tapes...... In some ways, the tapes were a bit of a disappointment. On the presentation side, I found the camerawork poor at times, with off-center shots and shots too far away for viewing ease. Also, the stills at the end of the tapes added nothing to the value of the material. The colorful uniforms, while nice to look at, were not only a bit of distraction, but you can see several times where the demonstrator became tangled up in it. I noticed several other mistakes by the demonstrators -- which is fine for a home movie, but not for a serious demonstration. With some work, all that could have been corrected. As to the material itself, it was both good and bad. The strength is definitely in the sword forms on Tape #1, and the Shoulin staff form on tape #2. Almost everything else was either not shown or shown only once. Concerning the forms displayed, I noticed some things. First, they were very linear. That might be attributed to the fact that there was probably rows and rows of soldiers performing these forms in formation. Second, the sword all the demonstrator used were katanas -- Which is fine for the Japanese sword arts, but not all the swords used in the Muye Dobo Tongji forms are katanas. (They looked like katanas to me in any case.) In short, the tapes are a very good start. I could see that the demonstrators are knowledgeable, if not exactly polished, in the material. I feel like there should be a third tape somewhere..... Am I glad I have them? YES! Could they have been better? YES! Should more tapes be produced that go over the material in a comprehensive manner? YES YES! I would hope that the National Demostration Team of Kyung Dang (The people featured on the two tapes) would sit down and put together a series of Professional-quality tapes that would teach these forms and give those who are us who are intrested to learn them. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest