Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #106 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<--------------- The_Dojang mailing list --------------->> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: need some help (Ray Terry) 2. RE: HDGD founder (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 3. Bush-Kim Jong-il Summit (Ray Terry) 4. Sword preferences (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Pride "Bad Blood" (Ray Terry) 6. MA "survivor" (Neal Konecky) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:31:50 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: need some help Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Probably not what Donna was looking for, but... To fight and conquer in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy with no fight at all, that's the highest skill. -- Sun Tzu Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: HDGD founder Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> The guy I met is named of Kim Jeong Seong and he has a school in Busan near Kwangali beach. His website is www.haedong2001.com He is friends with my friend in Busan and he gave me his double sword form book. Just wanted to know more about the double sword form in Hae Dong Gumdo. ===== International HKD Federation-Sun Mu Kwan USA www.ushankido.org Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:11:49 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Bush-Kim Jong-il Summit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ex-CIA Analyst Suggests George Bush-Kim Jong-il Summit February 24, 2002 A former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) analyst who covered North Korea for more than 20 years said yesterday that conducting summit-level talks with the North is the only way to bring about the anticipated changes in the North, judging from her knowledge of the North Korean leader's style. "Kim Jong-il has made it clear that he prefers the personal diplomacy of this kind," said Helen Louise Hunter, former CIA assistant national intelligence officer for the Far East and now a member of the U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea, in an interview with the Korea Times. Hunter thought that the various lower-level talks and contacts between U.S., South Korea and North Korea, while important in themselves, are bound to be produce few tangible results, since the North's system delegates no real authority to its negotiators. "Bush would be the perfect person to meet Chairman Kim. They are both people-to-people persons, and they would have fascinating conversations once they meet," Hunter said, adding that Kim Jong-il is "a curious person, who likes to listen to other people and wants to learn." Noting that the world has failed for years to understand the North Korean leaders correctly, she depicted Kim as enjoying "much of the support of the people," and as being a person who likes to be in charge and in control, giving hands-on advice on every imaginable field. She also said that contrary to the image portrayed by Western mass media of Kim being a womanizer, he actually leads a somewhat "Puritan" life. Also, Kim is much more sophisticated and much savvier than his father (Kim Il-sung), receiving all the latest world news from satellite, and has a great belief that information technology can be used to lead his country to adopt a high-tech future, skipping the traditional stages of economic development, Hunter added. In a sense, "Chairman Kim is the leader of the reform in North Korea," Hunter said, yet it is a reform that "does not threaten his power positions or the existence of his regime." As a result, there will be no significant change in North Korea as long as he is in power, she forecasted. "The regime is evil," Hunter said, concurring with President Bush's remarks made during his State of the Union address in January. Hunter founded the U.S. Committee for Human Rights in North Korea four months ago together with North Korea specialists Karl Gershwin of the National Endowment for Democracy; former U.S. Ambassador to Korea James Lilly; former congressman Stephen Solarz and professor Marcus Noland. "Our aim is to publicize the conditions of human rights in North Korea, and to undertake serious academic subjects," she said. They will cover issues including the North's famine situation, North Korean refuges in China, and political prisoner camps there, "Personally, I would like to also bring up basic issues like the lack of political and religious freedom," she said. Hunter was in Korea for an international seminar on North Korea hosted by the Kim Dae-jung Peace Foundation Friday, where she gave a presentation titled "How to Approach North Korea: Perception and Misperception on Political Leadership and Bureaucracy in North Korea." She co-authored the book "Kim Il-song's North Korea" with Stephen Solarz in 1999, in which she detailed the everyday life of North Korea from information that was available in U.S. at the time. Her book was translated into Korean. She currently works as a lawyer, retiring from public service two years ago. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:53:55 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword preferences Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig writes: > The Muye Dobo Tonji mentions several different sword designs, including > Katans, jians, and the single-edge, stright-bladed design commonly associated > with KSW. Hello Craig. You seem to concur with my findings. Because WKSA folks seem to use the straight blade, I found that many WKSA students were of the mistaken belief that Korean blades are never of the curved type. I just thought the thread was a good venue to make them aware that this is not so. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:15:14 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Pride "Bad Blood" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wondering how many of y'all watched the PPV "Pride" fight this evening, a MMA (mixed martial arts) event. The final bout was between Ken Shamrock and Don Frye. First two rounds were a bit boring, I guess. Third (and last) round much better. Frye takes the split decision. They both had on ankle locks the final round and now both my ankles hurt... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:41:24 -0800 (PST) From: Neal Konecky To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] MA "survivor" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Unlike Mr. Boyd, I have very definite opinions about Mark Burnett creating a MA "Survivor" show. I think is is a disgrace. It is difficult enough to teach MA with proper traditional philisophical underpinnings already. How many times have we been asked "Isn't MA just a more efficient way to beat someone up?" Or, "Does'nt MA make you violent?" How many times do we deal with parents who are unwilling or unable to learn what MA is about before signing up their kids? And this is the face that will be presented to the public. Millions of people will watch and learn what from this? Neal Konecky Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest