Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:21:41 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #158 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re:Arthritis (Steverts@aol.com) 2. Thank you (Braeswood Martial Arts) 3. RE: He's not "old", he's "well-seasoned" (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. RE: Certification Program Advertised (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. Re: Point Sparring (F Pitt) 6. Teaching Changes (Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)) 7. RE: Open Tourney Memories (Creed71963@aol.com) 8. Re: Re: Point Sparring (Ray Terry) 9. Re: One Guys' Story (Bruce Sims) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Steverts@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:34:12 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Arthritis Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Another treatment for arthritis that you might want to look into is the use of digestive enzymes (which would usually be taken with meals) taken between meals (on an empty stomach). I first read about this a year ago and tried it on one of my dogs who suffers occasionally from joint pain. He's been doing fine ... seems to be pain free. There are some books out there on enzyme therapy which can explain this more than I can. Good luck Steve --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:26:47 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank you Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Mr. Timmerman, Kat --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:43:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: He's not "old", he's "well-seasoned" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: ".....I think this should read: " should YOU see them etc. etc". BTW, Kat is a lady, and she has already met JR at the last seminar (and survived)....." My best guess is that I am about to get a first-hand experience with this in a couple of weeks, yes? Sorry I missed Erie, PA. I suspect that Kevin explained what happend. Looking forward to Minnesota. No hard feelings about the wise-crack, right? Right?? As long as I am un-gracefully pulling my size 10 out of my mouth, apologies to Kat as well. I have been advocating for blue posts for male contributors and pink posts for the gals but these have been back-ordered along with my day-glo orange do-bok with the sequin dragon on the back and some gen-u-wine Lucite Korean nunchukas from North Carolina. ;-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:52:25 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Certification Program Advertised Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "....How has your approach to teaching KMA or MA changed over the years? What do you do differently now from years previous? What experience, or ahh-haa, brought about that change? If I ask three more questions can I change my name to Bruce?....." I am currently working on a certification program in KMA QUESTION-ASKING replete with a cheesy cert., uniform patch, and subscription to Inquiry/Sleep-study lectures available at low rates. For the convenience of those interested, students may submit a 1-hr video of your best talk-them-to-sleep techniques. I must advise you, however, that I will not consider submissions in which it takes long than 15 minutes to send your mark --- er--- partner to La-La-land. After all, I must hold to my standards. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:14:47 -0800 From: F Pitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Point Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cheree, Thanks for the response about point sparring. I will attempt the string of words on the search engine. We sparred last night and I left so frustrated that I'm debating on getting into the competition. For one, when we spar, it is only like 3 minutes long with frequent interruptions. We learn all these techniques, but we don't seem to learn much on how to actually use them in sparring (especially since we rarely spar). I practice, practice, practice forms and techniques each day, then when I get to spar (for say a whole 2-3 min round), I'm clueless on how to actually put my learning together to make points. I can always depend on my roundhouse kick to the head to land a point, but otherwise, my sparring pretty much sucks (i think) because we just don't get taught how to. I'm thinking of breaking down and buying a sparring video from Master He Il Cho since I've found his forms books/videos quite useful. I may ask a friend from the dojang to practice sparring on some weekend perhaps. Does anyone get a great deal of teaching on how to actually spar? I feel confident in being able to defend myself in an actual fighting situation, but it's just not the same as actually sparring for points since there are guidelines/rules to follow. I'm frustrated with this whole sparring thing! > You will seldom find "point sparring" matches on TV. Your best bet is to try > placing a string of words in an online search engine... > > Try this (the entire string, including quotations and + signs) > > "karate" + "video" + "free" > > or > > "karate" + "video" + "free" + "fighting" > > You will probably have to weed through a number of sites that are either > attempting to sell videos or that offer free shipping for them...but I have > used a similar string of words to find video clips...If I come across any of > the sites I have been to, I will post them on the DD. > > Our site: > www.cskimkarate.com AND www.cskimkaratebloomfield.com will have the fighting > video clips up and running soon, but probably not in time for your tournament. > > Good Luck...Fight Smart, not Hard! > -Cheree > > -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bouloutian, Andy (CAP, GEFA)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:37:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Changes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<>>> Little more than 5 years ago I totally changed my teaching style. Before my change, I kept a large barrier between me and the students and taught in a rather traditional fashion....ie could be too harsh sometimes if students did not work to my expectations of them. My change involved me being more personable with the students and reducing the barrier between me and them. I started "high fiveing" students in class when they did well. Further, I learned to add a little comedy to my criticism instead of just straight out criticism. At first I felt really strange with my experimental teaching method but as time went by I have become very comfortable with it. Further, I think the new method allows a greater percentage of students to achieve a greater skill than older traditional way. As for the reason I changed teaching methods.....before I started my own dojang, I was teaching at my master's dojang. While I was there I was watching a black that came from another school trying to teach some students a form. The black belt was big and not nice at all....consequently the student were scared of him and just could not perform. After thinking about it for a time, I figured that even though the students were not scared of me in the same way, I thought I could still improve my teaching results so I made the change. When I made the change, some of the more dedicated students initially did not like my new teaching methods however in the end everyone in my instructors school and my own students, like my teaching style. To tell you the truth.....I cant believe I am still teaching this way but it works and that's what counts. Master Andy Bouloutian --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:38:51 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Open Tourney Memories Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>And yes, I would buy the book too... :-) <> - Bert Edens 1st Degree Recommended, Level 2 Springdale, Arkansas<< I would buy it too- just to see what silliness I'ved missed by not going to some of these tourneys...... Craig R. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Point Sparring To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 9:26:30 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >.... We sparred last night and I left so frustrated that I'm debating >on getting into the competition. For one, when we spar, it is only like 3 >minutes long with frequent interruptions. We learn all these techniques, but we >don't seem to learn much on how to actually use them in sparring (especially since >we rarely spar). I practice, practice, practice forms and techniques each day, >then when I get to spar (for say a whole 2-3 min round), I'm clueless on how >to actually put my learning together to make points. One big ahh-haa for me was when I finally began to flow, putting single techniques together to form combinations. Being able to reflexively change the techniques in those combinations based on the reaction of the opponent. Seems like a light just finally comes on. But I, too, have a problem with the point sparring approach of interrupting the action to see if a point is scored. The competition should continue, be non-stop, not stop after every encounter to ask the judges which player scored. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:19:59 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: One Guys' Story Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....How has your approach to teaching KMA or MA changed over the years? What do you do differently now from years previous? What experience, or ahh-haa, brought about that change?......" Those who are familiar with my background know the story, but it is worth repeating and sharing here if it helps some person who intends to teach MA/MT as they consider their approach. I remember quite clearly the day that MA training changed for me for all time. The exact name of the individual and the dates are not as important. The personage was a Master of very high standing in the international Hapkido community, a 10th Dan and head of his own international organization. We are not talking about some schmuck teaching out of a garage or basement, are someone who organized an art of his own out of spare parts. To make this even more fantastic, I flew in from Chicago to participate in a weekend BB Intensive to find that I was the only person to show-up! Two full days with an international Hapkido figure--- all to myself!! Think about it. What would you give to have someone like GM Ji, GM Seo or GM Lee all to yourself---breakfast, lunch and dinner--- for a weekend!?! For at least the entire morning of that Saturday I was in a kind of shock. But that was OK because I was getting 1:1 instruction in soh bong techniques which had never been covered before. The first clouds came at lunch. Yes, Ray, I started asking questions. The subject, of course, had to do with how the soh bong techniques fit into the curriculum and whether it would be a problem introducing more material to what was already a pretty large curriculum. The response was that it didn't matter as my teacher had decided to cut all of his instruction in half (ie. If there were fifty techniques, he would only teach 25) The rationale he stated was that American students did not have the persistence or commitment to learn all that he had to teach. Probably not a good thing to say to a student who has made a life out of teaching. Things continued to fall apart. The certificates on the wall, even high-up, for 8th and 9th Dan displayed the signature of a Hapkido personality long held up to derision. Material was presented matter-of-factly and accurately, but without insight of explanation. (Remember, this is a BB intensive, not some gueppy-and-everybody-c'mon-in seminar.) By the time the middle of the second day had rolled around it was pretty plain that the individual with whom I had allied myself in 1990 was not-at-all who I thought he was. Simple questions about relationships, circumstances, and development whether to do with techniques, history or people invoked longer silences and increased defensiveness and evasion. By the time I caught my plain out of California back to Chicago the rosey, romantic KMA glasses I had been wearing were nowhere to be found. In the two or three years after that, and seeing clearer now, I picked-up on things I had missed before. *The "kumdo" that was taught was "kendo" using Korean terminology. *The ke-bon-su comprised of ten basic techniques were repeated ad nauseum throughout the curriculum until students were no longer able to differentiate between techniques specific to one rank or another. *Attempts to address issues falling attendence at seminars with some novel approaches to encouraging schools rather than just individuals to attend elicited a particularly mean-spirited response and probably was instrumental in ousting me from the organization. The most painful experience was that I had been working on the DOCHANG JOURNAL project and had solicited GM's approval, support, and cooperation. Rather than viewing this as a contribution to Yon Mu Kwan Hapkido, my way of giving back--- and for which I asked of him no compensation or solicited an assumption of any risk-- and after an initial lukewarm reception, I got a phonecall one day from someone I barely knew asking me if I knew that a letter had been published ousting me from the organization of which I was a member. You have asked me if I have had an "ah-ha" that has changed the way I teach and for your sin you have been rewarded with this tome. Sorry about the bandwidth. But heres' the good news. My students get absolutely the straight dope, at all times. Whatever research I do they get the immediate benefit of that as it is readily incoporated into the classes. They get to see me warts-&-all, with no excuses, no romanticism, no games, and no illusions. They get the best I have to give and no stories about what I could do when I was younger/meaner/tougher/whatever. So here endith one guys' story. Best Wishes (and arncha glad U assed), Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest