Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #132 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Crash Dummies (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Master Timmerman (kevin_janisse) 4. Re: Ki Breaking (Bruce Sims) 5. Stirring the Pot= Hapkido versus ? (Randall Sexton) 6. Re: Body Motion Stuff (kevin_janisse) 7. Hapkido vs. whomever (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 8. Who is the best? (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Fees (Laurie S.) 10. Re:Hapkido Versus ? (SSHapkido@aol.com) 11. Re: Who is the best? (Ray Terry) 12. Jackson seminar pic page up (Ray Terry) 13. [Policedo] Habermehl tapes (Ray Terry) 14. National D-Day Museum (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:40:26 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: My dad can beat up YOUR dad!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ken: "......How would a Hapkido player do against an Eskrima/Silat player?...." Ha. ".....How would a Hapkido player do against a Muay Thai Kick Boxer?...." Double Ha. "....How would a Hapkido player do against a BJJ or grappler?..." Ha with peanut butter on it. "....Or how would a Hapkido player do against a well trained and schooled Western Boxer ?...." Mucho Grande Ha. C'mon, Ken. Didn't we go through this enough times last year and the year before that and the year before that? Did we ever truely decide if its colder in the mountains than it is in the winter? Aren't some people still bickering up how far is "up" and what the exact mileage is from "here to there"? Do you truely want to go over all that same information about body mass, velocity, deceleration, time in the art vs time on the mat. traditional vs non-traditional protocols, training methods and what constitutes a "real" fight compared to competition? You don't hear basketball players discussing whether a soccer ball bounces better than a basketball. If we are really that hard-up for discussion material I am still a.) Waiting for Carstens' response regarding documentation concerning the existence of Suahm Dosa b.) Richards publication of his thesis c.) Shaws' documentation of his PhD. d.) A clearer understanding and documentation of intent regarding M Rims' succession from GM Choi in the yu sool tradition (I'd settle for a commentary from M Chang, Chin-Il.) e.) A clearer explanation of M Pointers' administrative authority with the NHF, and perhaps some background and lineage. It took me about 3 minutes to rattle-off the above. IMVHO I think folks who have an interest in Hapkido arts specifically and KMA in general would be better served with information that they could use rather than theorizing about imagined out-comes. Or do I hafta stand your butt up, burn it down and pee on the ashes!!!! (Ya hafta love that WWF! :-) ) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:22:33 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Crash Dummies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to take a moment to tell all of the partners, Master Booth affectionally refers to as "crash dummies", just how much their contribution meant to everyone who participated in Masters West's seminar in Jackson. Your contribution and assistance was very much appreciated. I for one am deeply indebted to Kevin Janisse, who left his family behind to travel with me to Jackson. To be stuck in a car with me for 2600 miles is a true testament of dedication to the martial arts:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "kevin_janisse" To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:31:21 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Timmerman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Well said Master Jere, As a student of Master Timmermans for 18 years I am continually surprised and impressed with his "Deep Pockets" of knowledge and ability to explain the finer details of the "Do's and Don'ts" of technique. I am always honored to be his student and allowed to travel with him. Kevin M. Janisse --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 14:48:46 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ki Breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: Thank you fer yer kind invitation to present a workshop on ki breaking. I have had quite a bit of experience wit ki breaking this year. Not that it has been reil coal in the Chicago area. Buy, You can imagine ma suprize when I put my ki in the truk lok twise and it broke both times. $60 a pop, is a bit pricey for me to want to do this on purpose, though. Do you mind if I just sign up and watch? Inquiring minds want to know, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:37:16 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Stirring the Pot= Hapkido versus ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My objective opinion is that you're confusing the art with the practitioner. A western boxer friend of mine told me that winning a fight means only one thing. "On that particular day and time, against that particular person, you just happened to win." The very next day the same person may kick your butt! All arts have some weaknesses, but it's mostly the individual that has weaknesses. I like Hapkido because it is so comprehensive and has something for everyone. Big students who like to run over you can use the Water principle while the smaller student can use the same principle to flow around a bigger opponent, for example. Some of my students with wrestling and other ground fighting art backgrounds like to roll around on the mat, while I focus on not letting them get me down. They however, know that I don't mind getting on the floor like a coon fighting off a blue tick hound! Even then, my approach is different than theirs and I can wear them out at 51 years of age (maybe my lack of ground fighting background helps!). In short, I think the best approach is picking the instructor and the art that you feel the most comfortable with. I also think that you should be able to practice the art until the day you fall over dead! Randall Sexton "In your practice start by learning one and continue until you understand ten. >From ten you must return to the original one." --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "kevin_janisse" To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:03:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Body Motion Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Bruce, <> <> I strongly believe in the efficiency of one's time over the quantity of one's time. I too have limited time that I can invest in training and teaching due to the needs of my family and other outside influences. Over the past 9 months I have seen you travel over an hour to train with me in Rockford, IL and also to Master Hilland in Harrison, OH. When your here we spend most if the time on the mat. I have know very few black belts that are willing to put in that much effort to grow. As I recall, many of the original Masters/Grandmasters spent a considerable amount of time traveling to their respective teachers to learn. With that in mind, you are putting in the effort to learn, apply, and expound upon the knowledge gained. That speaks for itself when it comes to truly wanting to learn and apply MA technique. Taking notes can never measure up to the experience of real pain (giving and receiving) that occurs only on the mat. Sincerely, Kevin M. Janisse NKMAA --__--__-- Message: 7 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:07:34 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido vs. whomever Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/8/2002 12:38:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > How would a Hapkido player do against an Eskrima/Silat player ? > > How would a Hapkido player do against a Muay Thai Kick Boxer ? > > How would a Hapkido player do against a BJJ or grappler ? > > Or how would a Hapkido player do against a well trained and schooled > Western Boxer ? Definitions please: "Hapkido player" - practitioner, experienced competitor, instructor, average Joe or Joann? "against" - are we talking sporting competition with agreed-upon rules, brutal sporting competition (UFC-style), or malicious attack (non-sporting)? "well trained and schooled Western Boxer" - as opposed to a mediocre Boxer? You left out a couple of questions: How would a Hapkido player do against a guy with a nuke under his arm? How would a Hapkido player do against a blatant bait? ;-) Sharon --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:09:05 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Who is the best? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net McD writes: > How would a Hapkido player do against an Eskrima/Silat player ? > > How would a Hapkido player do against a Muay Thai Kick Boxer ? > > How would a Hapkido player do against a BJJ or grappler ? > > Or how would a Hapkido player do against a well trained and schooled > Western Boxer ? According to my latest discussion with Ray, it depends on who is the best shot:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 17:28:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fees Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hiya all. What?!?!?!?! Someone said that the Kukkiwon charges $450! My new dojang is a Kukki-WTF school ..... eeekkkkkkk. The IMA (TSD) didn't charge that much. Sheesh. Anyway, as far as paying fees (for tests, tuition, ect) .... When I lost my job when I was an orange belt in TSD, my instructor let me work for the monthly fee. I cleaned the dojang for two months to be able to train. To thank him, I kept it up even after I got a new job. Laurie (Dizzy) yellow belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: SSHapkido@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:38:45 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Hapkido Versus ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess most of us at some point wonder how our art would hold up in competition against another. I myself have pondered how I might do in a NHB type competition. But I always come up with 2 reasons not to try it. #1 - I'm afraid I might hurt someone. #2 - I'm afraid they might hurt me. More seriously, I love hapkido as an art and as a means of self defense. And my goal is not to go out looking for other stylists to fight. I simply want to learn and to share what I've learned with others. I pray that I never having to use a hapkido technique for anything other than putting my big brother ( 6' 5" and over 200 lbs) in his place. But if it saves my life some day, thank God for Hapkido. Another thing to think about - There are a lot of good martial artist in many different styles and a lot of good fighters with no formal training. ANd there is always the possibility that you will come up against someone bigger, meaner, or crazier than yourself; or someone that is just downright lucky on a given day. So regardless of your training, avoiding a fight is always a good option. But, you might say that you were speaking of competition and not street fighting. Well, even NHB competitions are not realistic. How many people have you seen killed in a NHB competition? Unlike the street, you are pretty much guaranteed a fairly safe way out in NHB competitions. So, people will not do the things in NHB that they might do on the street in a desperate situation ( like scratch someone's eyes out, burst their eardrums, crush their trachea, break their neck, etc). So who can really say what style is best based on NHB results ? If you can escape alive after being attacked on the street, you've done a great job with whatever style you've learned. Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts on the subject. BTW - I'm new to the Dojang Digest and really am enjoying it. Thanks guys. Suzanne Sanders --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Who is the best? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:24:45 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > According to my latest discussion with Ray, it depends on who is the best > shot:) Yes sir!! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:50:55 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Jackson seminar pic page up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The web page of the picture of the_dojang members present at the recent seminar in Jackson, Mississippi is now at: http://martialartsresource.com/korean/jackson.htm It is also linked to from the Korean side of martialartsresource.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:58:48 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] [Policedo] Habermehl tapes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message from the Policedo list... Have any of you seen, or have any opinions of Chuck Habermehl's tapes (Ultimate Officer Survival, Entry Team Combative, Escape Combatives, Ground Combatives). Would appreciate anyone's opinions. Thanks Gary g.dejarnett@ttu.edu --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, eskrima@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:38:06 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] National D-Day Museum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the things I did recently, after attending the recent Hapkido - Tang Soo Do - Taekwondo seminar in Mississippi, was visit the National D-Day Museum in New Orleans. A project of historian Stephen E. Ambrose, it is WWII based. As it turned out it was only a mile or so from the hotel that I was staying at while in New Orleans. I spent a few hours there on Tuesday, $10 to get in. In addition to the requisite maps, equipment, timelines, etc. many museums have, there were also a good number of short 2 min films that gave "personal accounts" from several of the men and women that were involved. Not only the event that we have come to think of as "D-Day", the Normandy invasion of 6 June 1944, but also the 120 some D-Days that occurred in the Pacific Theater of WWII. My uncle, Clarence "Red" Gaines Massie, Jr. (1921-1974), was a US Marine in the Pacific during WWII. He was very proud of the fact that he had been a Marine, that he -was- a Marine, but he would seldom talk of his experiences during WWII. How now I wish I had at least tried to get him to talk more about what he went through. Perhaps he would not have had any interest in discussing it, but... once they are gone you don't have the option of even trying. I can't ask my uncle about his experiences. But hopefully by sharing this you won't make the same mistake. Take the time to ask, and listen if they wish to talk. Get your own real life "personal account" of what they went through, for us... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest