Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:12:27 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #112 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Duck - Hapkidoists spitting into wind !!! (Patrick L) 5. Opening the records (michael tomlinson) 6. Re: Korean Masters (Ray Terry) 7. HKD vs. silat ? (S. H. WEE) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Morgan James To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:09:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] USTF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have any knowledge of another USTF other than the United States Taekwon-Do Federation, which is the US governing body of the ITF(International Taekwon-Do Federation) founded by Gen. Choi? Maybe like around the Missourri part of the MidWest? I have a new student who came to me with a "High Level" White Belt certificate from this organization. He was not given much information about it. He has a white belt with a black stripe through the middle of it with multicolored tape for stripes on the end of it...??? I've never heard of such a rank. Anyone know of this organization or have a link to it's website? James Morgan, Head Instructor Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy Lewisburg, WV gtkda@intelos.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] USTF To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:16:11 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Does anyone have any knowledge of another USTF other than the United States > Taekwon-Do Federation, which is the US governing body of the > ITF(International Taekwon-Do Federation) founded by Gen. Choi? Maybe like > around the Missourri part of the MidWest? There is another USTF (United States Taekwondo Federation) out of Hot Springs, Arkansas that is under the GTF (Global Taekwondo Federation). This USTF is headed by Scott McNeely, 7th Dan. I do believe that they have a handful of affiliated schools in Missouri. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:32:32 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] US Open info Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding, from the USTU... Day three of competition brought five medals, three gold's at the U.S. Open in Orlando, Fla. The USA Gold Medalists include Lightweight Nia Nicole Abdallah - Gold Antony Graf - Men's Lightweight - Gold James Villasana Men's Middleweight - Gold Other U.S. Medalists are: Kelly Park Women's Light, Silver Jason Mc Euin Men's Middle Bronze Results: Women's Light Nia Nicole Abdallah Gold USA Kelly Park Silver USA Charmie Sobers Bronze NED Eun Kyeong Lee Bronze KOR Women,s Middle Sarah Stevenson Gold UK Rebecca Quijas Silver MEX Dayna Ryan Bronze CAN Dayana Guzman Bronze VEN Men's Light Antony Graf Gold USA Tommy Mollet Silver NED Park Nam Seok Bronze KOR Luis Fredes Bronze Chile Men's Middle James Villasana Gold USA Yumin Zhang Silver CHN Kim Min Soo Bronze KOR Jason McEuin Bronze USA Two more Gold medals for the Americans at the final day of the U.S. Open Taekwondo Championships in Orlando, Fla. Today was the last day of competition for the 33 countries that came to Orlando, Florida. The U.S. female welterweight winner, Simona Hradil of Dallas Texas won gold against Jane Lee also from the U.S. 6 to 3. The male division welterweight winner was Josh Coleman of Winston Salem NC defeating Jae Woo Kim of Korea 8 to 5 in one of the most entertaining and riveting matches of the tournament. Notables: Heidi Gilbert of Seattle, Wa., came away with the bronze medal in the women's heavyweight division. Info provided by Mayumi Pejo Spence, vice chair tournament comittee... --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:03:03 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Duck - Hapkidoists spitting into wind !!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Tomlinson, >Far be it from me to get anything started on here!! But I will say that >99%of the people that supposedly have lineage from different Hapkido >venues,,or call themselves "contemporaries" or actually seniors to Doju Nim >Ji's Hapkido strangely enough show up in his Dan records from decades ago,, >I think that if he ever made his Dan records publically known it would blow >the minds of many martial artists around the country.< As far as I know - GM Ji's "influence" is not in question. Furthermore, if GM Ji saw fit to reward someone with (high)rank, why should it be necessary to attempt to detract from the recognition HE has already given them, by questioning their subsequent accomplishments/assertions? Do you think the Masters you have in mind do not have a side to their story, or were you questioning GM Ji's judgement(rhetorical)? IMO it does Hapkido no good to push in this direction. Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:38:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Opening the records Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All I can say about Bruce Sims post on opening the records is Amen Brother I agree with you 100% on that post. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:53:41 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean Masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > e.g. JI Han-jae recently mentioned that he fairly recently returned to > Seoul & Korea after being gone for ~25 years. He could not believe how > much things had changed. Seoul is now a very large and very modern city. Correcting myself. That should have read "after being gone for ~15 years". Sorry... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "S. H. WEE" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] HKD vs. silat ? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:07:25 +0800 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not at all Ray. Silat is a generic term for Malay martial arts which are as diverse as Malaysian food (From Chinese influenced to Indian-influenced). Each style fight differently and it would be impossible for me to be familiar to all of them. So I will only concentrate on the ground-based, leg sweeping variety that you guy are familiar with. (Disclaimer: I am no expert and purely speak from my own experience, so don't sue me if you get killed fighting a silat man using my advice..:-)) IMVHO, some version of Silat resemble Hapkido quite closely. Except that they do not have as many techniques as Hapkido, which much stiffer action and less grace...- ). However, they all have one common strength - flows, all their techniques are tightly integrated, or in another word, during combat, they can switch from strikings to joint-lockings and ground-fighting seamlessly as they move into closer range. I am not saying that Hapkido doesn't has flow, I have seen Hapkido masters that fight with more flow and fluidity than Silat gurus. But for typical average Hapkido man, you learned X techniques against punch, Y techniques against kicks etc and by the time you reach first dan, you've probbably learned not less than 100 techniques. Unfortunately, he doesn't spend enough time to master each technique and to link all these techniques together. So when you fight with Silat guy standing toe to toe, you are dead meat. And in lower dan Hapkido syllabus, there is no "Defense against kicks and punches launched from the ground". Hapkido groundfightings? Unless you spent as much time as the Brazillian Jujitsu guy practising groundfighting, you will be in trouble. So how do you fight them? Well, from my limited experience, flow will be the most important attribute. You will have to flow between various mode of attackes e. g. : Strikings, joint-lockings, throwings etc seamlessly. Use rapid, multiple strikes a la FMA style to distract or set up your attacks. WTF-style footwork works wonder, too. Most Silat guys are not accustomed to attacks launched from six feets away. In short, you have to control the fight and force them to fight your way. Once you make contact, do not give them chance to recover until they are neutralised. To do that, you will have to master the basics. Focus on timing, power, accuracy and flow. Plus lots of realistic full-contact sparrings ( put on your protective gears if you have to, but remove your forearm and shin guards-the pain will teach you to deflect the blows more effectively). Thats my $0.02 worth of opinion. Now let us hear from the good masters from this list. S. H. WEE shinhoe@pc.jaring.my > Hope you don't mind if I put you 'on the spot' here, but you are likely > to have a very interesting perspective on this. > > Given you are actively training in Hapkido and that you are, or have, > trained in Silat, how do you see these two arts 'interacting'? By that > I mean as a Hapkido man how would you fight a Silat man? -And- as a Silat > man, how would you fight a Hapkido man? (Assuming, of course, you had no > other option available like running away or just giving them your wallet or > [insert any other options you can think of here]). > > ??? > > Ray Terry > raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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