Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #118 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Black Belt, old issue (Nick Oosting) 4. Getting Tossed Out Of Organizations (Dave Weller) 5. Re: Bowing (Bruce Sims) 6. Re: Black Belt, old issue (Laurie S.) 7. Re: only two IHFs ? (jsegovia@mindspring.com) 8. Re: shoes and stuff (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. RE: The_Dojang digest, Black Belt, old issue (Prince Loeffler) 10. Comfort Women (Ray Terry) 11. dissertation collection (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Piotr Bernat To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:06:19 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: IHF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Are there just two IHFs or are there more? There is Myong Jae Nam's and > Bong Soo Han's. Any others? How about GM Cho, Won Sang`s IHF based in Korea? I got two nice videotapes from this group. And I believe GM J. Benko also has his IHF as well. Best regards -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:00:55 -0600 From: judy Organization: ACS To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Black Belt, old issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Think I'll jump in on this one as it has happened multiple times in our dojang. When a student of any rank wants to work out with us, our master "allows" them to retain their current rank till they are ready to test into our system. This makes life interesting at times. We have had many "black belts" from different styles come in, and per the above they are allowed to wear their rank as they "earned" it in their other style. But.... they are NOT allowed to run class!!! It is a disservice to the other students and to the "black belt" to put them in that position. Does it mean that they are not treated as a "black belt" (bowing and such) - NO, they earned the rank and it is respected as such by all. We too still do the Chang-hon patterns, so most WTF style black belts do not know them, that doesn't mean that they didn't earn their rank in their style, it just means that they are not a black belt in our style. Therefore - even tho they wear their black belt, they work out with the lower ranks till they have learned our techniques and forms, then and only then are they allowed to lead a group in class. Most have no problem with this, and over time learn our material. They then normally test for the same or next higher dan ranking with us if they wish to continue working out with us. Some choose to test into our system at 1st gup, then advance with the class to 1st dan from there. I am currently cross-training in another TKD style, my instructor their is doing it basically the same way. He allows me to retain my rank (even though I wanted to come in as a white belt), but I work out with the group that is at the level I am at. This allows me to learn the new material, be useful in ways I can, but still acknowledges the belt I earned elsewhere. I call it the best of all worlds. Just my two cents Judy Barnett 1st Dan, American NamSeo Kwan TKD --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:00:32 -0500 From: "Nick Oosting" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Black Belt, old issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Keep in mind that she just switched schools. Maybe her school practices different colored belt forms than your school does. I certainly don't know Chung Ji Hyung. The same goes for the drills and techniques. If she truly does deserve to wear the black belt, I expect that she will be able to pick up the new stuff pretty quickly but don't expect it to happen overnight. And as far as you and other students teaching her, look at it as an opportunity. You can learn just as much (if not more) from teaching someone as from someone teaching you. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:11:44 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting Tossed Out Of Organizations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dr. Hackworth wrote: From: "Richard Hackworth" Actually getting tossed out of an organization is not that uncommon. Many organizations will not allow convicted felons to belong to their organization. So if for some reason an instructor gets convicted of a crime, and it does happen, they are "tossed out". For example. A TKD instructor in Woodbridge Virginia was convicted of molesting a young boy and the Shotokan organization that he belonged to "tossed him out". Richard Hackworth ************************* I hear your argument, but I still have trouble beliving that such incidents are common enough to use as justification for not publishing Dan records. It sounds like an "excuse" to me. I get a real funny feeling when folks are so protective of such information... it's not like it's a trade secret or that knowing who is ranked in an organization will dilute their teachings. All the information would do would sort out the "real" from the "posers"... Something, I guess, many are fearful of. And a TKD guy who uses a Shotokan organization is fishy anyhow. Notwithstanding the fact that he could easily look in the back of BB Magazine or TKD times and buy himself a new "certification" and be back up and running in no time at all .... 'nother pennies worth dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:04:15 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Pitt: ".....I don't know if I was the only one (I think not) who resented the fact that she propped herself in front of the class after training and we were (still are) required to bow to her and "thank her." ....." Bear in mind that what you are about to read is coming from a KMA moderate-to-conservative, 'kay? I hold that when you bow you are not bowing to the individual and their judged position in the community. What I teach my students is that one bows to express a level of universal respect for that person as a fellow human being and traveler on this planet. Perhaps it makes it easier to say that a bow expresses "thanks"--- a sort of quid-pro-quo of courtesy. Maybe its easier for some to say that it is a sign of deference to the rank of someone whose status is greater than our own. For me, when I bow, the message is something like as follows-- "Nice to see you here. This is a pretty exclusive way of learning about ourselves, Isn't it? I know you could be doing a lot of other things right now, but you made the free choice to come here and work on your individual issues. Whats even better is that you chose to give me a hand with mine, and I plan on doing the same for you. What happens (or has happened) during class, its not a personal thing between us. For the next period we will use each other to learn more about ourselves, move deeper into the warrior belief system, or come out of the best part of ourselves and whatever else our goals are. Good Luck." Just a thought, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:43:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Black Belt, old issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net F Pitt wrote: <<<>>> Hiya, Most instructors I know would start anyone, regardless of rank, at white belt when they came to their school. I was in Tang Soo Do, and I got to 5th gup. Then I moved and joined a TKD school. My new instructor started me at white belt. But then he clearly saw that I had experience, so he is advancing me faster (as fast as I can learn the TKD forms and almost perfect them). I'm going for my green belt already at the end of the month and I've only been here for three months (one rank a month). I'm not trying to rub it in or anything, but if she had any experience, your instructor would advance her fast like this. He also should have started her at white belt, then advanced her to make sure she knew what she said she knew. There's people that "say" they know something when they sign up, but they really don't (yes, I've seen it lol). Does she have cert.'s to prove it? Dizzy Yellow belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:48:10 -0500 From: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: only two IHFs ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sun Mu Kwan-USA wrote: > Well I'm not sure on the numbers but there was another > IHF organization in Korea but I forgot the guys name. This is from memory but I think you're talking about GM Cho WonSang. His group put out an excellent big green book on their Hapkido progam from white to black belt, as well as a two video set that's very, very good. The most recent book I've seen from his organization seems to indicate he's changed the name of his organization or art to Ho Shin Sul (which means the joint locking or throwing parts of Hapkido); I get the impression he's branching off from the mainstream Hapkido schools. Does anyone know for certain? Jesse --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:51:50 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: shoes and stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> thanks for the good word, chris :). btw, y'know the MYDBTJ hardback you bought? it was the copy i was saving for myself. i thought certain i'd be able to get another one, but the hardbacks really are out of print...lol. enjoy, my friend :) the disciplines really are great shoes. billy threadgood, the owner of discipline footwear is a great guy and an awesome shoe designer. when someone on the list mentioned DF a long time ago, when chajonshim was just starting out, i checked them out immediately. quality company, quality product, quality price. i've had several folks take me up on the discount offer and i want to say thanks for trusting your business to us. some folks always think there's gotta be a catch when businesses throw a discount offer at them. there is none. my spouse thinks i'm insane and i often have to answer for some discounts that i give. regardless, i got into this business because i was tired of paying out the wazoo for my own gear. i dont see anything wrong with passing that idea along to my friends and associates. we have a real simple policy on discounts: if you ask for one, we give you one...lol. thanks again, list members. and thanks, ray, for your support. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Prince Loeffler" To: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:04:06 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The_Dojang digest, Black Belt, old issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>>>> - I don't know the chung ji Hyung either...I would assume you meant "chong Ji" Patterns. <<>>>>. For a student to resent the fact that their instructor propped in front of your class shows you have more to work on their Ego. Regardless of what rank she may really be you still need to respect her. I bow to everyone in my class regardless of rank...It is a show of mutual respect and courtesy. <<>>. Unfortunately, These qualities are not ALL what makes a good instructors. There is so much more than just being able to Kick well and punch well. <<<<>>>> The instructor made a bad judgment call....You cannot disprespect your intructor because he showed a human side of himself. Unless your instructor has somehwere written down that claims he is "god". <<<<<>>>>> - Way too much ! Learn for yourself first before learning to judge others ! Then again this is only one side of the story... --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:10:57 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Comfort Women Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: 'Comfort Woman' to Speak on Japan's Sexual Slavery By Soh Ji-young Staff Reporter A former "comfort woman" who was forced into sexual slavery by Japanese troops during World War II, will leave for the U.S. today to testify to university students there on her tragic experiences. Choi Kap-soon, 84, will visit four universities in the central U.S. region during the next two weeks to meet with American students. Starting with Northwestern University on March 4, she will visit the University of Wisconsin on March 6, Ohio State University on March 8 and the University of Michigan on Mar. 11. The tour is jointly organized by the Korea Council for Women Drafted for Military Sexual Slavery by Japan and the Washington Coalition for the Comfort Women Issue. Choi was just 15 when she was dragged off to China by the Japanese military, and served as a sex slave for 12 years until Korea's liberation from Japan in 1945. Besides Choi's testimony, an English video titled, "Stories Are Still Going on", will be screened to the students to explain the sexual slavery issue and the activities of the Korean Council. A similar program was organized last year, when Hwang Geum-joo, another South Korean comfort woman, spoke at Harvard, Cornell, Princeton, Yale and Georgetown University to heighten U.S. awareness of Japan's wartime crimes. Approximately 200,000 women, 80 percent of whom were Koreans, were forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese Imperial Army during World War II, but the Japanese government has yet to offer an apology or compensation to the victims. jysoh@koreatimes.co.kr 2002/02/28 17:34 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:52:01 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] dissertation collection Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Of possible interest to the scholars... Forwarded message: I am responding to Brother Anthony's inquiry of February 28th in which he wrote in part as follows: "I would be very grateful for any helpful comments on the current and prospective future international use of the "new" romanization system, having recently become involved with helping prepare a book in English designed for overseas use which writes all the names of 20th-century Korean writers in the new way. Should I be preparing to publish volumes of work by Go Eun rather than Ko Un?" In December 2000 I began a four-year long project to prepare a comprehensive if not exhaustive, descriptively annotated, multidisciplinary, classified, cross-referenced, and extensively indexed, multivolume bibliography and related electronic database of an estimated 9,500-10,500 Western-language dissertations that deal either in their entirety or just in part with Korea and with Korean emigrants and students around the world. [Some 9,100 dissertations have already been identified.] It encompasses studies not only in the humanities, the social and behavioral sciences, and education but also in the natural sciences, engineering, architecture, law and medicine that have been accepted by close to seven hundred institutions of higher learning throughout Australia, Brazil, Canada, East Asia, Europe (including Russia and the Ukraine), South Africa, South Asia, and the United States. In citing the authors and the dissertation titles within the individual bibliograpical entries that I am preparing, I am adhering, of course, to the international bibiographical convention of transcribing the names of all of the dissertation authors (the majority of whom are Koreans) and all Korean proper names and terms that appear within their dissertation titles exactly as they are written on their respective thesis title pages. At the same time, I currently anticipate using BOTH the McCune-Reischauer and the "new" Korean romanization systems in my translations of German, French, Russian and other European-language dissertation titles into English, in my descriptive annotations, and in the subject index. In addition, to a still undetermined extent, the author index will contain cross-references from variant spellings occasioned by the multiplicity of systems used for transliterating Korean. As in the case of my reference work "Doctoral Dissertations on China and on Inner Asia, 1976-1990: An Annotated Bibliography of Studies in Western Languages" (Westport, Conn., and London: Greenwood Press, 1998. xxviii, 1055p.), where I used both Wade-Giles and Pinyin, I will consistently use either McCune-Reischauer or the "new" romanization system as the romanization system of "choice" and insert the appropriate transliterations for the other system in brackets. I have not yet determined which system will receive priority and, like Brother Anthony, would very much welcome the comments and advice of researchers, students and librarians in the field of Korean Studies. Frank Joseph Shulman Bibiographer, Editor and Consultant for Reference Publications in Asian Studies 9225 Limestone Place College Park, Maryland 20740-3943 USA E-mail: fs9@umail.umd.edu Fax: 301-935-5614 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest