Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:20:23 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #127 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Re: Organizations and Accountability (Ray Terry) 3. A Plug for Sang Moo Sa (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. Re: Grace under fire. (Bruce Sims) 5. Festivals (Ray Terry) 6. Korean War POW (Ray Terry) 7. Re: And now for an alternate point of view.... (Bruce Sims) 8. Re: Undesireable elements (Bruce Sims) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:58:51 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] nasty bb's Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net << I want to teach the art one day, but I am just can't get along with some of the black belts and their superior attitude and mean behavior. Any suggestions? >> No matter where you train, you may encounter a 'martial artist' (and I use the term very loosely) who acts like an @$$. I find it hard to believe, however, that ALL the Black Belts in your school are mean and rude to you. I am an extremely patient person, BUT there have been several occasions where I have basically told the person if they "were going to continuously challenge my teaching, then they could find someone else to work with." Is possible that you are not coming across as a respectful pupil? Nothing comes across more pretentiously than a junior student exclaiming, "BUT THE OTHER INSTRUCTOR SAID IT WENT LIKE THIS..." There is more than one way to cook a chicken and certainly more than one way to teach a lesson. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Organizations and Accountability To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 6:56:40 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > As I was reading your post I was also thinking back to the Great Depression > and how the government held-back intervention in the financial collapse in > the mistaken belief that the economy would be "self-righting". Yet perhaps it would have. We'll never know, save the fact that it was WWII that really brought us out of the Great Depression. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:53:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] A Plug for Sang Moo Sa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Another instructor mentioned belts and that he went to Sang Moo Sa for the dan belts. I would have to agree. Sang Moo Sa does a superior job on the embroidery. In the past I have used AWMA and Choi Brothers, among others, but none did as good a job. Sang Moo Sa also is willing to do Korean, Chinese, English, or Japanese embroidery, which again puts them ahead of the game. For the gup belts, I would wait until AWMA or Century has a sale and pick them up in bulk. By the way, SMS also has the best leather focus pads for kicking (the kidney-shaped ones). Buy the single pads (not the clappers) and they will last forever. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick, Ph.D. Associate Director Teaching Resources Center Indiana University at Bloomington Ballantine Hall 132 Bloomington, IN 47405 email: burdickd@indiana.edu www: http://php.indiana.edu/~burdickd phone: (812) 855-6869 fax: (812) 855-6410 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:04:15 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Grace under fire. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: In the brotherhood of Hapkido practitioners both you and Jere are very much my seniors so it would not be seemly to pretend to critque your deportment on the mat. I would like to offer a couple of comments about my own deportment as it compares to Jere, though, and perhaps this might be of some help to DD readers who are not that familiar with Hapkido biomechanics. My heritage in Hapkido traces through GM Myung to GM Ji. On the mat, my technique tends to very tight and authoritative. By this I don't mean that it is particularly economical but is most definitely using pain-compliance, speed and leverage or muscle to get the job down. Some would say that GM Myungs' technique is very "judo" or "jiu-jutsu"-like. I don't know that anyone would characterize my motion as "graceful". By comparison, I have seen Aikido practitioners who are very graceful but whose motions are so large as to render the combat effectiveness of the art untenable. Watching Jere on the mat seems to be a fine balance of the two. While his motions seem to be larger--- more Aikido-like--- he maintains the authority of his technique by targeting very specific angles of attack. Also I find that the relatively larger motions of the body allow him to incorporate more of his body mass into the technique. I by comparison, use relatively more shoulder than hip in my techniques and continue to challenge this short-coming on a daily basis. (You should hear my sword teacher flail at me!! :-) ). I am not advocating that we Hapkido practitioners become dancers, just that well-executed techniques use a fuller and smoother incorporation of the entire body. I honestly think this is a place where the Chinese influence on the Korean arts could truely add quite a bit to the arts. I don't know anybody who would honestly enjoy training in those long, low stances (IE. Kuk Sool). However, they DO force one to consciously incorporate the hips and give them equal standing with the shoulders in the execution of the technique. To my way of thinking, this is a very important aspect of technique and one that is routinely given short shrift. As to the age thing, Rudy--- well, I'm sorry. I can't help you there. My personal goal is to continue to get out on the mat until the creaks from my joints make it impossible for people to hear whats being said. :-) . Against that time I have begun to carry a can of WD-40 in my training bag. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 8:47:32 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Festivals Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 29 Festivals Chosen for Government Support March 6, 2002 The Ministry of Culture and Tourism has announced the final list of 29 local and regional festivals for which the ministry will be providing assistance in the years to come. The ministry's annual festival support program is designed to offer various forms of assistance, including financial support ranging from 30 million won (about $25,000) to 100 million won ($80,000) per festival. The most important consideration in the selection is the potential for marketability in terms of tourism. Among the 29 selected festivals are the Andong International Mask Dance Festival, the Gangjin Celadon Cultural Festival and the Geumsan Ginseng Festival, which were all chosen as this year's best festivals. These festivals received high marks from experts for their strong potential to export themes of a uniquely Korean character around the world. Twenty-three festivals, such as the Yeongdeung Festival on Jin-do Island and the Daejeon Science Festival, were again designated as recipients of the ministry's assistance, while three festivals, including the World Taekwondo Cultural Festival, have been newly added. The new festivals were recognized for stimulating regional economies by drawing a large number of visitors and promoting local specialty products. The selected festivals will also be receiving support for package tour programs that link nearby tourist attractions in cooperation with local travel agencies. The ministry believes that this is the right time to internationalize regional festivals, particularly since Korea will be hosting such major international events as the 2002 FIFA World Cup soccer finals and the Asian Games. The ministry plans to step up its efforts to publicize the festivals abroad through its overseas network of the Korean National Tourism Organization (KNTO) and Arirang TV, the English-language channel. The ministry released some background figures after reviewing the performances of the 30 regional cultural festivals that were supported by the government this year. According to the release, these festivals attracted a total of 13.25 million visitors, including 140,000 foreign visitors. They also contributed some 441.8 billion won ($34 million) to the regional economies through sales of local specialties and revenues from lodging houses and restaurants. For example, export contracts worth $238 million were concluded at the Geumsan Ginseng Festival, at the same time which a ginseng trade exhibition was held. The ministry will continue to support these regional festivals with the aim of attracting more visitors and adding more audience participation programs as well as improving lodging facilities in remote farming and fishing villages. * * * These are the Cultural Festivals scheduled for the first half of 2002: Korean Bullfighting Festival in Chongdo (March 16-20): National bullfighting tournament; Korea-Japan goodwill bullfighting match; Korean bull rodeo contest; bull fighting photography contest and exhibition, heifer beauty contest and traditional cattle market. Korean Traditional Drink and Cake Festival (March 30-April 5): Demonstration and tasting of traditional alcoholic beverages and rice cakes; exhibition of beverages and rice cakes, their manufacturing paraphernalia and old documents related to the practice; traditional Chinese and Japanese food exhibition; traditional music performance; rice cake slicing contest; and "Make-it-yourself rice cake." Wang In Culture Festival in Youngam (April 6-9): A drama performance based on the life-story of Dr. Wang In, an eminent scholar of the Baekje Kingdom; Chinese-text translating contest; reenactment of Dr. Wang In's travels to Japan; Wang In look-alike contest; exhibition of Japan's "Asuka culture;" and folk games of the Baekje Kingdom period. Gijang-Daebyon Anchovy Festival (April): Anchovy drying competition, anchovy sampling party and other fishing tour programs. Jin-do Yeongdeung Festival (April 27-29): Rafting; the parting of the sea; a shaman rite to exorcise evil spirits; traditional funeral rites; a circle dance chorus; native Jin-do farmers' songs; parade of ships and a "Jindo-breed" dog show. Hadong Mountain Dew Tea Culture Festival (May): Picking tea leaves; tea-making demonstration; tea ceremonies for children; green tea exhibition and sampling; "best tea of the year" contest and an international seminar on wild tea. Namwon Chunhyang Festival (May 4-8): Memorial service for Chunhyang; costume parade featuring Chunhyang's life-story; performance of the traditional drama "Chunhyang-jon;" love letter writing; archery contest; wooden dish carving contest; Chunhyang beauty contest. Daegu Yangnyongsi Festival (May 7-12): Planting a medicinal herb garden; wild plant exposition; competition on collecting, naming and/or speed-chopping of medicinal plants; samplings of medicinal teas, liquors and rice cake; a free-of-charge oriental medical diagnosis and treatment and lectures; the Yangnyongsi Medicinal Herb Garden will also be showcased. Chuncheon International Mime Festival (May 22-26): Street parade; performances by domestic and foreign theater groups; street performances; goblin plays; and mime workshop. Ramie Fabric Cultural Festival (June 1-6): Ramie daybreak market, exhibition of ramie clothes and traditional Korean clothes; trying on of ramie clothes; ramie fashion show; ramie fashion designs exhibition; and ramie weaving demonstration and class. Cultural festivals scheduled for the second half of 2002: Boryeong Mud Festival (July 20-26): Mud massages; mud pool; mud game contest; and mud body painting contest. Goseong Dinosaur World Festival (Aug. 8-11): Exploration of dinosaur fossil sites; viewing fossils of dinosaur footprints; primitive life exhibition; films featuring the famous dinosaur cartoon character "Dooly;" academic seminars on dinosaurs; and fossil exhibitions. Gangjin Celadon Festival (July 28-Aug. 3): Exhibition of Gangjin's native celadon; tour of celadon-potting sites and folk museum; film screenings; performance of folk songs native to southern areas. Daejeon Science Festival (Aug. 10-19): International Science Exchange Exhibition; science magic show; the Encounter of Science and Cartoons; animal robot contest; making solar strainers; experiencing robotics. Muan Lotus Festival (late August): Joint Buddhist service; traditional drama performances; Buddhist art festival; lotus canvas-sketch contest; walk along a lotus path; straw-rope making contest. Muju Firefly Festival (late August): Prayer festival for fireflies to proliferate (since fireflies can only live in a clean environment, the proliferation of fireflies reflect healthful conditions in the surrounding area); exploration of lightning bugs; release of 'dasulgi,' food for the firefly larva; firefly lectures; ecology photo exhibition; speech contest on environmental protection; drawing and essay contests. Geumsan Ginseng Festival (Sept. 6-15): International ginseng exhibition; ginseng harvesting; performances featuring folk groups from various countries; medicinal herb preparation. Cheongju World Martial Arts Festival (Sept. 27-Oct. 3): Demonstrations of taekwondo and other traditional martial arts, performances featuring martial arts gear and garments, and martial arts movie screening. Andong International Mask Dance Festival (Sept. 27-Oct. 6): International mask dance performance; Andong folk festival; Korean puppet show; mask dance lessons; exhibition of mask dance paintings; mask making; totem pole carving. Yeongdong Nangye Festival (late September-early October): Memorial rites for Park Yon, a Joseon Kingdom musician whose pen name is Nangye; traditional music competition; performance featuring traditional musical instruments; dance performance based on the life of Nangye; traditional classical music concert; other concerts featuring famous traditional musicians. Tongyeong Lacquerware Festival (Sept. 30-Oct. 3): Exhibition of lacquerware products; demonstration of lacquerware manufacturing process and lessons; performances by prominent cultural artisans; seafood sampling; and a marathon race. Gimje Horizon Festival (late September): Walk along the rice paddies; experience traditional rural life; ox-cart carriage ride; scarecrow making; kite flying. Punggi Ginseng Festival (Oct. 2-6): Ginseng harvest; free oriental diagnostic examination; outdoor drama performance on the theme of ginseng; best quality ginseng contest; ginseng culinary contest; train ride. Yangyang Pine Mushroom Festival (early October): Mushroom picking; stay at a pine mushroom farm; selecting Yangyang pine mushrooms; pine mushroom cake making; cooking with pine mushrooms; and sacrificial rites for the mountain gods. Busan Jagalchi Festival (Oct. 18-22): Reenactment of Korean traditional rites; bare-handed fish-catching; eel relay race; foreigners' cooking contest; ferry tours; sushi preparation contest. Gwangju Gimchi Festival (Oct. 23-27): Gimchi-making classes and contest; culinary contest for gimchi dishes; and traditional cultural performances. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 8:51:55 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean War POW Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korean War POW Returns Home After Fleeing NK March 3, 2002 A 70-year-old South Korean man who toiled in a North Korean coal mine after being taken prisoner during the Korean War has escaped from the communist state, the government said Saturday. The man, identified only his last name, Ko, was among seven people who arrived recently in South Korea after defecting from North Korea, the National Intelligence Service said in a news release. Ko was taken prisoner by Chinese troops during the 1950-53 Korean War. Chinese troops fought for North Korea during the war, while American-led U.N. forces supported South Korea in battle. Ko spent most of his life working in a coal mine in northeastern North Korea before fleeing in November, the agency said. Over the years, 26 South Korean POWs have returned home after making an escape from the impoverished North. South Korea believes that the isolated communist country still holds 300 South Korean POWs captured during the war. Pyongyang denies it. The latest defectors brought to 81 the number of North Koreans who have fled to South Korea this year. Last year, 583 North Koreans defected, up from 312 in 2000. The Korean peninsula was divided in 1945. The Korean War ended without a peace treaty, and the border between the Koreas remains sealed. (AP) --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:27:05 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: And now for an alternate point of view.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ramon: ".....One ought to focus on what is practical to this modern world and its legal point but if the Arts in general are a traditional sense of learning it is the reason for why the martial arts have survived through the pass of time in ages ....." Its a pleasure to have you here. I take a little different point of view on this matter of focus. I think there is a great deal of the MA, indeed, even Hapkido arts, which is not practical and at first glance does not pay due respect to our modern world. Perhaps some can say the same of TKD, TSD, TCC and many other arts including all the weapons training. Living and teaching close to the Chicago area I routinely have students who are "friends of somebody who knows somebody" who is taking kick-boxing, BJJ, TUDE etc., or frequent any of a number of backyard classes dedicated to "real combat" or "street-fighting". Of course, you know that means that I will have, almost on a class-by-class basis some college-age student challenging the effectiveness or combat worthiness of what I am teaching. Yesterday I had a student who wanted to know when our Level One (White Belt) class was going to learn ground-fighting techniques and when he could expect to practice some effective chokes he had learned. I worked to explain the parameters of the class as an overview to Hapkido and a window into Korean culture but he was obviously disappointed that he would not be able to use the class as a venue for demonstrating his power and influence over others. Sometimes, in my experience, MA practitioners will perform some stunt to demonstrate that they have mastered their art. It might be a blind-folded sword technique, or maybe some sort of breaking exhibiton. To my way of thinking a better mastery of Hapkido/MA training is demonstrated when someone---- for instance, Rudy---- tells a person that they are not appropriate for MA training in his classes and asks them to go somewhere else. It takes character to stick to ones values and to walk it as one talks it. I don't know that focusing on modern implications of the MA produces this same result, but the old-fashion training, conducted over years not months routinely produced some pretty tough-minded folks. Just my dos peso-s. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:00:12 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Undesireable elements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: "....I too have tossed out some undesireable Black Belts; however, I have never "doctored" my records to try and remove any "blemishes". IMHO, my responsibility is to maintain accurate records AND keep my dojang free from undesireables such as the one you mentioned. Removing from the records anyone who does not fit the "requirements of the moment" seems like white washing to me. On the other hand removing them from my dojang is my duty....." My experience has been a little different. Because I teach a traditional curriculum in a non-traditional manner, most of the students who are there for something other than learning an art tend to drop-out relatively quickly. Sometimes I get approached after class or on the way out to my truck and there is usually a long exchange about what the person thought they were going to be learning (had one last night). I make it clear that this is what I teach and sometimes even make recommendations about where the perplexed student might find what they are looking for. I haven't had any character issues, unless its some hot-dog who decides to show his training partner some nifty trick, counter or embellishment on what we are doing. Thats more of a safety issue, though. I'm not sure where I am with things like a street thug who wants to add to his catalog of mugging techniques or the local barroom antagonist who wants to be able continue to be a public pain-in-the-butt while keeping all his teeth. As I say, most of these guys get bored and leave after a while anyhow. One thing I would add, though. I don't know that expunging records to get rid of undesireables is a good approach. Those records are there to demonstrate a reality for anyone who is interested in facing that reality. I don't think the MA are for everyone and I am not sure that the public is well-served by creating an impression that they are. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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