Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:46:17 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #129 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Grace under fire (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 4. Re: dirty soil (ABurrese@aol.com) 5. Bonsai (for Ray) (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. Re: TO BE OR NOT TO BE - (Prince Loeffler) 7. Master Rudy Timmerman (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 8. Choi, Yong Sool 9th dans (todd miller) 9. RE: sword cleaning (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 10. More stuff along the way (J. R. West) 11. Local boy (Dakin) does good (Ray Terry) 12. Jackson MS Seminar (Mac) 13. Taegeukgi (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Steve Kincade" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 15:35:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master West's Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It was a pleasure seeing so many old friends in Jackson and meeting Master Terry and some of the rest of the DD crew. We had to leave before the picture was taken since Dr. Kimm needed to get back to Baton Rouge. Thanks to Master West and his crew for a big dose of Southern hospitality! Steve Kincade skincade@hanmudojang.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 13:52:19 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear MR. Burdick, >I would say that TKDers want to "complete" their art, and they see HKD as a >natural complement to their art. It is another Korean art, and grew up >with TKD, so they do complement each other well, if one's aim is to develop >a "more realistic" t'aekwondo.< Your points seem to be in agreement with mine, save one depending on how you define "complimentary". Do you mean complimentary as in Yin and Yang, or as similar? Getting in the Way, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:08:47 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grace under fire Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Ok Bruce, Have you been talking to Ray and Dr. Kimm :) (both of them have made the same comment!) It is funny as I have NEVER studied aikido (except throwing my aikido 2nd dan brother around). I have had 4 hapkido instructors. The first 3 being Korean nationals and the 4th (and current) is Master West. I did spend the better part of decade learning daito-ryu aikijujutsu and kenjutsu for the historical aspects as related to hapkido. But the point I want to make is for ME, the technique is in the detail. My students of 10 years ago would NOT recognize my technique now and my students now should not recognize my technique 10 years from now. This is progress and I do not want to repeat the same year over and over. Yes there are techniques that I could do better 10 years ago and because of the aging process I can't do as well today, that is irrelevant! There is a balance between ability and knowledge for many of us! Some day my knowledge will out weigh my ability. It happens to all of us that stick with it. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:18:28 EST From: ABurrese@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: dirty soil Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Great to finally meet you Jere. And do you sell dirt >>or soil, I forget now? >>:) Ray, I don't remember what was soiled either, I just remember it was for the Bone Sigh trees. :-) I too enjoyed meeting you and our late night talks Jere! Alain --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:23:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bonsai (for Ray) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> The pleasure was all mine. For those that do not know me - I teach hapkido full time. I also have a bonsai nursery (one of my hobbies) and it is an art I have enjoyed for several decades. (again with the Japanese connection!). There is a joke amongst bonsai growers, and that is bonsai soil (I mix my own) is actually soil less! Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Prince Loeffler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TO BE OR NOT TO BE - Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Calling all list ! Dear All, I just got off the phone with mother who was inquiring if she should pay for her 12 years black belt test which cost $450.00 not including boards and belt. ( Yes it will be a Kukkiwon Certification) Her Background: She does not have much money and she was was given an ultimatum today by the instructor that this is the cost to test, so its now or never. Her biggest concern is that she wants her child to continue his study in TKD, but ultimately she does not have much to give. She already paying 150.00 per month in this school ( name witheld). There are schools that gives out alternative, some school would rank this child and be given a certificate under the school or proceed later to have a Kukkiwon certification...This however is NOT an option for her. I wish I could assist but I do not know the child well enough to test him. Can anyone advise me as to how I can assist her ? Thank you all in advance for your attention regarding this matter. Yours Truly Prince Loeffler Admission Director International Jidokwan Federation www.Jidokwan.net Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:32:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Rudy Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I would like to personally recommend that if you have the opportunity to attend a seminar by this legend in the Korean Martial Arts, now is your chance! Do not let this opportunity pass you by. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 17:55:47 -0500 From: todd miller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Choi, Yong Sool 9th dans Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As far as my research has determined. Choi, Yong Sool promoted Chang, Chin Il, Lim, Hyun Soo, Kim, Yun Sang all to 9th dan. I was told by a prominant authority that Choi did not like to promote many people as most were from other styles and wanted to learn his fantastic techniques! Peace Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Assc. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: sword cleaning Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just wanted to thank everyone that responded to my question regarding sword cleaning. I did however ordered a kit from Bugei Trading and will attempt to clean it tonight. Again, thanks for the information. ===== Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] More stuff along the way Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to express my deepest thanx for all the nice things everyone has related about our "16th International HapKiDo Seminar" last weekend, and I also want to send out my warmest appreciation for those who helped teach, or just pain hang around on the mats and have a great time. Special thanx go out to Master Rudy Timmerman aand Master Geoff Booth for making the long trek to Jackson for benefit of those who attended to train with them. I now get to spend three months getting over this seminar prior to starting the three month planning for the next one in August...YIKES! A word about Master Hilland's comments about basic motion. I feel relatively certain that his comments were aimed at the posers and posturers of our art that flood the planet with videos showing less than adequate basic motion, and become self appointed leaders of an art that they obviously don't understand. As far as age is concerned, I consider my self about two days younger than Moses, and although I may not move as I did when I was younger, I know for a fact that I now have more knowledge and less wasted motion (Young men move fast, old men THINK fast). It is VERY obvious to me when someone's motion is well taught and when it is NOT well taught. And I choose, by our seminars, to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Special thanx to Ray for coming out here to deepest, darkest Mississippi and vowing to return for more punishment in the future. Ray had the honor of pairing up with Don Holcomb, an ex-pro basketball player and coach who towers over the mat at very near 7 ft. tall. Ray asked Don to "let me feel it" and Don, like a good West's HapKiDo 3rd dan, gladly obliged. I think it was a learning experience for everyone. Again, thanx to all who made it possible....J.R.West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:24:02 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Local boy (Dakin) does good Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congrats to Dakin for getting published, yet again! Journal of Asian Martial Arts, Volume 10, Number 4, 2001, p.102 Dakin reviewed Lee's "Tang Soo Do: The Ultimate Guide to the Korean Martial Art". Good job Dakin... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Mac" To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:04:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson MS Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Laurie/Dizzy/KarateKid... <> Thanks 'Dizzy'. I usually get there early on Friday to work with the other TSD members, and you are certainly welcome to come join in. I'd be happy to help you with anything you like, as would any of the others there. I love that form too. When I was first learning it, I'd be doing it everywhere - at the dinner table, in the shower,... <> LOL, good one Ray. Next thing you know he'll be telling us that loud vibrator he rides is superior to the Vulcan... My wife says the louder the pipes the smaller the .... ugh.. you know. <> Ray, I'm glad you remembered my accuracy analogy and it made an impression :-) Mac TangSoo! --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:21:34 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Taegeukgi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net History of the Taegeukgi Korea first felt the need for a national flag as it was preparing to conclude the Korean-American Treaty of Commerce, which was concluded on May 22 and signed on June 6, 1882. This was during the 19th year of the reign of King Gojong of the Joseon Kingdom (1392-1910). Though China had been pressing Korea to use a dragon design on its national flag, Korea rejected this in favor of a blue and red yin-yang on a white field, a favorite Korean design since ancient times. Thus, the taegeuk design flag became the temporary national flag. Later Korea added eight trigrams combinations of three unbroken and broken bars - around the taegeuk circle and thereby creating the Taegeukgi, which served as the national colors for a while. King Gojong appointed Bak Yeoung-hyo as his ambassador to Japan in September 1882. While aboard ship heading for Japan, Bak drew a national flag with a taegeuk circle but included only four trigrams instead of eight, and started using the flag on the 25th of that month. On October 3, Bak reported this change to King Gojong who formally proclaimed the Taegeukgi as the national flag on March 6, 1883. For some unknown reason, however, he did not have formal instructions published at that time on how to make the flag. In fact, it wasn't till June 29, 1942, that the provisional Korean government in exile enacted a law on the uniform method of making the national flag. The law was promulgated but as the government was in exile, it was not widely known to Koreans at home still under Japanese colonial rule. Following the founding of the Republic of Korea on August 15, 1948, the government felt that it should codify the method of making the national flag. This prompted the government to form a special commission in January 1949 that issued the provision on the national flag on October 15 of that year. Since then, the Republic of Korea has been using the Taegeukgi as the national flag. Standard color shades of Taegeukgi, the Korean National Flag are follows: in the CIE System, the x, y, and Y coordinates for the red are x=0.5640, y=0.3194, Y=15.3; for the blue, x=0.1556, y=0.1354, Y=6.5. Alternatively, in the Munsell System of Color Notation, the red corresponds to 6.0R 4.5/14, and the blue to 5.0PB 3.0/12. In the Pantone Matching System, 186C red and 294C blue are recommended. Meaning of the Taegeukgi The white background of the Taegeukgi symbolizes light and purity and reflects Koreans' traditional affinity for white. A taegeuk circle, divided equally and in perfect balance with red on top and blue below, represents the cosmic dual forces of yin (blue) and yang (red). It symbolizes universal harmony in which the positive and the negative or the active and the passive form a whole. The four trigrams that surround the taegeuk circle in the four corners denote the process of yin and yang going through a spiral of change and growth. The three unbroken bars in the upper left-hand corner denote geon (heaven - justice), the three broken bars in the lower right-hand corner denote gon (earth - fertility), the two broken bars with one unbroken bar in the middle in the upper right-hand corner denote gam (water - life), and the two unbroken bars with a broken bar in the middle in the lower left-hand corner denote i (fire - wisdom). Collectively the Taegeukgi represents universal harmony and unity. Thus, the Taegeukgi embodies the ideals of Koreans who have pursued development and prosperity under universal principles and truth and circumscribes the country's tasks of unifying the people and working for world peace and prosperity. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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