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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: Sword Question (Sun Mu Kwan-USA)
   2. RE: Hankido (Sun Mu Kwan-USA)
   3. Different TKD styles' different forms (Grant D. Watson)
   4. West Seminar (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com)
   5. Hapkido and Practice! (Hapkido Self Defense Center)
   6. Question to post (Tyranmarla@aol.com)
   7. Rank Belts (CKCtaekwon@cs.com)
   8. What's up in Jackson MS. (JG Dean Sr.)
   9. SEAAU TKD update (Charles Richards)
  10. Sword Cleaning (Charles Richards)
  11. Weapons Defense Seminar in Burlington, MA (Meghan Gardner)
  12. RE: More Lineage stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov)
  13. 16th International HapKiDo Seminar (kevin_janisse)
  14. Hapkido Needs. (Patrick L)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:52:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA <hankido2000@yahoo.com>
To: Dojang digest <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sword Question
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<I know nothing about sword training, but I'm
curious:  Wouldn't how to 
clean
your sword be a normal part of your training?>>

Yes, I always had others do it for me. I was too lazy
to learn and now their not around anymore so now I
have to fend for myself.



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:57:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA <hankido2000@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hankido
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Bruce<<BTW: I liked your presentation on HANKIDO. How
do you want to be listed 
under GM Myong. Currently I have Rick Nabors listed
under GM Myong with 
a mention of Sin Mu Hapkido. If you have trained
solely under GM Myong 
that simplifies things. If you trained under one of GM
Myongs' students 
it would be helpful to have that information as
well.>>

Well I first started my hapkido training under Master
Hoon Shin of New Hope, MN. Then I trained under
several of GM Myong's students. These days, I train
with GM Myong's nephew here in LA. Hope that helps.


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:58:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "Grant D. Watson" <grant_watson@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Different TKD styles' different forms
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

> > Status: RO
> > 
> > Ray Terry,
> > 
> > That was "Chon Ji" (spelling error on my part). So
> you're saying Tae Kwon Do utilizes different
> techniques and forms depending on what
> country/state/city?? they're from? I may be ignorant
> to the history then, but all the material I've read
> have been fairly identical as to what is practiced
> in the art. I will ask her about Koryo. Thank for
> the comment.
> > 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I wasn't clear.  My fault.  Those froms are
> seldom used in Korea.
> That was all I meant.
Perhaps the OP would like to visit
http://ryanshroyer.tripod.com/?  It's a wonderful
site, with information about all sorts of different
forms, and might answer a lot of questions.


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Message: 4
From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:43:09 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] West Seminar
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

A very big thank you to Master West for providing an excellent Hapkido 
seminar.  Great instructors, variety, and new friends made it an occasion to 
remember.  I look forward to attending again.

Sharon

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Message: 5
From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" <hkd@fuse.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:25:01 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido and Practice!
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

It was great to be a part of the recent 16th International Hapkido Seminar
in Jackson this past weekend. I had the pleasure of meeting everyone from
this group who attended. I am an instructor with the USKMAF and I have
taught at this seminar since I joined the USKMAF many years ago, but this is
not why I enjoy it so much.  The reason I enjoy these seminars is the same
reason Master West is my teacher. I enjoy hapkido practice. This is just my
opinion - but I don't care who studied with who and I don't care what
political organization you belong to. Further more, I really do not want to
hear about it. I only care what happens on the mat. What is important is the
quality of YOUR basic motion and technique. These days it is amazing to see
the number of hapkido instructors who simply do not have much time on the
mats and subsequently have limited basic motion. I have seen many who out
rank me in paper, yet they got there rank through methods other than their
technique. During these seminars it is time to walk the talk! That I enjoy.
I hope everyone had a safe trip home... Jere R. Hilland
www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul

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Message: 6
From: Tyranmarla@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:29:53 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Question to post
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

I am a 9th gup orange belt getting ready to take my next rank test, hopefully 
to 8th gup yellow belt.

Here is my dilemma:

Every black belt teaches different and sometimes I get very confused. I have 
tried to talk to the black belts about this and the only answer is that as 
long as I complete the forms correctly, understand the meaning, etc., 
everything is all right. I have talked to my Grandmaster, and his son, the 
Master and was told some students just do not know how to teach, and others 
get very frustrated when they cannot get a student to understand. They have 
assured me that they will be more observant and correct these errors. My 
problem is that I find myself getting very offended by some of the blackbelts 
when they help me. Most of them are rude, arrogant, and down right mean. I am 
trying the best I can. I attend class 3x weekly, practice at home, and record 
my progress. What else can I do? Grandmaster is a wonderful teacher and I 
know that he can't teach everyday, but sometimes I feel lost. I really feel 
bad because he announced that he will soon retire in 2007. I want to teach 
the art one day, but I am just can't get along with some of the black belts 
and their superior attitude and mean behavior. Any suggestions?

Thanks    

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Message: 7
From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:31:54 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank Belts
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hi everyone, been awhile since I've posted.  Anyway, I am wondering which 
rank belts everyone uses/prefers. I don't like Century as they won't stay 
tied, so switched to IKON, but they are way too stiff. What is everyone out 
there using? 

Gary Pieratt
Castroville Karate Club
www.askarate.com

Have a Great Day!

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Message: 8
From: "JG Dean Sr." <isaiah4031@ev1.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:01:57 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] What's up in Jackson MS.
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dateline March 4 2002

What's up in Jackson MS???????????????????

For those who where in Jackson for the 16th International Hapkido Seminar at
West's Hapkido Academy it was a weekend filled with learning and fun.

Fom the opening sessions on Friday to the closing and saying goodbye on Sunday
not a moment lasted long enough.  I savored every minute as I met
people from different styles and from around the world.  I must also echo Mr.
Richards as to the quality of all of the instructors.  All where open and
willing
to share the knowledge and experience.  They also freely answered questions
between sessions.

Master JR West set the tone fore the weekend as Dan level and gup level
martial artist of differing styles mixed and mingled while working together as
training
partners.  Each session brought new partners and new experiences as we grew in
our knowledge and training.  Being a 7th gup I was thrilled that Dan level
attendees willing worked with me as thier partner.

The weekend was long and physically and mentally challenging for those of us
who started on Friday afternoon and stayed untill the closing on Sunday.
It did not seem long enough as we were saying goodbye (or See Y'all later -
that's Texan for goodbye) to new friends and old friends.  I hope that Master
West continues these seminars for a long time to come.  He and his students
went out of thier way to make all of us feel welcome and to help us find our
way around town.

So - for those of you missed this weekend -- Y'all missed it.  For those of
you who did not miss it - I hope to see Y'all next year.


Tang Soo

jeffery sr.

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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:59:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
To: Dojang Digest <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: [The_Dojang] SEAAU TKD update
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<snip>>
May 18, 2002
Southeastern AAU Champ. 
Nashville, TN 
Contact Kim Cerami 
4004 Hillsboro Pike 
Suite B250
Nashville, TN  37215
615 383-4900
info@successtkd.com
<<end snip>>

correction
Master Cerami has moved the SEAAU Champ to Lebanon, TN
and May 4, 2002

see www.seaau-tkd.com (I think) or just call Master Cerami
see yall in TN

Yours in Jung Do,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TSD
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:08:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Charles Richards <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
To: Dojang Digest <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword Cleaning
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<snip>>
Oil blade with the high-grade oil supplied in kit and sheath. 
<<end snip>>

My research (p14 The Art of Japanese Swordsmanship by Nicklaus Suino,
ISBN 0-8348-0300-3)suggests Clove oil was used by our ancestors.  I've
tried it and it works well.  It's available from most Herb shops or
place that sell aromatherapy carry it.

Old baby onsies, or cloth diappers are good for cleaning your sword or
guitar :-)

Cheers,

Charles R.
Moja Kwan
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Message: 11
From: "Meghan Gardner" <guard.up@verizon.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:28:29 -0500
Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Defense Seminar in Burlington, MA
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

On Sunday, March 24th, from 10AM-5PM Guard Up of Burlington, MA will be
hosting a full Weapons Defense Course.  The cost will be only $75/person
($85/person after March 10th) for 7 hours of training.

Itinerary:

10-10:30AM:  Introduction to Self Defense Law (what is legal to carry, when
are you liable for "brandishing a weapon", Tueller and Magliatto court
cases, Disparity of Force, etc.)

10:30-11Am:  Getting Offline.  How the concept works and drills to
incorporate it.

11:00AM-11:30AM:  Magic Marker knife attacks.  (Wear a light colored shirt
you won't mind getting marked up).

11:30AM-12:30PM:  How to defend against a knife.  Move/Pass, check/hit.

12:30PM-1:00PM:  How to use a knife in your defense.  Grip, stance,
deployment, Low line and high line attacks.

1PM-1:30PM:  Working Lunch.  Post confrontation procedure.  What to say and
not to say to the police after you have defended yourself.  How to protect
yourself from criminal charges and civil suits.

1:30-2:30PM:  How to defend against a gun.  Moving, Panning and Stripping.

2:30-3:00PM:  How to use a gun.  How to hold it and what to do if someone
tries to grab it from you.

3:00PM-4:00PM:  Sticks/Clubs/Broken Bottles/Swords.  Common concepts.  How
to use them and how to defend against them.

4:00PM-5:00PM:  Review

For directions to our facility, visit our website www.guardup.com and click
on "Directions" on the top menu. To register, call 781.270.4800.  We accept
visa/mc.


Meghan Gardner
Executive Director
Guard Up, Inc.
www.guardup.com
781.270.4800

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Message: 12
From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:54:37 -0600 
Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: More Lineage stuff
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dear Julian: 

"......We would like to extend a sincere invitation to you to
attend our annual HKD Retreat in exotic Malaysia....." 

Thank you for your very kind invitation. As you know, we have enjoyed quite
an exchange back and forth off-line so I was thinking that perhaps other
folks on the DD Net would like a clearer picture about where your
organization fits into the family of Hapkido arts. 
Having read the brief history on the URL you recommended perhaps I can
summarize...

With the division of the KHA into two parts in 1990 -- the KHF under GM Oh,
See Lim and the KHA under GM Hwang, Duk Kyu your affiliation is with the KHA
and GM Hwang, right?  The history indicates that you originally trained in
Sung Mu Kwan (AKA "Sang Mu Kwan") which is the title usually ascribed to GM
Ji-s' earlier commercial venture. You now teach a modified SMK Hapkido style
and also have developed your own Hapkido art known as Yung Do Kwan. If I
have this right, then your line would look something like 

GM Choi.....GM Ji.... GM Hwang.... GM Lim.....

  and your Hapkido style gives students an option of learning either Sang Mu
Kwan or your own art of Yong Do Kwan. Julian, I hope I have this right, and
warmly invite you to correct and adjust as necessary. I know as I write this
that there is groaning at many a computer table. However, I think that our
Hapkido family is better served when we all know each other for our place in
the family. 

BTW: I am getting mixed messages regarding both GM Oh and GM Hwang.  I
understand that GM Hwang was a student of GM Ji, but have heard that GM Oh
was a student of GM Chois' along with GM Ji (Ref: Dr. Kimm) while I heard
recently through an off-line contribution that GM Oh was actually a student
of GM Ji as well.  Julian?  Anybody? 

Best Wishes, 

Bruce 

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Message: 13
From: "kevin_janisse" <kevin_janisse@netzero.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:48:02 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] 16th International HapKiDo Seminar
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hello to all,
Just returned with Master Timmerman from Jackson, MS.  For those who missed
it, "you missed a great time".  Outside of teaching and learning some great
stuff, I came back with a list of new friends (too many to list) which made
the trip incredible for me.
I congratulate Master West on the incredible atmosphere created.  Over 250
Masters, Black belts, and colored belts gathered together to teach, learn, and
quite simply have a great time.  I personally want to thank all those who came
and especially those who spent time with us.  I even had the privilege of
watching Master Ray Terry (who?) experience "Heavy Hand" technique, as he
softly plowed through a 2" thick concrete block, with us in the parking lot.
I truly look forward to next year, and quite possibly this summer.

"Master Terry" - If the DD picture you took did not turn out let me know and I
will e-mail you what I have.

Sincerely,
Kevin M. Janisse

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Message: 14
From: "Patrick L" <musashi1953@hotmail.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:08:58 -0800
Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Needs.
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Dear Mr. Burdick,

>I think Patrick is wrong here, because no art is so complete it can't learn 
>from others.
I know that my practice in TKD has helped me in at least one way - an
awareness of range.<

My comment was made in response to the query why so many TKDers try to learn 
some HKD.  Your assurance that all MAs MIGHT learn from each other is not 
outside the scope of my statement.  Since your point is so FAR from 
demonstrating me wrong however that I question perhaps you have more 
thoughts that you did not relate.

Your insight on an awareness of range is a good one.  And since sparring can 
more closely resemble a real fight, I agree it is a worthy past time.  We 
have always sparred in my Hapkido, so I have never HAD to go outside for 
this experience.  But given the value both you and I attribute to sparring - 
how does that explain the hunger TKDers have for HKD, which I was 
addressing?

Getting in the WAY,

Patrick





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