Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #135 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Cross-training (Piotr Bernat) 4. Training idea (Loucat101@aol.com) 5. Re: Re: Mother's Concern on Kukkiwon Certificates - Update (SallyBaughn@aol.com) 6. Interview with GM Myong Jae Ok (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 7. Going outside the Org. (kevin) 8. Re: Keep those cards and letters comin'!! (Bruce Sims) 9. Missing TSD... (Chereecharmello@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 04:37:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know of any good instructors in Arnis/Eskrima (or even any Hapkido which is unlikely) in Angeles City, Philippines. Please let me know privately. Thanks, Ken McD... Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do" To: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:05:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I asked one of my instructors today when I was going to learn self defence. He replied "at red belt". What?!?!?!?!?! That's one belt (or two grades before black belt). In TSD, we learned (well the adults anyways) self defence from the beginning. One steps also. Here (TKD) they don't learn even one steps till green belt. What's up with that? <> Laurie (Dizzy), Putting my theoretical JKD hat on, I'd say that's instructor preference. Like your instructor I teach much more pain comlpiance and joint manipulation to adults and almost none to my 5 year olds although they learn basic release techniques at white belt. I also teach 8 basic ways to parry an incoming attack, and basic footwork, but I don't teach numbered one steps. And yes from another TSD org. I know about 60 one steps plus 15 from my Hapkido School. Also, one school of thought is to teach quality basic motion up through a certain level, and then things like new forms or numbered one steps become easier since the student knows all the basic motions. My 9th and 8th gups are not required to know any forms to test, but 7th gup must perform all three KiCho hyungs. Finally, self-defense at red belt. My students also learn falling and rolling in phases. So at 6th gup green, they start learning standing falls and there are some takedowns on the 5th gup exam. But they don't circle fall (air wheel) until red belt, so they don't learn "throws" that require the partner to air wheel untill that level. Maybe you instructor has this kind of phase in, and that's what he meant by until red belt, or he feels the average student will have the appropriate basic motion and falling skills by red belt. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Piotr Bernat To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 07:45:04 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Cross-training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > For those of you that have trained in more than one style, what elements made > you remain in one style versus the other? For me, looking for new styles was always "filling the gaps" in the old ones. My base is TKD and I simply... like it :) I like the kicks, the patterns and all that stuff. Things that were missing for me were locks, sweeps, groundwork etc., so I started looking for some HKD. I was always interested in stick and knife so I did some Eskrima for a couple of years. Now we also have a Boxing class on Saturdays and it`s another challenge for me - finally I have an opportunity to work on my punches the way I like it. See, I don`t really feel these boundaries between the styles while training. One day I can kick, on Friday I can go to the mats or take my sticks with me, next day we`re punching the mitts, it`s all a part of training - of our own private "Martial Art". Bernat-Do or whatever (maybe I shall print out a certificate for 12th Dan... ;) Regards -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Loucat101@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:12:41 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training idea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is just an idea I had this morning...I was bored so I tried to kick a ball of paper (about 1 inch wide i guess) through the doorway (about 32 inches wide) and it was really hard...to a) actually make contact with the ball and b) aim it through the door. So I got a tennis ball and practised using that...then a golf ball...then back to the paper ball and I got it through. I guess you could do this with any kicking technique but I thought it would be good practise for aiming, coordination and reflexes. This is probably a really old method...just thought I'd share it with you :) Louise --__--__-- Message: 5 From: SallyBaughn@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:41:39 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: Mother's Concern on Kukkiwon Certificates - Update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Prince Loeffler wrote: << I wish I could name this instructor...But out of respect to members who might be afiliated to this instructor I will not divulge this info at this time...This is Instructor from Korea who is quite popular in his area and does have a solid affiliation with the Kukkiwon.....I don't know maybe this is perhaps a standard procedure in this particular school.>> I don't understand this. If the instructor is legitimate, why would you not give his name? If the instructor is not legitimate, why would you not give his name? This smacks of old, mysterious martial arts secrets and the grandmaster who knows best, blah, blah, blah. The truth is always better than half-truth or no-truth. Sally SallyBaughn@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Interview with GM Myong Jae Ok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I came accross this interview of GM Myong Jae Ok for those that are interested. The interview was made by Helena Jaakkola, and it was published in the Finnish Budoka-magazine number 1/95. Grandmaster Myung Jae Ok, when did you start training martial arts and why? - When I was 12 I saw a gang attacking my brother in the street. I decided that some day I would get even with them. But after I started training martial arts my way of thinking changed and thoughts of revenge disappeared. In 1960 martial arts had became my way of life. What styles have you trained? - Tae Kyon (kicking art), Soo Bryuk Ta (hand art). Who was your most important teacher? - Su Ho Sa -monk, who taught me philosophy and Nok Jik Byang (126th grandmaster of Dol Kye Ry) who tauhgt me the principles of traditional circular techniques. What was your goal when you started developing this new style of self-defence? - There were many hard and angular styles of martial arts. I wanted to create soft, fast and effective one. HJMS is said to be a self-defence art of the future. During your long career you have examined many martial arts. What are HJMS's most important techniques? - Self-defence is the most important part of HJMS. It utilizes circular motion which is like the waves and whirls of the sea. HJMS includes over 3000 self-defence techniques. HJMS has lots of techniques. Why is it so important to practice so many basic techniques? - Large amount of techniques gives practitioners different points of view for applying those techniques. High-level skills cannot be developed without mastering the basic techniques first. Are there any books available? - Jok Sool Do, in English. Is there anything you still would like to develop in HJMS? - I'm never saticfied. I still practice continually in order to find any defectivesses. How big role does competing have in HJMS? - Very small, because it reduces the amount of practitioners. Martial arts are meant for everybody. What is the most difficult part of this art for practitioner to understand? - To understand the softness of the techniques. Physical strength is not important. What kind of advice you would like to give to beginners? How about the teachers? - Student usually is teacher's image. Techniques are like jewels: the more you polish them, the more shiny they become. After adding your mind to your movements and techniques you start to understand their meaning ===== Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "kevin" To: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 20:12:29 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Going outside the Org. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am currently a 1st Dan and own a school .I currently found out how political it is to go out side your organization to compete.Most of my life I have taken a martial art from Karate to Judo .Until my adult life I obtained a Black Belt in Taekwondo.Havingtrained in different styles of martial arts I decided I would like to compete in a ITF tournament .When I went to register "boy did I get a ear full from both sides" Why is it so wrong to compete in different org tournaments as long as you know the rules andcan play the game! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:34:00 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Keep those cards and letters comin'!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ken ( You ol' pot-stirrer, you) "....I am trying to get away from all this mutual admiration society stuff, e.g., "Oh, John, you threw me so nice. It was a pleasure having you throw me...your motion was so good...I learned how to fall on my derriere correctly...thanks and kisses..." OK, point well taken. All the same, I am willing to accept a little gushing and hyperbole' if it gets the word out that this experience was worth the time, money and effort to go. After months of listening to bad blood about certificates, leadership, splits and fallings-out, it is just so DAMN NICE to have an occasion where folks can get together and leave that crap behind. I am not saying that maybe within some organization where everybody agrees on the same head man and the same way of doing things that they, too, don't experience a respite from the chaos, but it comes as a price. That price is that one will see only ONE way of doing something and listen to a raft of stuff about how wrong everyone else is. Now, there are probably a dozen or so various arts that show up at M Wests little hoe-down and in the two that I attended for a total of six days I never did hear a disparaging remark about who was doing what and to whom. After months of bitching and competition a whole lot of tolerance of this sort can easily be much to get giddy over. Third, fourth and fifth deg BB in TKD get out on the mat and get dropped by some HKD Blue Belt, but theres no smirk or smugness. In return a TKD person takes an hour to trouble-shoot this ol' coots jump spin-kick, and never once suggested anything other than things would improve with practice. This beats the pie out of that "yer damn lucky to have me here to show you the errors of your ways"- attitude that I have witnessed on more than one occasion at MA seminars, or that nasty, arrogant indifference ("ok, you paid your money--- lets get this over with") approach that seems to crop up more times than it ever should. Nope. I want folks to let those who have not made plans to make it to Jackson in August to start getting themselves organized. I want them to hear that there is a place where they can go and learn, twice a year with a whole lot of other folks, and where judgement and attitude have been left at the door with the shoes and the umbrellas. Can I get an "Amen". Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Chereecharmello@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:35:31 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Missing TSD... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Laurie- I hear what you are saying. It took quite a while for me to find the art/instuctor that coincided with what I expected/needed for the whole MA experience. As I mentioned a few times on the DD, my first experience was, well, a serious disappointment. The instruction was poor and the students all seemed to take on the nasty attitude of the instructor. It felt like less of a learning environment and more like an attempt to escape a gang. I don't like most TKD schools either, however there are a few that teach similarly to TSD. If you really are not satisfied with your training, then consider another art. I knew the moment I entered my Do Jang that it was were I belonged. The people accepted new students openly and the environment was family like (OK. dysfunctional family like:0) You really are not losing anything by starting over (although it stinks, I know) You can't undo knowledge. What you have learned is yours to keep and you can use it to supplement future training. Ask the DD what arts might be similar to TSD, then see if you can visit a few local schools. I visited quite a number of schools before making my choice. Might I suggestion? Stear clear of the creep 'Instructor' who, upon your first meeting, brags about being able to beat all others... --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest