Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 02:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #157 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Demos with Flair (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. North Korean agents (Ray Terry) 4. "Mass Attack" (J. R. West) 5. Question for Mr. Pratt (Ray Terry) 6. Cavemen (Rudy Timmerman) 7. changes ? (Ray Terry) 8. Re: OMD, L.Ac., TCM (Chosondo@aol.com) 9. USTU Licensing Seminars (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:24:40 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Open Tourney Memories Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 15:22 3/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >Master West, > >Thanks for the laugh and the trip down memory lane. I needed that this >morning. >Reminds me of one guy the black belt weapons division that knocked himself >cold, >I mean fell like a cut tree with his own nunchaka in a solo form. Then in >another weapons division, there was the ninja guy in a full black uniform >including mask. When they called his name, everyone was looking around, they >were about to go on to the next competitor when he came sneaking around >the end >of the bleachers and out across the floor in a John Belushi type(Animal House) >stealth walk, did a double nunchaka form, then all of a sudden at the end >threw >the nunchakas away a grabbed a very realistic looking Government Model .45 >from >his uniform and fired 3 caps at the judges. All I can say is man those guys >could run, but I don't think they were impressed with his demo. By the way, I >would buy a copy of that book so maybe there is a market beyond your schools. > >Thanks >Danny Dunn Well, I could laugh at some of these folks, but in October I gave my self a black eye with the hilt of my sai doing an open pattern... But at least I didn't knock myself out... :-) And I finished second to last in my division... I did go on to win the sparring division though, so I wasn't hurt TOO bad... :-) One of our students reported that at last year's Bluegrass Nationals in Kentucky a kid (he would have been 13-14) attempted an aerial on his way up to introduce himself to the judges and landed on his head, knocking himself woozy, but not out. At least he had the common sense not to ask why he finished last... :-) And yes, I would buy the book too... :-) <> - Bert Edens 1st Degree Recommended, Level 2 Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:41:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Demos with Flair Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good stories folks! The only one I've seen that even come close to your stories is from a couple years back. When Gary Alexander demonstrated a knife strip technique, the dinner knife standing in for the real thing was propelled 20 feet away against the wall, striking just between the heads of two bystanders. Gary's comment was, "The last time I did that, it was with a Kabar and it stuck in the wall." For those who don't know him, Gary is an Isshin-ryu karate competitor from the 1960s and 1970s. When I saw him, he was wearing a black gi, combat boots, and a .45 in a shoulder holster inside his gi jacket. Yours in the arts, Dakin --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:02:17 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] North Korean agents Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 150 North Korean Agents Chasing Defectors in China Korea Times By Seo Soo-min Staff Reporter North Korea has dispatched 150 officials to China to conduct an all-out search for North Korean defectors with Chinese authorities, a Christian missionary there said yesterday. Yerang Mission, quoting a Tuesday letter from its missionary in China, said that Chinese and North Korean officials have launched an all-out campaign to root out North Korean defectors. "Truckloads of arrested defectors are being deported to North Korea against their will several times a day," reported the missionary, whose name was not revealed. After allowing the 25 defectors to go to South Korea last week after they stormed into the Spanish Embassy in Beijing, China has indicated that it will tighten its border control. The Beijing government also informed Seoul that it will crack down on nongovernmental organizations and religious groups that are helping the asylum seekers. "Searches of missionaries have been reinforced," the letter from China read. Yelang Mission, led by Rev. Kim Young-shik, has operated missionary programs in China and North Korea since 1994, and claims that it has built dozens of underground churches in the North. The missionary who originally sent the letter could not be contacted to give further accounts, a Yelang staff member said. Most of the North Korean defectors in China, who are estimated by the government to number between 20,000 to 30,000, have gone into hiding amid the stepped-up searches since last week. The 25 North Koreans arrived in Seoul Monday after a three-night transit stop in Manila. They are now undergoing questioning by authorities and are expected to be placed in an education facility that will help them adjust to South Korean society. "Some people here have also expressed worry that the tightened security will affect their kin who are trying to get here from China," said an official at Hanawon, the facility located in Ansong, south of Seoul, where defectors go through a two-month course. "No refugee problem exists between China and North Korea" said Chinese Ambassador to Seoul Li Bin yesterday, repeating his government's official line. China and North Korea are close allies. North Korean defectors in China usually travel to Southeast Asian countries or Mongolia to enter South Korea, which is a lengthy and also costly process. Once the defectors enter the South, they are each given upwards of 37 million won in settlement money and receive South Korean citizenship. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:49:12 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] "Mass Attack" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am a 2nd Dan in TKD and have never heard of this form... can you > elaborate? Welcome to the club, I have only had the misfortune of being forced to watch it on one occasion, and that was enough. Imagine if you will, that a person begins a form under the north goal of a 94 ft. basketball court, and somehow ends the form facing 90 degrees to right of where he started, and in the far corner of the south end. That is "Mass Attack" (if I am to believe my eyes). The person in question showed up during black belt weapons and announced that he would attempt "Mass Attack - Sword", and ended up in the same place. Whether or not he did the same movements is unclear, as I was too transfixed on the weirdness of it all to pay any attention to the details.......I think he may have made it up.....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:51:32 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Question for Mr. Pratt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe that Andrew is studying Aikido (and a bit of HDGD) in Korea??? Andrew, is it possible for you to tell how/if your instructor's Aikido teaching has been influenced by the Hapkido around you? Have you had a chance to visit any Aikido dojos in Japan or elsewhere to compare the Aikido in Korea with the Aikido outside the country? Just curious. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:56:12 -0500 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cavemen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > The current urban legend is that these two personalities come out of their > caves twice a year and should they see each other one may expect a minimum > of two days of discomfort. Hello Bruce: I think this should read: " should YOU see them etc. etc". BTW, Kat is a lady, and she has already met JR at the last seminar (and survived). On the entire piece, I think you and Ken should write a book together, I did not know you had it in you:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:55:44 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] changes ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those teaching out there... How has your approach to teaching KMA or MA changed over the years? What do you do differently now from years previous? What experience, or ahh-haa, brought about that change? If I ask three more questions can I change my name to Bruce? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:36:31 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: OMD, L.Ac., TCM Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Terry: Titles such as OMD, DOM, D.Ac. or L.Ac. are arbitary. There are no real OMD's or DOM's here in the U.S. Those were educated in China or Korea in 6-10 year programs are granted this title by academic achievement. Since there are no schools in the U.S. currently approved by the U.S. Dept of Education to grant a doctorate of any kind in this field. Therefore, those who apend this title to their names do so on their own accord. Further, some states legislatively grant some of the above-mentioned titles, but they are not based on academic achievement. Schools in the U.S. currently grant the MS degree. The good news is the doctorate was recently approved as the terminal degree in this field. By this Fall a few schools would be approved to offer this degree. So, to answer your question, there is no real difference between OMD, DOM, D.Ac. L.Ac. any other title with respect to their clinical skills. I hope I have answered your questions. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster ICF --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:48:01 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] USTU Licensing Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo Master Instructor Seminars hosted by the USTU. 2002 Master Instructor Licensing Seminar Schedule for levels 4th Dan through 9th Dan. March 15-16 in Los Angeles, CA May 3-4 in New York, NY August 16-17 in Colorado Springs, CO October 11-12 in Dallas, TX For an application call Christine Simmons at the USTU on 719-578-4632 or email her at ustugold@aol.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest