Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #164 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Book review (ABurrese@aol.com) 4. Re: Sparring and crybabies (F Pitt) 5. Ground Zero Update (Ray Terry) 6. Re: Gurhkas & TKD (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Brief Overview of Choson Kwon Bup (Chosondo@aol.com) 8. Re: Re: Brief Overview of Choson Kwon Bup (Ray Terry) 9. Bungee-jumping (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:00:12 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Acupressure Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Randal, do you or anyone on this list know anything about the accupressure course advertised inmost martial arts magazines? web site is http://www.g-jo.com/." You send me the $247 dollars this good marketing guy wants and I'll send you the titles of some good acupressure books. And if you swear that you are over 4ft tall, I'll pronounce you "Doctor of Finger Pressing!" Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com "Texas...we're all here cause we're not all there." --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:07:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grappling Rules Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I received a tournament notice with the following grappling rules. Submissions are legal with the following exceptions: Knee bars Ankle locks Strikes and/or open hand throat chokes Finger or toe bending No body slams from guard or standing positions Biting, elbowing, kneeing, scratching, eye gouging, fish hooks, hair pulling, or to force out of normal range of motion or otherwise endanger the neck or spine Joint manipulation What's a Hapkido guy to do in this situation? And is this comment an insult? "This is a competition of skill, not thugery-leave the street rules out on the street." Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:18:07 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Book review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Book review of "Hard-Won Wisdom From the School of Hard Knocks: How to Avoid a Fight and What to do When You Can't or Don't Want to" http://www.selfdefenseforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=569 Alain --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:13:25 -0800 From: F Pitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sparring and crybabies Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ms. Cheree, I have a sense that your response was to my saying that I felt confident if ever attacked on the street. Just for the record, this confidence hasn't all come from the dojang where I train. No, we don't have enough sparring for that. It has built my confidence, stamina (along with long workouts/ running, biking, weights, etc.), and focus; but most of my confidence is derived from actual real-life situations before I had the discipline (not bragging here) and my history of boxing. TKD has helped me to develop stronger punches and kicks however. But for me, I would run like h*ll if given the opportunity should some thug ever try to attack me. I have had to "stand my ground" before and came out with a few scratches, but that person walked away with a broken nose as I quickly escaped. Where I train, we are taught to try to avoid at any length violent confrontations. And if we absolutely can not do this, we are expected to attack to kill (as if.....) and then run. I hope I will never have to encounter this situation. As a woman, I must take extra precautions not to make myself vulnerable. I fear for a couple of the women in our classes that don't take their self-defense training very seriously and tend to giggle more than kiyap! Perhaps it is the old traditional belief that women should be soft etc. etc. Makes me glad I've always been a "tomboy" and don't feel ashamed in the least to punch "Bob" in the chest so hard that it makes my hands raw, not to mention my mean kiyap. When I hear people, after listening to a victims story, say something foolish like, "Oh! If that were ME, I would have...Blah Blah Blah something unrealistic blah blah blah blah," the thought crosses my mind to slap them real hard, without warning. Now I haven't tried that little experiment because someone just might kick my @$$, but I am willing to bet that half would cry or not react at all... --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 06:54:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Ground Zero Update Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 7 More Bodies Found at WTC Site Cops, firefighters and court officers By AUSTIN FENNER and GREG GITTRICH With Barbara Ross - Thursday, March 21, 2002 N.Y. Daily News A faded swatch of blue cloth peeking out from a hill of crushed steel and concrete immediately halted heavy machines at Ground Zero and led to the recovery of seven more bodies early yesterday. One of the victims was Moira Smith, the only NYPD policewoman killed at the World Trade Center. The other remains were of two Port Authority cops, a pair of state court officers and two firefighters. All seven died as they lived - thinking of others. "They appeared to be in the south tower lobby, where there was a command post," said Port Authority Lt. John Ryan, a recovery task force commander. "As people were evacuating the building, they were directing them out of the vast lobby to safety." The south tower collapsed at 9:50 a.m. Sept. 11. The unthinkable avalanche buried the heroic officers and firefighters alongside those they were trying to save. At least 35 bodies have been pulled this month from the collapsed lower floors and lobby of the tower - the last sizable hill of rubble at the site. Crews began to dig there March 4. Within the first half-hour, two bodies were found. Now, every few days the scorched earth gives back more. On Tuesday evening, Port Authority cops on the midnight shift - a grueling 12-hour span with few distractions - spotted a few inches of blue in the tangled debris. A heavy earth-moving machine moved back, and the cops and firefighters carefully began pulling away dirt, pulverized glass and bent metal. By 5 a.m. yesterday, they had dug out the seven victims. The medical examiner officially identified Smith last night. While DNA tests must still be done, recovery officials tentatively identified the two court officers through the serial numbers on their weapons as Thomas Jurgens and Mitchel Wallace. Smith, 38, was among the first to respond to the attacks and is credited with saving hundreds. "Don't look, keep moving," she said repeatedly to the dazed and injured fleeing the towers. After helping a bloodied broker to safety, she went back in. Only one other female law enforcement officer was killed that day, Port Authority police Capt. Kathy Mazza. Jurgens and Wallace did not have to be at the Trade Center. But they rushed there anyway. Jurgens, 26, had worked at Manhattan Supreme Court for four years. He jumped on a jury bus and rode to the towers after the first hijacked plane slammed into the complex. Wallace, 34, was not even in uniform when he went to help. He called his fiancee, Noreen McDonough, from the south tower and told her there had been a terrible accident. "It's not an accident," she told him. "Get out of there." "I can't," he said. "There are bodies everywhere. I got to go." "Sometimes you feel like it is a dream," Wallace's sister Michele Miller said. "Then you take a look at the skyline and say, yes, it did happen." Grim Recovery At least 35 bodies have been pulled this month from the collapsed lower floors and lobby of the south tower. March 4 - A steel ramp into the World Trade Center's deep basement opens. The south tower rubble - used for months as a road into the site - can now be excavated. Two bodies are found within the first half-hour. March 6 - Two city cops and the remains of an unknown number of civilians recovered. March 12 - The discovery of a firefighter's boot touches off a day-long dig that finds 15 bodies - 13 of them firefighters. March 13 - Four firefighters found. March 14 - Two bodies pulled from debris. One is a firefighter and the other is not immediately identifiable. March 17 - Unidentified body found. March 19 - Two firefighters recovered. March 20 - Seven bodies - an NYPD officer, two Port Authority cops, two court officers and two firefighters - pulled from debris. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gurhkas & TKD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 7:58:11 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > < the world's most renowned soldiers the Gurhkas>> > > Help me out here. A number of years ago, I think I was watching History > Channel, Discovery, TLC or something like that. The program was about the > Gurhkas. In the program, it was said that they had chosen TKD as their > training art, and showed clips of Gurhkas wearing V-neck TKD style uniforms > and doing krotty that very much looked like TKD..... > > Anyone else see that? I personally don't recall seeing it. But given the effectiveness of Bando, in any of its various forms, ummm... well... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 12:49:51 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Brief Overview of Choson Kwon Bup Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/22/2002 8:22:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > BTW: Were you going to provide the Net with some background material on > CHOSONDO? Maybe some information on how it relates to other Hapkido arts, > or other Korean MA/MT? Is this a transplant from Korea or did it originate > here in the States? Are the instructors related to personalities from other > arts? I think all I know so far is that you are located in eastern PA, yes? > > > Due to requests by many, I have decided to present a brief overview of Choson Kwon Bup and the International Chosondo Federation. The following is a brief overview of Choson Kwon Bup (CKB). The website of the International Chosondo Federation (ICF) is near completion. I will let everyone know once it's completed. For further information see website: CKB was founded as a "Civil Defence Tradition (CDT)" circa 1850 in Pyongyang, the present day capital of North Korea by a Merchant, Buddhist scholar, and martial arts enthusiast, Kim Chong Ji. As a merchant, Kim traveled to China and Japan, and Okinawa and studied the martial arts of these cultures. He founded Kwon Bup as a family CDT, CKB is a hybrid esentially composed of Taek Kyun, Shuai Jiao, and Northern White Crane. I was also told that Ba Gua, Xing Yi, and Ryukyu Kempo was also factored into into CKB's development. CKB third successor, Kim Yi Soo, his son, Kim Jun Lee and his grandson, Kim Jun Dahl, fled to South Korea during the Korean conflict to escape the communist regime. He first went to Pusan and eventually settled in Munsan, a small village just south of the demilitarized zone (DMZ). This was where my CKB teacher, Michael Atamian studied the art while serving as a combat engineer in the U.S. Army between 1956 and and 1958. Kim Yi Soo migrated to the United States (U.S.) in 1966 and settled in Severn, Maryland until he returned to South Korea in 1988 where he died at age 92. Upon returning to the U.S. Atamian continued his training under Kim Yi Soo. Atamian became the 5th successor in 1984 when the 4th successor, Sun Yu Mun, a civil engineer died in helicopter accident in Venezuela. Hyman V. Didia became the 5th successor in 1992 and I became the 7th successor in 1992. CKB consist of three (3) main aspects: 1. Sin (Spirit): Meditation, Gi Gong 2. Sim (Body): The physical aspects of CKB 3. Shin (Mind): Philosophy, history, theory, medicine, concepts, principles, ettiquette Three (3) Main Methods: 1. Um Bup (Passive Methods): Grappling methods, vital point manipulation, etc 2. Yang Bup (Active methods): Thrusting, Blocking, kicking, evasive methods 3. Ui Yak (Medicine): Oriental Medicine theory, modalities, diagnosis, and resusciation methods Since inheriting CKB in 1992, I have made some significant changes in its curiculum and technical content. The following is a little about myself to help you understand where I am coming from. More to come about this... 1970: Began training in Jiu Jitsu in Traindad, W.I. Current status: 9th Dan, 7th Successor: Choson Kwon Bup 8th Dan, Hapkido, Korea Kido Hae, World Kido Federation 6th Dan, Taekwondo, WTF International referee, WTF 4th Dan, Jiu Jitsu, Purple Dragon Jiujitsu International Ist Level Shoden) Teaching certificate, Itto Tenshin Ryu Ken Jitsu Senior practitioner, Yin Fu Ba Gua Senior practitioner, Chen Jia Guo Tai Ji Chuan, International Chen Tai Ji Assoc. BS, Physical Education - Sports Medicine MS, Bio-Mechanics MS, Oriental Medicine Former U.S. Marine Former FBI Special Agent: Certified FBI Law Enforcement Defensive Tactics Instructor Current President, American Assocaition of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) Chairman, Chinese Herbal Medicine Coalition My experiences has influenced the current practice of CKB and the other arts of the ICF. (to be continued...) Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster ICF --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Brief Overview of Choson Kwon Bup To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 11:05:00 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > my CKB teacher, Michael Atamian studied the art while serving as a combat > engineer in the U.S. Army between 1956 and and 1958. Kim Yi Soo migrated to > the United States (U.S.) in 1966 and settled in Severn, Maryland until he > returned to South Korea in 1988 where he died at age 92. Upon returning to > the U.S. Atamian continued his training under Kim Yi Soo. Atamian became the > 5th successor in 1984 when the 4th successor, Sun Yu Mun, a civil engineer > died in helicopter accident in Venezuela. Hyman V. Didia became the 5th > successor in 1992 and I became the 7th successor in 1992. Sir, much thanks for the info. Typo??? Did you perhaps mean in the above that Hyman V. Didia was the 6th successor? For the KMA FAQ update I then have the ordering of Chosondo Headmasters as: 1. Kim Chong Ji (Founder/Doju) 2. ? 3. Kim Yi Soo 4. Sun Yu Mun 5. Michael Atamian 6. Hyman V. Didia 7. Ian A. Cyrus I missed #2 in the succession. Is he/she known? Thanks! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:25:29 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Bungee-jumping Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ohh boy... Hyundai to Introduce Bungee-jumping to Mt. Geumgang March 24, 2002 Starting next month, South Korean students visiting Hyundai's Mt. Geumgang resort in North Korea will be able to try their hands, or feet, at bungee-jumping and other outdoor activities. Eager to cater to the needs of students, who are expected to make up the largest cluster of Mt. Geumgang visitors after the South Korean government announced the large-scale subsidization package last week, Hyundai-Asan recently came up with a set of plans to create amusement facilities. "In the beginning, we plan to build facilities such as bungee-jumping stands, camping sites and campfire facilities," a Hyundai-Asan employee said, adding they were chosen for cost-effectiveness and the relative ease of installation. While the location for the bungee-jumping facilities has not been finalized, the area near the old Jangjeon port is high on the list, the official said. In the long term, the South Korean operators of the struggling tourism project aim to introduce a variety of entertainment facilities such as water-skiing to the North's scenic resort. The lack of things to do, besides being moved around in buses to and from the hotel to the mountains, has been one of the biggest complaints of visitors to Mt. Geumgang, which opened up to South Koreans in 1999. The flagging sales of the tourism project led the government to step in and form a consortium with Hyundai-Asan last year. To prop up the business, the government allowed the opening up of duty-free shops selling foreign goods in Mt. Geumgang by Hyundai, and also came up with a massive subsidy plan covering up to 70 percent of the cost for visiting students and separated family members. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest