Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:54:12 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #173 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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TKD Self defense (Laurie S.) 4. WHRD's Eric Lee (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 5. Sword demo (Todd Miller) 6. forward rolls (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 7. Re: On-Line USTU Registration (Jim Griffin) 8. RE: Falling Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 9. RE: Translation Please (Morgan James) 10. Chosun Kwon Bub (Timothy Seitz) 11. Re: WHRD's Eric Lee (Ray Terry) 12. Re: Of Sticks and Stones (Bruce Sims) 13. RE: TKD and Weak Hands (Dunn, Danny J RASA) 14. Re: TDK and self-defense (F Pitt) 15. Re: origins of chuks (yotony@rmi.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:17:07 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hurricane Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George, Hurricane is pokpung, or taepung. Taepung being a bit more common. the way of is "do" just like we use in other arts, taekwondo, hapkido, etc. So I guess you could say Taepungdo. However, Yi-saeng gave me a funny face with this, and said she has never heard taepungdo, and she said, "we would never say taepungdo." Hope this helps, Alain --__--__-- Message: 2 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:20:13 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hoshinsul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Laurie: "......This is for the TKD'ers out there. I've been looking for Honsinsul (sp?), self defence techniques for TKD. It doesn't matter what assn or fed it's from. If anyone as info on videos, books, websites, ect. please post or email me....." My Hapkido Hoshinsul video and Streetfighting Essentials videos may have some of the things you could add into your program. I know TKD people here that use the Hapkido techniques I have taught them for the self-defense portions of their TKD tests. You can see more on these videos at: www.burrese.com Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:21:55 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD Self defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce wrote: <<<>>> I didn't ask for bio-whatevers. I asked for self defense (in plain english) for TKD, and no, it doesn't matter what org or resourse it comes from. ANY self defense relating to TKD. <<<>> Again, I didn't say anything about testing, or anything. I'm looking for self defense relating to TKD. <<<>>> Nooooo, not one-steps. But we are getting somewhere here. Locks, submissions, escapes, and evasion type stuff. <<<>>> Over 21. <<<>>> Self defense, dude! The kind that TKD used to teach, that some orgs took out ...... yea, that kind. Steve wrote: <<<>>> Who said I wasn't? lol <<<>>> Thank you for the info. Finally, someone that knows what I was talking about (unlike BRUCE ;OP hehehe). Laurie Yellow belt TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] WHRD's Eric Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What ever happened to GM Joo Bang Lee's son Eric Lee? Is he still active in Hwa Rang Do? ===== Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:35:15 -0500 From: Todd Miller Organization: Miller's Korean Martial Arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword demo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry, Here is Dover, NH. Take care Todd --__--__-- Message: 6 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:24:10 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] forward rolls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/27/02 10:19:20 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Good advice regardless of the art. Accidental falls happen all the time > to say nothing of sparing in open tournaments where sweeps and throws may > be allowed without even going into SD against a person who's training and > capabilities are unknown. About a year ago, my then 11 year old daughter while playing basketball took off running across the court back to defend her goal. She slipped, did a forward roll, never broke stride, and kept on going across court. I heard comments such as "did you see that?", or "what was that?". Funny thing is she never knew she fell! Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jim Griffin" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:28:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: On-Line USTU Registration Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net No disrespect intended, but are the online registrations being processed any more quickly than the snail mail ones? I've had some problems trying to get my (snail-mal) registration processed both this year and last, but if the on-line tool is the preferred method now, this will be highly useful information. Thanks in advance. --- begin quoted text --- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:25:09 EST From: Tkdtiger@aol.com To: Subject: [The_Dojang] On-Line USTU Registration Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you haven't seen it yet, we do have on-ine registration on the USTU website. Links are on the What's New and Membership pages. You can register your club or yourself in minutes. saves on stamps and snailmail --- end quoted text --- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:39:01 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Falling Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Cheree: Your letter asking about recovery from falling techniques tells me that something is amiss. Lets remember that a breakfall is as much a technique a partner executes in order to "go with" a technique and so allow the person performing the technique to come as close to full execution as is possible without injury. That said, there are probably some very important things that need to be underscored. 1.) Never practice on an unforgiving surface---- and carpeting does not qualify. For every one person who knows how to take an air-roll from 3-4 feet off the floor, there are a couple hundred students who flinch at the thought of sommersaulting or even sitting-out of a technique. Believe it or not the concern here is NOT impact on the floor, though, of course, that is a consideration. The concern is that at the early stages of learning one or two bad falls is enough to ingrain a fear of falling that reinforces the inbred fear that we all are born with. The result is that a partner --so damaged-- will then hesitate before executing the proper breakfall raising the risk of injury both from a poor fall and from the inadvertant application of whatever technique is being executed from which the poor partner was suppose to breakfall. 2.) Don't ignore the stomach muscles. I am not a huge fan of calesthetics. I am, however, very big on conditioning, warm-up and stretching. Learning to roll, fall and breakfall are an acquired taste, but it still takes prepping the bod for doing things that it is not actually designed to do in the course of an average day. Learning to stay "soft" and dissapate energy over increasingly small fractions of time (as the technique speeds up with experience) is an art all by itself and takes place very much in the mind. However, the body still must be prepped to take the punishment of learning if not of execution. Stay high in proteins, take a high quality daily vitamin supplement, consider drinks which support electrolyte balance (Ca+, K+, Na+) and stay away from items (coffee, alcohol) which tend to de-nature water-soluble. Your gonna sustain bumps and bruises the least you can do is encourage faster healing. :-) 3.) Go Slow. Everybody wants to rush things. Go Hapkido techniques ought to be as effective when done slow as when done fast. If you have to do the technique fast to make it work, something is amiss. Pushing your partner to execute their breakfall faster than they are prepared to go just so you can go full-out is a sure sign of under-developed practice. Partners work together cooperatively so everybody gets to go to work the next day. Reading back over this I hope it doesn't sound like a lecture. Just some thoughts. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:01:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Translation Please Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too am looking for someone to do a few translations for me. I am looking for the proper Korean pronounciation and also the phrases written in HanGul. I had an old friend at one time translate a couple things for me and she had a printer that would print in HanGul, but I have lost contact with her. If there is anyone willing to assist me you can email me at james.morgan@triadhospitals.com I have a fax machine for which translations can be faxed to if that's ok. Thanks to anyone who can assist. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:51:11 -0600 From: Timothy Seitz To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chosun Kwon Bub Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Headmaster Cyrus, Thanks for the information about Chosun Kwon Bub. I noticed that you got your first degree black belt in Kuk Sool Won in 1988, the same year as I did. You are #A-8400 and I am #A-8405. Kuk Sool wasn't mentioned in your bio. Did any of the Kuk Sool curriculum influence the practice of Chosun Kwon Bub when you became the headmaster of that style in 1992? Timothy Seitz Kuk Sool Won at the University of Illinois --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] WHRD's Eric Lee To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 7:06:40 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > What ever happened to GM Joo Bang Lee's son Eric Lee? > Is he still active in Hwa Rang Do? He appears on at least one of the three Hapkido, err HwaRang Do, videos that I bought, put out by Panther and GM JB Lee (I believe there are ~25 in the entire set). GM Lee seems to appear in most of the footage, but his English isn't so good. It seems they might have used the son to better explain the fine points of some techniques. Note: You don't want to be Gm Lee's partner when he is doing a video. He damn near rips some arms from their sockets. No kidding! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:32:56 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Of Sticks and Stones Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Cheree: ".....I have heard/read some pretty strange explanations about the origins of nunchuku. The only plausible explanation I have read thus far is that, during a period when weaponry was outlawed in Owkinawa, the farmers developed an elaborate fighting system using their farming utensils and the nunchuks were really flailing tools used for cutting stalks....." Just about every culture around the world that is involved in agriculture uses a flail of some sort to separate out the grain from the husks so limiting the flail to development in Okinawa is probably not a good route to take. On the other hand, just about every culture around the world that has fielded a military back to through history to Egyptian culture has used a flail or jointed stick of some type. Tools like the currently popular Three-section staff practiced by some Chinese traditions take it even further. One point I would bring up is that in the MYDBTJ, there is a Korean flail though it is a pole weapon rather than a hand weapon such as the Nunchuka. Sometimes I draw fire from folks because I keep coming back to that book. Fact is, though, with some many modern sources trying to tell us what people were doing back during the Three Kingdoms period, I am ever surprised to see how different things were between now and just a couple hundred years ago. Andrew Pratt and I have exchanged thoughts on how Korean traditions were passed to present day, and I think we both agree that things were not passed down to modern day as much formally through a military tradition as informally through a civil tradition. But at that point we disagree on how this could have come to pass and, of course, there are no records to be found as of yet. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:30:59 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: TKD and Weak Hands Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Darin, I saw that a couple of others had responded, but thought I'd throw in a couple of additional thoughts. There is nothing inherently weak about TKD hand techniques. First, you need to understand that sparring for points is a game and a sport, not martial art. Both the WTA and point sparring should always be considered a game. As such there are rules and strategies for playing the game that control the techniques used. This type of game is not really related to self defense. The instructor and dojang you choose will be the deciding factor in how well you learn to use your hands. Sadly, a lot of schools only focus on sport competition and have lost the martial aspect if they ever had it. Another problem I commonly see in TKD, and other arts, is that a lot of people teaching don't have a good understanding of their art, and therefore can't teach what they don't know. Personal preference of the instructor is also an important factor in how much hand techniques are stressed, and a general rule is that the older the instructor, the greater the stress on hand techniques. You also mentioned not seeing strong blocks in sparring. By Black Belt level, most students realize the checks, parries, and avoidance are much more efficient than trying trying to block kicks with the hands. I personally do not respond to a technique much of the time when sparring unless I believe that it is going to hit me. I would look for a school whose sparring was freesparring(continuous with no attempt at scoring points), and which allowed graduated contact up to heavy contact at higher ranks, and that practice sweeps and groin kicks during sparring. I would also look for a school that started with one step sparring techniques and continued them through training, even freestyle. I would also look for a school that practices freestyle, controlled self-defense scenario sparring beginning in the mid to upper gup levels. Hope this helps. Danny Dunn >1. I keep reading over and over how weak TKD is in punching and other hand >blocks/strikes. I think I confirmed this by watching sparring at a couple >of schools which basically consisted of two people kicking one another until >a point was declared, and the only blocking that was taking place was when >the two happened to try a kick at the same time. Do basic TKD blocks have a >place in sparring, or is it hard to translate? Also, can a TKD practitioner >*make* their hand techniques stronger by practice and study, or is it just >an inherent weakness of the art that would have to be "enriched" by >techniques from other arts? --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 06:57:47 -0800 From: F Pitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TDK and self-defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is for the TKD'ers out there. I've been looking for Honsinsul (sp?), self defence techniques for TKD. It doesn't matter what assn or fed it's from. If anyone as info on videos, books, websites, ect. please post or email me. Thanks in advance. Laurie yellow belt TKD (5th gup TSD) Laurie, I haven't shopped around much, but have purchased books and videos from Grandmaster He Il Cho. The books I bought at a local MA supply store, the videos I bought from his website and they arrived within about 3 days. I got the hyung books to match the hyung books I originally bought and they have been most useful in learning my forms. Since we don't get to practice forms all the time, I learn from the books/videos and practice them. Then, when instructor sees I've managed to learn them somehow out of dojang, he'll correct any movements that might be different then what he teaches (most movements are identical however). I don't regret buying the videos at 2/$80. There may be cheaper videos somewhere out there, but I like his. He has many others available, I believe also self-defense videos. His website is: http://www.aimaa.com/ Good luck. F Pitt --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:23:28 -0700 From: yotony@rmi.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: origins of chuks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>around the knee. > >Hmm, this is something I'll need to ask my doctor when I meet him to >discuss the details of the surgery. I wasn't aware that the pain would >last so long. > >>I would probably avoid a graft >>from a cadaver if possible. It may slow down the early part of your >>recovery, but the risks of rejection are real. > >Yeah, I'll stick to my own body parts :-) > >>Since my surgery I've gotten into shape to a degree that I've >>been sort of putting off, dropped from 192 to 175. Riding my road bike >>for about 40-60 miles per week and throwing in a little jogging. Light >>weight with the machines at the gym, and I feel great! I hope to test >>for my Black Belt within the next year or so, so the added incentive of >>fixing my knee is helping towards reaching the goal of doing my very >>best before Grandmaster Park when the time may come. > >I have heard/read some pretty strange explanations about the origins of >nunchuku. > >The only plausible explanation I have read thus far is that, during a period >when weaponry was outlawed in Owkinawa, the farmers developed an elaborate >fighting system using their farming utensils and the nunchuks were really >flailing tools used for cutting stalks... > The chuks were invented by a demented priest who cut a perfectly good stick in half, strung the pieces together, and made it into something at least as likely to disable its wielder as it is to injure an opponent. One of my favorite tournament memories: a fellow advanced student who is very adept with the aforementioned perversion of a useful weapon is performing a kata with same. The damn thing comes around his shoulder and bites him above the brow, cutting him and bringing forth blood in profusion. Briefly startled, he nonetheless gamely finishes the kata, missing perhaps half a beat. His face and gi are covered with red and blood continues to stream down his face as he stands before the judges. An impressive performance to be sure! He placed 2nd out of a field of 15 or so. Also the judges were very prompt in issuing their scores, inspired, no doubt, to get him out of the squared area as soon as possible. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. 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