Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 06:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #92 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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What is HRD ? (Ray Terry) 4. Re: RE: Weapons Stuff - thanks (Tom Kennelly) 5. Hapkido Weekend in Jackson (ABurrese@aol.com) 6. Re: More about Hwarangdo (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 7. Fellowship in Translation (Ray Terry) 8. Welcome (Ray Terry) 9. [Eskrima] Warrior Creed (Ray Terry) 10. RE: Presidents Day (Smith Gordon A SSgt 423ABS/SFOD) 11. RE: Stance stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 12. Pak Vic in Massachusetts (Buddy Tripp) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 08:00:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Weapons Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Tom: "....Why teach weapons that may not be available when you need to defend yourself? I can see that knife and cane training would be valuable because they can be carried but sword? Obviously I am taking a view that is narrowly focused on self defense and may be missing the larger picture...." The weapons that I teach, soh bong, dan bong, cane, sword, staff and knife can be taught as weapons in their own right. However, the focus of weapons is more often related to two other aspects. 1.) :Learning a weapon provides a whole new range of challenges to the body asking it to perform in ways similar to but not identical with those movements required of the body when executing empty-hand techniques. 2.) Learning a weapon teaches biomechanics which can be used for the specific weapon at hand. More importantly learning the weapon allows you to learn biomechanics which, if mastered, can be generalizied to "weapons of opportunity". In this way, thrusting motions of the soh bong can also be used with any small thin item (ie. ball-point, comb). or the slashing motion of the sword can be generalized to a ball-bat or other club. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 7:11:48 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] HRD in Korea ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > A lot of people have exaggerated mental pictures of the number of schools > in Korea in the 1950ies and early 60ies. I think the real point here is that there were some 15 or 20 years (or more) worth of schools by the time Gm JB Lee opened his dojang. That alone, IMHO, disqualifies him from opening one of the first. One another note, just a question (no hidden agenda here), are there currently many (any?) HRD schools in Korea? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 7:15:10 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] What is HRD ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Who is still convinced that Hapkido is, and always have been, a generic > term for many different styles. So you are really saying that HRD is just HKD. Thanks! :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tom Kennelly" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Weapons Stuff - thanks Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:47:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow, this list is great. Rather than being attacked I got some useful and credible information. All I can say is thanks to all who responded both publicly and privately. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Weapons Stuff Dear Tom: "....Why teach weapons that may not be available when you need to defend yourself? I can see that knife and cane training would be valuable because they can be carried but sword? Obviously I am taking a view that is narrowly focused on self defense and may be missing the larger picture...." The weapons that I teach, soh bong, dan bong, cane, sword, staff and knife can be taught as weapons in their own right. However, the focus of weapons is more often related to two other aspects. 1.) :Learning a weapon provides a whole new range of challenges to the body asking it to perform in ways similar to but not identical with those movements required of the body when executing empty-hand techniques. 2.) Learning a weapon teaches biomechanics which can be used for the specific weapon at hand. More importantly learning the weapon allows you to learn biomechanics which, if mastered, can be generalizied to "weapons of opportunity". In this way, thrusting motions of the soh bong can also be used with any small thin item (ie. ball-point, comb). or the slashing motion of the sword can be generalized to a ball-bat or other club. Best Wishes, Bruce _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:43 EST From: ABurrese@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Weekend in Jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings all! As many of you know, the last three years that I was in law school, I didn’t make it out of Montana much, other than a trip to CA and another to Korea. I’ve wanted to meet many of the people on this list and am finally having the chance. There are tons of seminars and gatherings held around the country, and this year I’m going to get to go to two of them. The first will be in two weeks at GM West’s Hapkido weekend in Jackson. Out of everything going on in Hapkido, this is the place to be. The number of Hapkido practitioners there for a weekend of learning, sharing, and building friendships is amazing. I’ve wanted to go for years now, and am finally getting the chance. I look forward to meeting many of you that I have corresponded with by e-mail and telephone in person. My plan is to meet as many of you as possible, and to learn as much as a person can learn in a weekend. The second big function I’ll be at this year is in CO in July. I’ll be one of the people teaching a class at a big weekend in Castle Rock. Others there will include Marc MacYoung, Peyton Quinn, Bob Orlando, Stevan Plinck and many more. I’ll be leaving this weekend event to go straight to Korea for more training. It’s so nice to be able to start attending these events. For all of you going to Jackson in a couple weeks, lets make sure we meet. I’m looking forward to a great weekend! Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 09:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: More about Hwarangdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Of course GM Lee was one of the very first people to open a martial art school in Korea... << Just wanted to let you know that GM Myong Jae Nam, the founder of the IHF opened a gym in Nov. 1959 in his hometown as well. And in from Feb. 1962-1964 had a gym in Incheon. I am not sure about the number of schools in Korea during the time period you speak of. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:42:44 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Fellowship in Translation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Columbia University Postdoctoral Fellowship in Translation, 2002-2003 The East Asian Institute has established this fellowship with the purpose of producing first-rate English translations of scholarship in East Asian languages in any field (excluding fiction). The Fellow is obligated to spend half time translating, checking, and editing in order to submit a completed manuscript by the end of the year, which the Institute will place with a publisher. The other half of the time is devoted to the Fellow's own research or writing. The stipend is $35,000. The grant begins September 2002 and the Ph.D. must be in hand by July 1, 2002. Candidates should send a proposal for a translated volume (a reader, a single text, etc.) that can be completed within the grant period; a sample translation from the project of at least ten manuscript pages in length; a curriculum vitae; and two recommendations, each including comments on language, translation, and writing skills. Send materials to: Postdoctoral Fellowship in Translation, East Asian Institute, Columbia University, 912 International Affairs Building, Mail Code 3333, 420 West 118th Street, New York, NY 10027. Deadline for receipt of all materials in April 1, 2002 --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:47:09 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We've had a flood of new subscribers to the_dojang over the last couple of weeks. Just a short note of welcome to you all. Please feel free to join in the discussion. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:16:47 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] [Eskrima] Warrior Creed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cross posting from the Eskrima list... Forwarded message: There is an article on martial arts in the Marine Corp at: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26437 Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath For more information visit the PTI web site at: http://www.pekiti-tirsia.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Smith Gordon A SSgt 423ABS/SFOD To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:55:49 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Presidents Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good one, Ray! I was having a crappy day serving over here in England until I read that and reading Master West's reply made my day even further. THX to both of you... G Smith (USAF) 1st Dan, Hanmudo --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 07:45:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Stance stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Richard: "..... We do not push students into 90 degree stances from day one but take a gradual approach to it starting at 60 degrees and working until the stances are at 90 degrees for the advanced students and black belts. Without training from low stances it is easy to miss the proper body mechanics for the movements which results in a lack of power, speed and timing in the movements. In sparring and practical self-defense training we use higher stances and find that our movements have been greatly enhanced by the low stance training........" I'm not sure if this is going to come out right, but work with me on this for a minute. I understand what you are saying about the training principles of using deeper stances to underscore proper body use and provide additional conditioning. I am wondering if its necessary to work with practitioners so that they do not tend to experience this sort of training as an affectation. What I mean by this is that there are any number of postures, techniques and stances which, in fact, have sound principles but whose visual impact seems --- well-- "undramatic." On the other hand there are also quite a number of postures and techniques whose applications may be questionable but seem to lend an atmosphere of the exotic to practice. I'm wondering if instructors need to make an extra effort to clarify the training purpose of low stances in the Hapkido arts to avoid feeding into some of that natural "magic thinking" that some students can bring to the class. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Buddy Tripp Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:08:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pak Vic in Massachusetts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Pak Victor deThouars will be returning to Massachusetts where he will give a one day seminar in Pentjak Silat Serak. For more information please contact Buddy Tripp at BuddyTripp@lungmen.org. Hormat, Buddy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest