Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:50:03 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #170 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Sword demo/Hapkido seminar (Todd Miller) 4. Hapkido aftermath (Chereecharmello@aol.com) 5. Hapkido...and Aikido Thoughts (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 6. Japanese Aikido Federation ? (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Gender Bender (F Pitt) 8. Sin Moo in CO. (michael tomlinson) 9. Re: Hard Won Wisdom (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 10. Traditional sports of Korea (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Choson Kwon Bup Info (Chosondo@aol.com) 12. TKD Self Defence (Laurie S.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "ericules" To: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:15:36 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: ACL Reconstruction (oops) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess I forgot a few details. My pain is mostly gone now at 7 months a don't have full flexion yet but will soon...I can land jumping kicks with my brace on ( I always wear it at class and probably will for the next 5 months.) I kick about 3/4 power with the new leg but I could probably throw full power sidekick. I take 1 aleve per day to help with the swelling. I hope all this rambling was helpful. Good Luck! Eric Walker --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:59:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Tickle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I liked the tickle...I tell my students to be like a Tasmanian devil! Too much exposure to cartoons, I reckon! Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:31:01 -0500 From: Todd Miller Organization: Miller's Korean Martial Arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword demo/Hapkido seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to let the DD members know that we will be hosting a demonstration of traditional swordsmanship here on Sat. March 30th, from 10:00 AM - 12:00. All traditional swordsmen and women are welcome to join us. I will also be teaching a seminar from 1:00 - 3:00 on Beginner/Advanced principles of Jungki/Original Hapkido. My best to all and I hope to see those that are able to join us. Todd Miller Korea Jungki Hapkido & Guhapdo Assc. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:10:47 EST From: Chereecharmello@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido aftermath Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My hat (and shoes and socks and dobok...because I now need to soak in hot salted water) come off for those of you who actively practice Hapkido/Aikido. How on earth do you aid your body in recovering from activities such as breakfalls? I am no stranger to falling. We practice on a traditional wooden floor, which I have learned to love and respect, but falling on it is a real(fill in a long, nasty string of foul language.) Although not traditionally TSD, our instructor contends that, if we use sweeps in TSD, then we also should know how to fall. He felt the need to review (repeatedly)last night. I am currently immobile. For my fellow training partners and DD lurkers... Kyo Sa thought it would be fun to mutilate me in front of the class last night. He got me into a submission hold and didn't stop even as I tapped (ok, threw a hissy) out. My only option was to fight but it hurt too badly, so my only alternative was to bite. So I did. Only his butt was closest to my face...so I, um, did a secret ancient Korean technique called the "Bum-chew." (the technique has yet to fail me :0 ) --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:11:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido...and Aikido Thoughts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Out of curiosity, I called my brother to ask him about his political organization affiliation with hapkido as Kirk made a good point. He said that he trains with a Unites Stated Aikido Federation instructor/school and that he trains at the USAF seminars (headed by a Master Yamada) regularly and that he trains yearly at the hombu dojo in Japan when his company sends him there. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:37:22 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Japanese Aikido Federation ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Speaking of Aikido vs. Hapkido... I wonder... does Aikido have any chubby 1st Dans that claim to be a 7th Dan, as well as being the sole US representative of the Japanese Aikido Federation? Sorry, couldn't resist. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:17:52 -0800 From: F Pitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Gender Bender Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the event that a big jerk wants to steal my possessions...I would let them. If he were interested in my car...he can take it. If he wants the money in my pocket...take it and leave me alone. But, if it's me he "wants..." I am fighting to the last breath I have... -Tomboy # 2 Dear Instructor Cheree, I think we ARE related! :o) In some way I guess we are. Luckily, we do (sometimes) practice getting someone bigger off of us while he is holding down our hands and weighing us down. I appreciate our instructor recognizing that we need to know this. I know it would be quite different if it were a real situation and we were scared, and they possibly had a knife or gun etc. That's the part that scares me the most. Defending against a knife is little comparison to defending against someone with a gun. I would imagine that they'd plan to kill me anyway and I hope I'd look for any mini-second of distraction to bust their chin open while simultaneously "blocking" their gun hand. I honestly hope that I or anyone else will never have to encounter that situation given our devotion and discipline in the martial arts. Peace, F Pitt --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:08:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sin Moo in CO. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I understand what you are talking about Bruce with the dried up Hapkido demographics, Florida is full of Hapkido, unfortunately most of the Hapkido in Florida is also full of it! Other than Master Nabors and a few others there are very few legitimate Hapkido Dojangs around the central Florida area. There are plenty of signs on buildings but the training is quite another thing. Good luck in your training in Chicago. I won't be attending the Colorado training with Doju Nim Ji, I am a high school teacher and the training is at the end of our year,, way too much work to do at that time of the year, but I highly recommend it. The one thing that I and a few others have noticed while training with Doju Nim Ji is that usually during the first intensive training session you really don't get it. You basically spend most of your time mentally trying to amalgamate his teachings into your prior knowledge of Hapkido. Don't get me wrong, the first training you learn a lot of new Hapkido but it takes a couple of times training with Doju Nim to really see the light. I remember doing a technique and all of a sudden I had this ephiphany go off in my head and I just started smiling. It made sense to me from then on. The biggest thing that I can say is that Doju Nim Ji's techniques are meant to work on people that are resisting and trying to do you much harm. I know that is a commonality in martial arts training but most of the time it is just kind of a pipe dream, I mean when you are working out and your partner is somewhat playing along at the same time, you think it would probably work but you don't know for sure,, with Doju Nim's techniques you know they will work. I had this epiphany and never said anything to anyone about it and one time out of no where Master Nabors says the same exact thing to me.. I was like,, dude you are totally right!! The first two days I trained with him I didn't understand how and why his joint locks were different and his body movement was different,, now I do. His techniques end up a lot of times in a front stance instead of a horse stance and the persons appendages are very in close to your own center of gravity,, I know this sounds easy but it takes a lot of practice to do this, and when you do it right it is devastating. Basically Sin Moo is not flashy or chained together, it is short, abrupt, and to the point. Some rambling! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:58:39 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hard Won Wisdom Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> agreed. alain has written an excellent book. his first video was wonderful and i cant wait to get his second. you can probably purchase direct from alain at www.burrese.com and get autographed copies. alain has always acted with integrity as long as i've known him. he's a great martial artist and a good guy with an excellent sense of humour. all of these points emanate from his publications. i hope he is able to become more prolific with his books and videos so we can continue to benefit from his unique and qualified experiences. melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 8:58:23 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Traditional sports of Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Traditional Sports Ancient Koreans were recorded to have been engaged in many sports games, including the traditional as guhui, sarye, tugi, and doin. Few of the games mentioned are played as they were played many hundred years ago, and many of them have long been forgotten. "Guhui" means playing with balls, and it included "chukguk" which was somewhat similar to today's soccer, gyeokgu is something like polo, and bonghui that is similar to golf. According to historic records, these games, flourished throughout the Three Kingdoms, and the Unified Silla period (57B.C.-935) and the Goryeo Dynasty (918-1392). jangchigi was something like today's field hockey, and was enjoyed by Koreans until long after other games lost their popularity. Other traditional sports included gungsi or gungsul, which means archery, and gisa, which is the sport of shooting arrows from a running horse. "Doin" was a physical exercise routine in which all the body parts, from fingers to toes, are stimulated to boost one's spirit, or gi. Tugi, or physical fighting, is being played in modified form. Seokjeon is a group competition between people of neighboring villages. ssireum, similar to wrestling, and subak, or taekwondo are the two traditional sports that have a great deal of following today. Following are other traditional sports and games that are still popular among Koreans: Kite Flying Kite flying is one of the popular traditional sports in Korea during the winter season when strong winds are present. According to historical records, kite flying originated from the ancient Silla Kingdom. The kites used are of various shapes and colors. Traditionally, New Year's Day was a day set aside for flying kites. Villagers would write Chinese characters naming various bad omens on the kites and when they reached the sky, the strings of the kite would be cut in order to drive all the bad spirits away from the village for the coming new year. A popular traditional kite game involves a contest between kite flyers who try to cut their opponents kite strings. In preparation for the contest, the kitesmen paste a mixture of ground up stone and glass powder on their kite strings; by maneuvering the strings to criss-cross the strings of other kites, they initiate a series of cutting movements until one of the kite strings give way. Tug of War The tug of war game is a popular folk game which involves a large group of people. It is usually played over a period of three days. Since ancient times, all members of the village participated in the tug of war game. The game requires a good deal of cooperation. When tug of war is played, village bands play folk music and cheer their team to victory. The tug of war is a large-scale game and the period needed to prepare for it is considerable. Villages must collect rice straw from each member of the village and make a long thick rope. This consists of a male rope (sutjul) and a female rope (amjul). Members of each team pull at the ropes which are bound tightly together. Because of a belief that the winning side shall have a good harvest, each side strives hard to pull its opponent to its side, yelling and shouting as they do so. Geune Geune (swinging game) was introduced to Korea via China, and was traditionally used as a means of athletic conditioning and training. We can find information concerning the game of Geune in the literature of both Goryeo (918-1392) and Joseon (1392-1910) Dynasties. It was a game that everyone enjoyed. At that time, the royal court sponsored the game on special traditional holidays and invested a lot of money in prizes. As the sport matured, it began to be played primarily amongst younger women. Indeed, among the manifold of different traditional folk games in Korea, Geune was most popular among women. It is still popular today and is played primarily during folk festivals. There are various kinds of competitions, including single swinging and duo swinging competitions. The object of the game is to swing the highest and whoever does so wins a prize. Jegichagi Jegichagi (shuttlecock) is a traditional Korean game for boys and it is normally played during the winter season. The shuttlecock of early times was made of old coins or similarly rounded metal objects with holes in the middle which were wrapped with paper or cloth, through which feathers were inserted and fanned out into a circle. Jegichagi is kicked with one foot into the air repeatedly, and the person who keeps it from falling to the ground the greatest number of times wins the game. Jegichagi is played throughout Korea. Various techniques are employed to keep the Jegichagi from falling to the ground, including two-foot kicking, right foot kicking, and left foot kicking, and so on. Neolttwigi neolttwigi resembles the western game of see-saw. It is played on a long board called a neol. A full bag of rice or a rice and straw mixture is placed under the center of the board. Two girls stand on each ends of the plank. One girl is bounced into the air as the girl on the opposite end bounces down on the elevated side with her full weight. She in turn is bounced back upwards as the other girl descends, causing a see saw effect. This game was popular during the Goryeo and Joseon Dynasties. The young women wore colorful and graceful costumes, thus vaunting their stylish attire for all to admire. One tale about neolttwigi relates how the game was used by young women to spy upon the opposite gender. Since young women during this period were rarely allowed outside the house and thus were unable to even glance upon men their own age until their wedding night, the young women would bounce as high as possible during the game as a means of catching quick glimpses of the young men passing by outside the wall. Gossaum The term gossaum has its origins in the compound words go (the round, tied knot called otgoreum, or coat string, which is attached to the Korean traditional dress, or hanbok), and 'ossaum,' meaning a fight. This game is played between two teams: the east team and the west team. The huge go used in the game is made of rice straw. When the go is ready, the participating villagers perform a ritual exorcism, praying for victory for their respective team. They then select a chulpaejang-or general-who will lead the fight. The chulpaejang climbs on head of the his team's ko and from there commands his team to maneuver away or to trample down the opponent's go. The game ends when one team's go is shoved to the ground. Gossaum is a cooperative sport between villages and it possess the same principles as the tug of war game. It requires a great deal of labor and thus takes several days to prepare for. This game is still popular among the Korean people during traditional festive occasions. Chajeonnori Also known as dongchaessaum, this game was said to have originated after Wang Geon's victory against Gyeon Hwon during the battle of Andong in 935. To make dongchae two ten-meter logs are crossed in a trapezoid, with the upper part tied firmly with straw rope. A plank is fixed on the inside of the trapezoid. Getting onto the plank, each one of general-in-command is chosen among the members at the two teams, east and west, and leads the fight. When the fight begins, the horizontal dongchae is raised up vertically, with the heads of both dongchae striking against each other. The commander holds the plank in his left hand and command members of his team with his right. Those who do not hold the dongchae on their shoulder also participate in the ritualized battle; they fight hand to hand with their teammates holding the dongchae by helping them to advance forward. Victory or defeat is settled when the dongchae of either team is forced to the ground. The winners then express their joy by throwing their straw sandals up to the sky in a gesture of victory. Ssireum Ssireum, a form of wrestling, has been popular in Korea ever since ancient times. Judging from a mural found in a KoguryCo tomb, it is believed that ssireum originated about 1,500 years ago. The word itself is an ancient one, meaning "competition between men". Because of the simplicity of its rules, Korean farmers and fishermen delight in this sport. Ssireum was a spectator sport during the festive celebrations of the traditional Dano holiday which falls on the fifth day of the fifth lunar month. The winner of the contest was accorded the title "Super Strong Man," so-called Changsa, and a big bull was traditionally awarded as the prize. Ssireum used to be played without consideration given to the weight of the contestants, but opponents are now paired by division, according to the weight of the player. The Korea ssireum Association has succeeded in generating nationwide interest in ssireum by sponsoring the "Top Super Strong Man Competition" three times a year and the "Super Strong Man Contest" by weight division four times annually. ssireum has, as a result, become one of the most popular spectator sports in Korea. from korean.net --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 11:28:01 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Choson Kwon Bup Info Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims: To answer your first question regarding the unifying principles with respect to contributing aspects from other arts to the structure of Choson Kwon Bup, no art, in my estimate, can be simply reduced to, for instance, the three (3) pillars of Hapkido. Choson Kwon Bup shares many of the same concepts and princples as many other arts. Choson Kwon Bup is different because there are some signature skills that are unique. Having studied several disciplines to extent of, for lack of a better word, mastership, it is difficult for me to reduce my art to three principles. Further having practiced and taught Hapkido since the mid-seventies and while I find it to be a great martial art, it's skills do not always conform to the key concepts and principles that are often expounded. The only weapon that was traditionally practiced in the art are pole (staff) skills (long, middle, and short). I have added sword skills, firearms, and knife skills. These weapons serves as an extension of the physical skills, and as practical weapons. Choson Kwon Bup is recognized by Kido Hae as a martial art in its own right. It is also recognized by several other martial art umbrella organizations. However, it is very much a stand alone organization. The International Chosondo Federation (ICF) offers a wide variety tof support and services to its member schools and membership. We have core achievement requirements for gup, dan, and teacher certifications. We are not governed by a board. The final authority is the headmaster. The ICF is really based on the "family" structure and maintains close ties with its member schools and membership. I hope I have answered your questions. Beyond that please feel free to join us the First (1st) World Korean Martial Arts Symposium at the O'Hare Hilton on the weekend of May 25 & 26. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster ICF --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:38:29 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Self Defence Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hiya all. This is for the TKD'ers out there. I've been looking for Honsinsul (sp?), self defence techniques for TKD. It doesn't matter what assn or fed it's from. If anyone as info on videos, books, websites, ect. please post or email me. Thanks in advance. Laurie yellow belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest