Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:06:41 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #139 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Waiting for your dan (Klaas Barends (opurk.nl)) 3. Education quotation (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. RE: 15 shots? (Kirk Lawson) 5. All American Open Championships (HenryCho@aol.com) 6. RE: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #138 - 14 msgs (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. Re: RE: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #138 - 14 msgs (Ray Terry) 8. RE: Women in Dojangs (Morgan James) 9. Teaching fellow students (Bert Edens) 10. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #137 - 12 msgs (F Pitt) 11. Re: Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #137 - 12 msgs (Ray Terry) 12. RE: Challenges of Training Students (CAB&S Skjold) 13. Gals Training :) (John Groff) 14. mag capacity (TNTcombatives@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:15:12 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Keifer Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Best Shot Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 11:02 AM 3/11/02 -0600, "Dunn, Danny J RASA" opined: >Lets not forget speed, too! Who's the fastest draw and shoot. And who >has the >largest magazine capacity. If you can draw fast and shoot 15 times or more, >thats got to cut down on the best shot edge!!! > >Danny Dunn If you draw fast and miss 15 times or more,you GET cut down by the "best shot" edge. peace - Michael --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:22:17 +0100 From: "Klaas Barends (opurk.nl)" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Waiting for your dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Hello, > > Do you guys think the waiting times for dan promotions in hapkido should be > respected as in tkd > for ex/ 1 dan min 1 year > 2 dan 1 year after 1st dan; 3rd dan two years after 2nd > dan....etc No, I think you should wait till your teacher decides when you are ready to test for your next dan. Even if he decided it should take 100 years. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:06:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Education quotation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greg mentioned: > "Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire." > - William Butler Yates Looks like Yates was paraphrasing Plutarch, who wrote: "The mind is not like a vessel for filling, but like a fire for kindling." Another one of my favorites is: "What I hear, I forget. What I see, I remember. What I do, I understand." -- Gong-fu-zi (Grandmaster Gong; aka. Confucius) Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 8:49:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net}"), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: 15 shots? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: "michael tomlinson" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 02:02:16 +0000 > Subject: [The_Dojang] 15 shots? > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > It is illegal in the U.S. to tote a gun with a 15 shot > magazine. You can > own the preban high capacity mags if they came with your > firearm and you can > prove it but the maximum mag capacity in the U.S. now is 10 > bullets,, lets > face it though,, if you need 10 bullets, then what you really > need is more > time at the range,, > Michael Tomlinson This is not correct. The restriction is for non-LEOs/non-gvt. on magazines with capacities of more then 10 rounds made after the effective date. You *can* purchace, use, and "carry" pre-ban magazines (provided they are not imported). You can use a pre-ban mag with a new firearm. You don't have to "prove" anything. Peace favor your sword, Kirk Lawson --__--__-- Message: 5 From: HenryCho@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:53:47 EST To: TKDBILL@pacbell.net Subject: [The_Dojang] All American Open Championships Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear fellow Martial Artists: Greetings to you from the All American Open, the longest running Martial Arts Championship Tournament in New York, U.S.A.! The 38th Annual All American Open Tournament is less than two (2) weeks away. It is coming along well as scheduled. Entries are coming in and people are in contact. We expect to have another successful tournament this year. If you plan to stay in Hotel when you come to the All American Open, try Fort Lee Hilton Hotel near George Washington Bridge. Discounted room rates were arranged for any competitors, teachers and spectators of the All American Open. Call Mr. Choi at (201)461-8686 and make reservation today. The cut-off date is March 15. For information on the forthcoming All American Open, visit our web site:www.henrycho.com ('Tournament'), in which you will find the entry form. This morning, we all had the mixed motion when we watched the TV news and reports about the horrific 9/11 attacks on the WTC in New York City, that first came at 8:46AM six months ago. It is with great pride to say that New Yorkers seem to be successful in pulling out of the nightmare and moving along with life. The security in the city is still tight but not as grave as it was before right after the attack. The Ground Zero which has almost been cleared is now open for public visits. Any of you who would be interested in visiting the site may let us know so that we can get back to you with information on direction, hours, etc. You may visit the Ground Zero while you are in town for the All American Open. See you soon. Sincerely, S. Henry Cho Director All American Open --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:17:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #138 - 14 msgs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having been born in Brooklyn, I feel a need to aid in the interpretation of those who yet remain in that domain. I shall therefore endeavor to deconstruct Mr. McDonough's last critical treatise: > Alas, the Ivory Towered Mr. Burdick enters the arena. This reference indicates a general disdain for education and those who pursue it. One sees further this disdain in the following passages: 1. "Geez, suggest you go back and rethink your research methodology." 2. "Are you snorting something over at Bloomington ?" 3. "I mean I dont got a PhD and hang out at the 'Cafe' discussin [sic] the Beat Generation, but I sorta like the idea of dames in Dojangs." 4. "Do you think I am that politically incorrect to write something as ridiculous as that." 5. "The rest of your disseration [sic] I would comment on since I was having a little fun and being in an Ivory Tower you miss the apparent nuances of street 'wolfing'." Let us examine these. In passage #1, he critiques the first writer's research methodology, yet this is not in response to a research question, nor does he offer an alternative to the supposed "methodology." One can only conclude that sarcasm is intended. This is reinforced by passage #5 where Mr. McDonough says he was just "having a little fun." This phrase is linked in more than one way to the phrase "wolfing," etymologically speaking. The colloquialism itself is unusual enough to warrant explanation. "Wolfing" down one's dinner is a more common term (ie. the rapacious consumption of edibles) but should not be confused with this usage, which refers to the exchange of derogatory, insulting or inflammatory speech between two parties. Lisa Lindsey, Assistant Prosecuting Attorney in the case of People v. Ketchings in 1997, explained: "There would always be a situation where in the hallways you would worry about whether a fight was going to break about between the victim's family and the defendant's friends and family. They'd be out there wolfing [sic]. When I say wolfing, it's a slang term, you know, for talking back and forth at each other and things of that nature." [REFERENCE: Opinion, Michigan Supreme Court, Lansing, Michigan, July 10, 2001. http://www.michbar.org/opinions/supreme/2001/071001/10826.pdf] Continuing, passage #4 expresses the writer's fear of being "politically incorrect," yet his very next missive included much that would be construed as such. Again, sarcasm seems at work, but perhaps there is also something to all of this? Perhaps "he does protest too much?" Passages #2 & #3 link university life with drug use. In the first case, the author refers to the snorting of cocaine, although this drug is more typically a choice of businessmen. The proper drug for university use would be marijuana, especially if one is discussing the link with the "Beat Generation," in which many bowls of the latter drug were no doubt smoked on this campus, although direct evidence is lacking. The mention of the Beats is in itself fascinating, since that era lays more than fifty in the past. Why not mention hippies, or even more apropos (given the reference to cocaine), the "Me Generation" of the 1970s? The answer to this mystery is not clear, and will require more research. Those who would like to write letters of support for an NEH grant examining the use of colloquial English in NYC should send them to me within the next month. While this first response by Mr. McDonough was somewhat confusing, his second missive (written an hour later) shows that the first letter was probably written quickly and in anger, while more care was taken with the second. The second e-mail contains more coherent use of sarcasm and much more consistency and inventiveness in laying forth a chauvinistic philosophy. In conclusion, it seems likely that Mr. McDonough's use of sarcasm is a personal trademark. His anger at the present author, whom he believed "overreacted" to all of this, seems misplaced. It seems likely that the use of a "smiley" (an emoticon shaped like a smiling face, placed sideways) would have eliminated much of the confusion (and subsequent anger) in this exchange. Current "netiquette" (ie. etiquette on the net) calls for the use of a "smiley" when saying something in jest (rather like John Wayne's classic catch phrase, "smile when you say that stranger."). Therefore, in the interest of restoring clear communication on the web, the current author offers the deconstruction above, complete with "smiley." :) Take care folks, Dakin burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #138 - 14 msgs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 7:16:14 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please update your subject lines!!! Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:53:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Women in Dojangs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is this guy for real? I thought morons like this only existed in the movies. Ken, your posts are entertaining to say the least. You make me keeping checking my email just so I can see what kind of crap has been recently flowing from your small mind, down your neck, through your arms, out of your fingers(when they are not firmly wrapped around a beer can or porno mag), and into your keyboard. As I sit here smirking and shamelessly shaking my head eagerly awaiting the next issue.... James Morgan --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:26:45 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching fellow students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 04:02 3/12/02 -0600, you wrote: >I have a question for all the black belts on the list. >When you are required to train a fellow student, what makes you lose patience >with them the most? Trying to get them to understand the forms? Getting them >to think? Trying to get them to concentrate? I really would like to know so >that I can be a student who is easier to train. I have asked lots of >questions about how to understand the teaching methods of SOME black belts, >and I have only been given 1 positive response. I am not thin skinned, I just >want to learn how to understand the higher ranks. >Tyranmarla >9th gup >TKD Greetings... I don't get frustrated with lack of ability. We all have our own paces and goals, etc. The only thing I really get frustrated with is lack of effort. And that frustration in me rises in direct proportion to the rank of the student I'm working with. The higher ranks should certainly show more effort and know what it takes to train hard... <> - Bert Edens 1st Degree Recommended, Level 2 Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:55:12 -0800 From: F Pitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #137 - 12 msgs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow! I'd like to know where you train? Of coarse they let us spar. It's for sport, not self defense. Laurie, I guess my question was confusing? What exactly are you not allowed to learn until you're a red belt? Where I train, we learn basic self-defense moves from the beginning. The instructor I train with is NOT a sport-minded one that just wants people to think they look good. He teaches us a lot of self-defense moves against an opponents assault. Since I've never trained with any other instructor, perhaps this is why I don't understand how one does not learn ANY self defense until red belt since that is what I thought learning martial arts is all about. We are constantly shown how to defend against many different attacks. By the way, we don't get to spar that much, we mostly practice techniques since they are often difficult to perfect. I don't know, I like my school...it's small, and although practice can seem monotonous at times, I definitely feel more capable of defending myself than I did when I began, I have much more focus, more power in my punches, blocks, and kicks, etc.. I'm testing for my red belt tomorrow. Wish you could get what you want out of your school too. Good luck. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #137 - 12 msgs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 9:11:30 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is another one... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "CAB&S Skjold" To: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:45:20 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Challenges of Training Students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ms. Tyranmarla Good question, I retrospect I wish I would have asked the same thing. My biggest challenge is the student who thinks he knows it all, and instead of listening to a correction on techniques, he says "I know" or a brand new student who is always saying "I know". Even if you think you are doing something correctly, listen to your instructor, there maybe some fine point he is trying to show you or correct. And remember none of us have all the knowledge, never say "I know" because even when you achieve your Black Belt you still have things to learn. The second thing is a new students lack of respect. I know respect is earned but as a Black Belt instructor you have earned a certain degree of respect. For example, in the previous example if these students would say "I know, Ma'am" at least you know they have respect for there teachers. Hope this helps Ms. Anne (1st Dan TKD) Message: 8 From: Tyranmarla@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:30:54 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] For the list Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a question for all the black belts on the list. When you are required to train a fellow student, what makes you lose patience with them the most? Trying to get them to understand the forms? Getting them to think? Trying to get them to concentrate? I really would like to know so that I can be a student who is easier to train. I have asked lots of questions about how to understand the teaching methods of SOME black belts, and I have only been given 1 positive response. I am not thin skinned, I just want to learn how to understand the higher ranks. Tyranmarla 9th gup TKD --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "John Groff" To: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:31:23 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gals Training :) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken wrote: "And, I now accept the fact that ladies should be in Dojangs." Ken, you make me laugh :) :) :) Fellas who think there opinions matter to us gals are so cute! Chaney Hardman --__--__-- Message: 14 From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:54:28 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] mag capacity Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> No Sir, it is not illegal to carry a firearm with more than 15 round capacity. The law put in a couple years ago limited the import and manufacture of hi-cap magazines, not the ownership or use of pre-ban ones. I was at a gun show a couple weekends ago and saw many varieties (handgun/long gun) of hi-cap mags. I even purchased a 30 rounder for one of my handguns. Before the law went into effect, 10+ manufacture went into overdrive. The post ban hi-cap mags are unlawful to sell or buy unless you are law enforcement. Those mags now have serial numbers and are usually printed with 'law enforcement only' on them. LEO's need a letter from their agency stating the reason for the purchase. You can own any pre-ban manufacture magazine. You can tell they are pre ban due to the fact they do not have 'LE only' or a serial number for that purpose stamped on them. On a side note, I feel it is ridiculous to try to prevent excess rounds from being fired by some lunatic by limiting the mag capacity. I can do a mag change and be ready to go in under 3 seconds. I wonder if a murderous shooter has ever only used one 10 round mag due to being afraid of the legal repercussions of using a +10. If you own firearms, please be proficient with them, and learn to shoot well. Yes, the best scenario is Alain's one-shot rule, even with a handgun caliber. On duty, I carry 46 rounds for my duty firearm, 18 for my backup, 14 for the shotgun, 100 for the long gun, and 120 for the MP-5 subgun.(yes, my Chief likes us loaded for bear). Off duty I usually carry only 1 mag of 15. I do not plan to get involved, and am aware of my surrounding to be sure that I am not put in the position. I plan to be an excellent witness instead of participant. In a personal defense role, you might have others to protect and retreat is the best option...while using covering fire to make them duck. At one shot every second, a 10 rounder will get you 10 seconds of covered retreat time....I can run pretty far in 10 seconds. You might wish you had the extra 5 rounds to protect yourself. Take Care, Mark Gajdostik Police Officer. Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest