Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #145 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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(Ken McDonough) 3. George=the basement is complete;McD's workout area (Ken McDonough) 4. Re: Sciatica (Chosondo@aol.com) 5. Subject: [The_Dojang] Sciatica (Randall Sexton) 6. Those Korean words you wanted... (Anthony or Clare Boyd) 7. The gentler side of training... (Wallaces9@cs.com) 8. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #121 -#2 msg "Dojang in a Mall" (ramon Navarro) 9. Request for articles (Tony) 10. CHON Jae-kyu, good news (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Korea jobs (spunkykvf) 12. Re: Korea jobs (spunkykvf) 13. Traditional Dance and Music (Ray Terry) 14. Korean Beliefs and Religion (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:20:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sciatic pain Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been fortunate enough to never run across this personally, but I had an older student that had severe bouts of pain related to this problem and nothing seemed to help. One night we were visited by a friend of mine from across the water that is an accupuncturist by trade, and one session was enough to completely control the pain from that day on. J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thanks Mary Braud; the McD man is serious here ! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mary Braud, thanks for this comment: To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Organization: Federal Express Subject: [The_Dojang] McD... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. McD, I look forward to each and every one of your emails. They all make me smile, and sometimes, a few truths can be uncovered when you brush aside all the funny stuff. All people read things through their OWN filters. And if some of those filters are conditioned to read things a certain way, well.., that's what makes us human. You cannot be responsible or take responsibility as to how someone will interpret something, especially on a bulletin board like this. Ray, I'm glad you don't filter everything of Ken's, because all that TKD, HKD, Aikido, etc stuff can get mighty repetitious at times. Thanks McD for keeping us dames and gents on our toes, and helping us to redefine our sense of humor!! ~Mary > Well, "I think I am now gonna go to the couch...", and pour me a nice > drink, > ,put on some Frank and Dino records, and think of the good old days when a > guy was a guy, and a girl was a _____. > > Cheerio, > > McD...> Response: Sincerely appreciate your comments above. While I freely admit that I sometimes almost cross the line, I try to drop back and punt when tempers flair. Most of my seemingly absurd comments do have some reference points, e.g., the quote above about "going to the couch" was from Dean Martin on his show where he played a boozer. Despite my ramblings one thing I am certain, since age 16 I have been fascinated with the martial arts. Now, I will not say that my life has been one of an angel, but martial arts always kept me from crossing the line into a world I may not have lived to talk about. And there is a hint of truth about New York wise guys (the HBO series is filmed near my neighborhood, and I lived in Howard Beach, NY, home of the Teflon Don Gatti), late night binges, flea bag hotels, seedy backstreet Asian countries, and roosters waking me up in a bamboo shack somewhere in a province in the Philippines. My mother was German, my father Irish, my godmother Italian, and my step dad, Jewish. Why do you think I am mixed up ! I know a little Yiddish, Italian, but not Gaelic (although my Grandmother from Boston used it when cursing customers in her Irish Bar in Southie, Boston). The chauvinistic yarn was straight from an Andrew Dice Clay monologue and his humor was essentially shock humor. Throw in a little DeNiro from one of his first movies, "Mean Streets" (e.g., "Your a mook"= people fought in that movie over that word when it had absolutely no meaning, it was made up),add a few lines from grade B martial arts movies, and bingo= another storyline emerges. Of course if you review Cagney and Bogart movies, along with the Bowery Boys series you get the use of the term "Broads and Dames." Then throw in the recent Rat Pack movie, and you add the word "Chick." After all, I did not make this stuff up. Just shows how far we have come in a few decades. Admittedly, I like Pork Pie and Stetson hats, 57 Chevys, and 67 Chevelles SS. Toss in a certain attitude,a pack of cigarettes rolled up on your t-shirt, and there ya go. I guess I should add those cute smiley faces in my paragraphs. But then, like my comedian idol, the late Andy Kaufman, readers would know I was not serious. That takes away from the gag (s). Hey, I figure at my age, I got 10 good years left while the body and mind are still working. So I gotta go for the gusto. When I start walking around with one of those walkers and have saliva dripping down my mouth, and I lost all my appetites (should I mention libido), then I will be serious. Sorry folks, I am a product of the 60's and 70's when boundaries were tested. Well, back to martial arts tales. Is it true Jackie Chan was a stunt man in Bruce Lee's movie, Enter the Dragon ? Peace, McD... "I'll be Back !" Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] George=the basement is complete;McD's workout area Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George, man, like Sally Fields said, "You like me, you really like me...", and you have me blushing with this comment: To: Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Sciatica Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:36:09 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Ray, Sorry to hear about your back. But please do seek another opinion. I had 6 MD's tell me I needed knee surgery in 2000 and then found one who said no and gave me 3 of those nasty injections. But they worked! Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul PS. Remember 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom 1/2 of their class..." Pain is just weakness leaving your body! I don't think many doc's now recommend bedrest. Nice gentle stretching is great and I now rarely have back pain and even then only for a few hours after straining it. And of course shiatsu works great! I'll post some stretches later; got to go eat and watch "Survivor." Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" To: Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:42:43 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Those Korean words you wanted... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cheree, I doubt these spellings will help much but here are the words you asked about: Silence: chim mook (in Korean there is no short i sound so the i in chim is a brief long e) Beauty: ahrum da-oom (here the u in ahrum would sound like a disgusted eww) Slowly: chon chon he Anthony Boyd www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Wallaces9@cs.com Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:26:13 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] The gentler side of training... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all No bar fights or encounters with pug-uglies to recount here...I think my life has more in common with Mr Burdick's :) To that end, my wife and I just expanded our family from 'just the two of us' to 'we three'. She's got some questions for the more experienced parenting crowd: 1. Her doctor told her lay off 6 weeks (post C-section) before doing any strenuous exercise - I think TKD falls into that category :) - what did you or your partner (as appropriate) do to get back into shape? 2. Any breastfeeding moms on the list? Stacey's intending to go 9mo to a year and wants some advice about protection or any experiences women have had about the intersection of breastfeeding and TKD lifestyles. If you don't feel comfortable relating stories like that in a public forum, could you please write her at wallacesNOSPAM9@cs.com John Wallace 1st gup, TKD Fremont, CA ps - obviously to get a valid email to her you'll need to trim out the anti-spam munge in the email address I gave...I wonder if that trick's even effective anymore... --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: ramon Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: KACraneTKD@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #121 -#2 msg "Dojang in a Mall" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi KACrane and be blessed.This is Ramon Navarro from the country of Panama; I have been taching Hapkido for 24 years now and I think you got a great deal and keep it up to make your Academy get to grow as much as you can.you minght have to get to have your partners to open theyr minds to get to be sicessfull you will need to take risks. 'HAP' --- the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." Message: 2 From: KACraneTKD@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:19:11 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CC: TKDDNDC@aol.com, SAmalfitan@aol.com, KCrane8063@aol.com, DeeGC64@aol.com, RK369@aol.com, smark@b-2000.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojang In A Mall Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anybody ever had a dojang in their local mall? I don't mean a strip-mall," I mean an actual mall. If you had one or are currently in one, what have been your experiences...both good and bad? Any information about your experiences would be appreciated. Reason being, I have four other partners. We had an opportunity to get a 2,500 SF space in a local mall for $4.16 per SF plus utilities. This equates to $600 monthly plus the utilities. Other similar sized space elsewhere in our county runs between $2,000 - $4,500 per month. The mall lost some stores and seemed eager to fill the space, perhaps anticipating that we might bring in a lot of kids whose families would probably spend money at the mall while waiting for classes to be over. Believe me when I tell you I really had to work this situation to get the offer! Keep in mind that it's not the best or biggest mall locally, but a mall nonetheless. The price was extremely reasonable (as reflected above) and appeared to be a good business decision. Unfortunately, three partners didn't like the idea for various reasons (younger men in their early to mid 20's), while my other partner and I (both 41) could see the value and potential of such a location. We've currently been operating p/t in a local health club with a limited schedule, little room for growth, and they take half the tuition. Sorry to ramble...just a little disappointed in my young friends' lack of open mindedness and vision. Any responses would be appreciated. _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Tony To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 14 Mar 2002 12:43:04 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Request for articles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I'm putting together a website at the moment, and I have a request for the erstwhile and helpful members of this group... Martial arts is a passion that I'd like to dedicate a goodly part of the site to; However, I do not have the experience and wisdom required to write anything worth putting into the public domain! So, I thought The_Dojang members might like to contribute: I would like to feature articles dealing with people's personal opinions of, and experiences with, the arts. Instead of yet another website detailing the Taeguek poomse, or the minutiae of yet another organisation, I'd like the site to be far-ranging, and with a "personal touch" if you know what I mean. Write something about the subject you feel most passionate about! I'm happy to publish anything that's interesting (and not only what _I_ find interesting), and all authors would of course get full credit. Doesn't have to be KMAs; I'd love to have, say, an article on firearms (judging from recent issues, people have strong opinions on this subject!) Pictures welcome too! Tony P.S. I'm currently studying TKD at a small academy in London, England. Quite an interesting curriculum actually, my instructor was a former boxer (Western boxing), and our lessons tend to mix boxing and TKD. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 7:36:01 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] CHON Jae-kyu, good news Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is reported to us by Hanmudo's Dr. He-Young Kimm that Master CHON Jae-kyu is alive and well. Master Chon is the President of the Korea Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan Association in Seoul. It had been reported to me during a trip to Florida back in June that Master Chon had passed on to that great dojang in the sky. I didn't think so at that time, but when I didn't hear from Master Chon over the Christmas holidays I thought perhaps.?.?. Anyway, I had a chance to chat with Dr. Kimm at Master West's Hapkido seminar a couple weeks ago and asked him about Master Chon. Dr. Kimm checked into this and passed the good news along to Master West yesterday that Chon Jae-kyu was in fact alive and well, and we're glad for that... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:58:51 -0800 From: spunkykvf To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korea jobs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In an old Digest, there was a website address given for possible jobs teaching English in S. Korea. It turns out that my spouse and I are interested in having such an adventure, but when I went on to the website, there was a spot for jobs and resume sending, but no way to click on it. I emailed their webmaster, but heard nothing back. I was wondering whether anyone, esp Ray as he was the informant in this old Digest, knew of that problem, or had not had that when they looked at the site: Koreatips.net? If anyone knows about this, I would appreciate any info. You can email me at my address. spunkykvf@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:03:32 -0800 From: spunkykvf To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korea jobs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok, turns out the problem was fixed, so my prior msg can be ignored. Spunky --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 8:49:04 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Traditional Dance and Music Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Museum's Weekend Shows to Highlight Traditional Dance and Music March 14, 2002 National Folk Museum The National Folk Museum's regular weekend performances will feature a traditional dance performance on Saturday (March 16) and a group of female singers accompanied by gayageum, a 12-stringed traditional zither, on Sunday (March 17). The Saturday show will present a solo performance of Choi Gong-ju, a principal dancer of the Incheon City Traditional Dance Troupe. Choi will give a program of court dance numbers such as "chunaeng-jon" and "janggo" (double-barreled drum) dance along with folk dance acts including "salpuri," a solo dance performed by a female dancer to exorcise evil spirits. It will provide an opportunity to appreciate a variety of traditional dances. On Sunday, about thirteen female singers including the award-winning singer Park Ok-wha will present a variety of songs with the accompaniment of gayageum. Further information is available from Mr. Ui Chol at 734-1341 (Seoul). --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 9:20:28 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Beliefs and Religion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korean Beliefs and Religion Introduction In the ancient past, Koreans had a deep fondness for the country's picturesque landscape of mountains and rivers. In addition to this attachment to the land, they developed a love for their fellow tribal members who shared the same territory and long history. Indeed, one of the most outstanding aspects of the Korean character is the deeply rooted sense of homogeneity. From ancient times, Koreans have proudly referred to themselves as a distinct people, a concept which implies several specific ideas. First, Koreans think of themselves as a consanguineous community of descendants from a single common ancestor. Second, they see themselves as a linguistic community united by a single language. Third, they consider themselves to be a community embodying a unique culture. Fourth, they are united geographically as a group that has lived on the Korean Peninsula since ancient times. Fifth, they are united by the common experiences of a community which has survived millenniums of invasions and external pressures. Koreans have maintained this multifaceted identity as a people throughout their extensive history. As a result, they have never felt the need to distinguish between people and nation. This notion of people and nation as an inseparable unity does not exist in neighboring nations such as China and Japan, and of course is rarely seen in the West. To this extent, Korean's traditional character is truly unique. >From ancient to modern times, the Korean people have been subject to countless invasions from the mighty peoples and nations that have surrounded them. In the areas adjacent to Korea, there have been many powerful nations that have risen to power within similar conditions, only to fade into history. Unlike these nations, Koreans have somehow managed to maintain a unique culture and identity, and this identity as a distinct people has served as a protective force against invaders throughout Korean tumultuous history. As a people at the eastern end of the Eurasian continent, Koreans have, since ancient times, formed their culture through active contacts and positive adaptations of the diverse cultures of the continent. For example, Korea's exuberant bronze culture was introduced not only from nearby China, but also from far away Scythia. In this way, Korea was exposed to cultural elements from the migration of peoples on the Eurasian continent and the consequent exchanges between East and West. Hence from the remote past, the Korean people attempted to harmonize and combine two conflicting perspectives: the exclusive ideal of a unique people and an openness toward the world's diverse cultures. The Korean mind thus embraces a certain ambivalence. On the one hand, it is affected by the sense of exclusiveness inherent in the concept of a unique people. On the other hand, it is characterized by a positive and open attitude towards new cultural elements. This complex attitude stems from Korea's long historic experience and is already clearly evident during the Three Kingdoms (Goguryeo, Baekje and Shilla). As each of these three monarchies was established, they adopted Chinese writing in order to administer their respective domains. In spite of this positive introduction of Chinese culture, each kingdom was politically independent of China. At times, the kingdoms even cooperated in order to drive Chinese forces away from the Korean Peninsula. This ambivalent attitude towards outside cultures remained during the Goryeo and Joseon periods, and is commonly seen in modern-day Korean culture as well. Hence from ancient times, exclusiveness and inclusiveness as well as conservatism and liberality have coexisted and it is this unique ability to negotiate these contradictory extremes that has defined the Korean character. Within the Korean mind-set, these seemingly contrary elements are considered to be complementary, and their harmonization is thus looked at as life's ideal. It is within this context that Korea's classical thinkers have put forth their philosophy, and Korea's religious thinkers have carried out their faith. [to be continued] --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest