Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:59:56 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #144 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Sciatica (Ray Terry) 2. High Capacity Mags (michael tomlinson) 3. Re: High Capacity Mags (Ray Terry) 4. in search of a new instructor (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 5. Sciatica (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. Re: in search of a new instructor (Ray Terry) 7. RE: Pyong Ahn Hyungs and TKD (Dunn, Danny J RASA) 8. RE: Challeges of training students (CAB&S Skjold) 9. Bo Staff Inquiry (CAB&S Skjold) 10. Chinese Medical Book (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 11. Back pain (Bobbea Garrett) 12. Customs and Traditions (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Sciatica To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:03:07 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Yes, it appears that I have Sciatica. > > > > Just back from a medical consultation where I was advised to halt all > > martial arts activity until this gets better. > > I also have occasional sciatica, but it really hasn't hampered me much due to > a great chiropractor. He is a HKD 4th dan, so understands exactly what I'm > telling him when I describe what movements (kicks or whatever) seem to be > currently aggravating it. Good idea. My insurance doesn't cover Chiropractic, but I what the heck. My original statement was also a bit of an overstatement. They didn't say halt completely, forever. Just halt until it gets better. But I'll probably be training tonight at 6PM anyway. Guess I just ain't too bright... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:56:06 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] High Capacity Mags Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kirk writes: <> Do you know of any court cases where this happened and the outcome? Let me ask you a question, if there is no legal ramification to qualify a "pre-ban or post-ban firearm and magazine then why are they categorized this way and why was there a ban in the first place? Are you telling me that if you use a firearm that is bought post ban and then you add a high capacity magazine to it later that the prosecuting attorney will not deem it necessary to bring this fact up to the court and jury? Have you ever read anything written by a man named Massod Ayoob,, pardon the spelling,, he has some very interesting facts on these subjects and testifies in courts regarding these types of cases quite often. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] High Capacity Mags To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:49:21 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Guys... As pro-gun as I am (yes, I believe in the US Constitution, am a NRA life member, a certified NRA Firearms Safety Instructor, a NRA Training Counselor, certified by the state of California as a firearms safety instructor and probably in the government's secret directory of "gun nuts") perhaps there is a better place to continue this. Thanks for understanding... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:14:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] in search of a new instructor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brian, I am not familiar with any hapkido instructors in the Indy area, but we are an hour drive southwest of Indy on 74 at the Indiana - Ohio border and you are always welcome to join us. We have folks who drive from all over the Midwest who come to our Saturday open class and workshops. Next weekend some of the folks (a hapkido 4th dan and his students) from Ft. Wayne will be down to train with me (we are also having a hangul workshop) and Bruce travels from Chicago to train here monthly and it is a 6 hour drive for him! But then again, being a Texan, these tiny northern states can be crossed in the time it used to take me to go the grocery store. :) Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul PS. When I lived in Galveston in the late 80's, I taught evening hapkido classes at my (then) teacher's dojang in west Houston on Richmond. It was a 1 1/2 hour drive (each way) for 4 years three times a week plus Saturdays. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sciatica Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Sorry to hear about your back. But please do seek another opinion. I had 6 MD's tell me I needed knee surgery in 2000 and then found one who said no and gave me 3 of those nasty injections. But they worked! Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul PS. Remember 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom 1/2 of their class... --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] in search of a new instructor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:03 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > west Houston on Richmond. It was a 1 1/2 hour drive (each way) for 4 years > three times a week plus Saturdays. But then Master Hilland is a true Hapkido guy. Orders pain for breakfast along with a side order of pain and then chases that down with a couple cups of hot pain, just to get him going every morning... Pain is good. It lets you know you're still alive. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:11:07 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Pyong Ahn Hyungs and TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brian, Bruce is correct in that the Pyong-Ahn Hyungs are originally from Japan and Shotokan, and were first developed on Okinawa. Many of the first Kwans or martial arts schools that opened in Korea after WW II including the Moo Duk Kwan, GM Hwang Kee, used the Pyong Ahn forms. Some kwans also used the Kuk Mu, often refered to as Basic Forms. Several of these original Kwans used the name Tang Soo Do which translates "Chinese Hand Way" for the name of their art. This is the same name as the original Chinese characters for the Japanese word "Karate". However, "Kara" in Japanese can also mean Empty. OS Funakosi was the first reference that I have found to change the name of the Okinawan Art from "Chinese Hand" to "Empty Hand". So the source of much of the modern striking martial art in Korea was Japanese Arts like Shotokan. However, the Korean Arts took on a different flavor from the Japanese Arts, probably influenced by older traditional korean martial arts and sports. One unique aspect of this change is the numerous foot techniques and high kicks, which were not seen in early Japanese and Okinawan Arts. All this predates the use of the name Tae Kwon Do, and the development of the numerous form sets that are used in different branches of taekwondo today. There are a lot of good historical discussions in the archives of DD that go into detail on this issue. As a general rule, I have found that most Tae Kwon Do schools that use the Pyong Ahn forms are more traditional than schools using the other newer form sets. Before anyone flames me about the term "traditional", let me define my use as being more closely related to the systems taught early on, say before the 1960's, in one or more of the first Kwans. Good Luck! Danny Dunn <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "CAB&S Skjold" To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:16:28 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Challeges of training students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Bert Edens Thank you for the advice, as a fairly new instructor feed back like this sure helps, I will try this approach. Ms. Anne, 1st Dan, Moorhead, MN The second thing is a new students lack of respect. I know respect is >earned but as a Black Belt instructor you have earned a certain degree of >respect. For example, in the previous example if these students would say >"I know, Ma'am" at least you know they have respect for there teachers. I think that Respect is also taught. Especially with our younger kids, we remind them often of how they should answer, especially when you get "Yeah." as an answer. :) We also remind them regularly, making sure the spectators can hear, that they need to answer up appropriately at home and school too. With those that seem to have difficulties, we add that as homework and a requirement for their next belt promotion. Almost always does the trick, especially since the parents are wanting to see the politeness and respect in their children, and can use the requirement for promotion as an incentive at home too. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "CAB&S Skjold" To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:43:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bo Staff Inquiry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To All. In our school we Black Belts are now learning a Bo Staff Series. My question/problem is how to name some of the moves as I have never trained in weapons before now. Reason I want to 'label' some of the moves is I write all my material down, for home study purposes And are there any books or sites on the subject. Thank You Ms. Anne, 1st Dan TKD --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:51:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Chinese Medical Book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I recently found a medical book a student gave me in the early 80's. It is called 'A Barefoot Doctor's Manual'. It is in English and was published in 1974. It was originally written in 1970 and is a translation of a Chinese instruction to Chinese health personnel. Reproduced in limited quantities by the Geographic health Studies Program of the John E. Fogarty International Center for the Advanced Study in the Health Sciences. It is over 960 pages and includes everything from massage, acupuncture, acupressure, first aid, herbal medicine, western medicine and surgery. It even shows 100 acupuncture points in the ear alone on two pages. It covers disease names, etiology, pathology, sign and symptoms, important diagnostic features, differential diagnosis and type/form classification of disease. Each section is followed by subsequent sections on prevention and treatment which goes into great detail. It lists some 197 of the common and prevalent diseases seen in Hunan province, some 522 herbs and hundreds of prescriptions based on their effectiveness, popular use, ease of preparation and economy. The translation appears to have been done on a manual typewriter, but the drawings are rather good. Some of the treatments may mention one classification, for example, acupuncture, but others show many. For example under Miliaria (prickly heat) it states that while you are preparing the herbal rash powder to rub fresh cucumber slices lightly over the skin discomfort. Just thought you might be interested as we discussed Asian medicine last month. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Bobbea Garrett" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:53:22 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Back pain Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Try what your Dr. wants you to do, but realize that sometimes your body will need something different from the initial course of action. I had a back injury at work, years ago, and the Worker's Comp. physician prescribed rest, a neck brace and eventually massage and ultrasound therapy. After the four weeks of that treatment I still knew that I needing something else, after a second opinion, I went to physical therapy that involved stretching and progressive amounts of weight lifting and massage. I had much better results with the active therapy than with the passive therapy. I now have plantar fascia, which is a tear in the tendon in the heel of my foot and currently I am in a cast. I understand what a bummer it is when you can not train, but hang in there, follow the Doc's advice and do not ever hesitate to get a second opinion after a reasonable amount of time. It's your body and you know it better than anyone else, so take care of it. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:35:19 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Customs and Traditions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Family The vast changes that have swept Asia and the rest of the world in the latter half of the 20th century have naturally been felt in the day-to-day lifestyle of every Korean. Traditional customs and mores have undergone a great deal of change due to the rapid modernization of society. Despite these changes, however, there are those who still maintain that Korea, for all its high-rise buildings, is still one of the most Confucian nations in the world. The traditional ways of the past and the long-cherished customs continue to influence Koreans' newly acquired modern ways. In the past, several generations often lived together, and many children were desired for the future stability and security of the family. It was not unusual for the number of people sharing one house to total a dozen people or more. In recent years, however, the move to urban areas and the popularity of new apartment-type housing have meant that newly married couples tend to live on their own instead of sharing quarters with other family members. This trend has given rise to an increasing number of nuclear families in Korea. Traditionally, the eldest male of a family was regarded as the source of supreme authority. All family members were expected to do what was ordered or desired by him. Strict instructions were to be obeyed without protest. It would have been unthinkable for children or grandchildren to place themselves in opposition to the wishes of their elders. Obedience to one's superior was deemed natural; in addition, filial piety in particular was viewed as the most revered of all Confucian virtues. On the other hand, it was understood that the patriarch of the family would be fair in all matters relating to the discipline of family members. The adage that a man must first seek his own development and manage his family properly before he can seek to govern others reflects the principle tenet behind the ideal of the Confucian social order. Under this system, man has traditionally been given the responsibility of representing, supporting and protecting his family. If he cannot wield this power and exercise his leadership role wisely, he loses face as the head of the family. Order at home is maintained through the principle of hierachy in which children must obey parents, the wife the husband, the servants the master. Reverence and respect for one's elders is a long-held social tradition in Korea. There are many monuments throughout Korea commemorating loyal subjects, filial sons and faithful women. These monuments were erected as a way of honoring such people as models of society. Community service and spirit were also nurtured and promoted by the social recognition given to those who adhered to family values, the social order, loyalty, filial piety and fidelity. The Korean people have always attached particular importance to the concept of fidelity. Widows, despite the fact that their husbands died young, were encouraged to be faithful by obediently serving her husband's parents and not remarrying. In some cases, girls whose husbands-to-be died during the engagement period were pressured not to marry. Such behavior was admired and many communities erected stone monuments recognizing these virtuous wives for displaying such loyal attributes. Monuments to, and stories about, filial sons and daughters abound as well. This is because the traditional family consciousness expresses itself in filial piety, attaching the most importance to the father-son relationship. Parents are the absolute authority, to be accorded strict obedience and respect. However, filial piety extends not only to the relationship with one's parents, but also one's conduct toward others as well as one's conduct in society. Traditionally, the concept of filial piety was even reflected in Korean speech. The Korean language is endowed with a complicated and elaborate honorific system. Depending upon who the speaker is talking to, different word and verb usages are applied, which accurately reflect his or her social standing with regard to the listener. In earlier days, a common type of Korean house was a rectangular, L or U-shaped single-story structure, built primarily of wood and clay. The roof was not high and was thatched with straw or, for the more well-to-do, roof-tiles. The simplest form of the typical Korean house consisted of a living room, a sleeping room and a kitchen, with the toilet set apart and away from the living quarters. The structure and size differed according to the size of the family, the range of social acquaintences and wealth. A larger house would consist of the main family quarters at the center, a closet, a maid's room, a barn and a toilet at the side. Toward the front part of the inner yard were quarters for the master of the house and for male guests; adjoining the gate was a room for servants. Today it would be difficult to point out a "typical" Korean house, for nearly all recent structures are of concrete or ferroconcrete construction. Though not widely recognized, this change, from predominantly wood structures to largely concrete structures, entails a subtle yet far-reaching transformation in the lifestyles of Koreans. The individual Korean house, old or new, is built to protect its inhabitants from outside elements. Generally speaking, it is somewhat low, with relatively small rooms and not many doors or windows. Some of the rooms have ondol floors which are heated from under the floor. This system of heating is so ingrained in Korean life that even the most fashionable, Western-style houses built in recent years are, with few exceptions, provided with a few rooms that are heated through the floor. Likewise, many Koreans still prefer to sit and sleep on cushions and thick mats on the floor. In a traditional Korean home, there is little furniture and seating is on the floor. Bedrooms and dining rooms were not distinguished; a living room also functioned as a sleeping and eating room. The room (anbang) used by the women of the house was located at the back of the house and was used as a place for family gatherings. Not surprisingly, this room was also equipped with wardrobes, bedding and other domestic paraphernalia. The master of the house, by contrast, inhabited the front part (sarangbang) of the house which was also used as a reception room for guests. If he was an educated man, his rooms were equipped with a desk, shelves, books and a few cushions. Normally, he retired to his wife's room for the night. The traditional Korean dress, called hanbok, is more comfortable and suitable to the traditional ondol lifestyle. Still today, many Koreans, particularly men, put on these traditional clothes when returning home in the evening from work. Western-style dress is usually reserved as outdoor wear. However, on special holidays like Chuseok and New Year's Day, the entire family dress up in their finest hanbok. Mealtimes at home bring the entire family together. The main dish is rice to which japgok or grains such as barley, millet and/or a variety of beans are often added. Soup is always served and kimchi, a spicy, fermented cabbage, is invariably a side dish. Soy sauce, dried pepper, red pepper paste and doenjang, or bean paste, are used for seasoning. Koreans like traditional rice-based wine and enjoy drinks before meals. Entertaining guests with traditional wine is customary. Although the repeated request to fill up an empty or half-empty glass might be viewed as an annoyance by a Westerner, Koreans who are not asked to fill their cup frequently would think it very rude on the part of the host. Reciprocity in sharing wine in a congenial atmosphere is important to Koreans. During these gatherings, the hierarchy of social relations between members of the party is still maintained. Younger members or inferiors are not allowed to drink or smoke in front of their superiors. Customs Among Kinship Groups Among Koreans there is a strong bond between relatives and clan members. Adhering to traditional family-centered principles, the extended family in Korea is the first place to which people turn when they find themselves in trouble. In the past, brothers often lived in the same household after marriage and, in some cases, even cousins occupied the same house. Although such large families living under one roof together are rare these days, family members often reside in the same neighborhood and maintain frequent contact. Those who live far away tend to get together on special occasions such as a relative's marriage, the 60th or 70th birthday, the birthday of a child, and on traditional holidays. At such times everyone pitches in to assist with preparations for the ceremony. Respect for one's ancestors is central to the family clan system. Special memorial services for great-great-grandparents are conducted in the home on the anniversary of their deaths, between 1 a.m. and 2 a.m. For the fifth generation or beyond, services are held once a year, on Chuseok (the Harvest Moon Festival), the 15th day of the Eighth Moon, or on a selected auspicious day. On this day, descendants gather at the ancestral tomb to perform ceremonial rites. This memorial service is such an important event that even distant family members travel long distances to participate. Clan members often take advantage of these gatherings to hold an annual conference. A clan that has many branches and members may divide into smaller units, each establishing a common coffer and property. The conference is organized to decide and implement policies of common interest such as the maintenance of ancestral tombs and the management of clan properties. Koreans maintain a great reverence for their family history and meticulously record and update these genealogical records, which in many cases, go back several dozens of generations. They also minutely record official ranks, achievements, royal citations, the localities of tombs and other information. When meeting for the first time, Koreans of the same family name must first decide whether they are members of the same clan. If so, they must consult the genealogy to find how closely they are related. Should one of them belongs to an older generation, respect must be shown through the use of honorifics as well as certain usages of words that imply that the two persons are members of the same clan. from korea.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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