Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #176 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Korean text input (Klaas Barends) 3. Re: did you deserve dan rank? (Jens Schaefer) 4. Re: USTU registration (Jim Griffin) 5. Bigger folks doing breakfalls... (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 6. Re: Re: USTU registration (Ray Terry) 7. Foreign IT Specialists (Ray Terry) 8. Good Friday (Ray Terry) 9. Re: The Art of Reconciliation?? (Bruce Sims) 10. Re: breakfalls (Steverts@aol.com) 11. Practice Knives (Morgan James) 12. Re: Practice Knives (Ray Terry) 13. Breakfalls (Jeffery G. Dean Sr.) 14. Hapkido in Southern California (Rick Bean) 15. Re: Breakfalls (Lee Fisk) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:10:05 +0100 From: Jens Schaefer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kukkiwon regulation for dan promotion? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi! the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: [...] > > - Kyokpa, sonnal through 4 layers of wood, (didn't made it - none of us > > three did) > > Were you required to pass all sections to pass the test? Fortunately not! The boards were lying directly on each other, there were no gaps between them. They appeared like one, huge, 3-inch block of wood. When I approached the block, I could not resist thinking "There is no spoon...". ;-) -- humbly yours Jens Schäfer Jens.Schaefer@aikyu.de "Bei der intendierten Realisierung der linguistischen Simplifizierung des regionalen Idioms resultiert die Evidenz der Opportunität extrem apparent, den elaborierten und quantitativ opulenten Usus nicht assimilierter Xenologien konsequent zu eliminieren!" (Quelle: Unbekannt) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Klaas Barends To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: 29 Mar 2002 12:06:15 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean text input Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > hey klaas, > > once you download this, then what do you do? please pardon my ignorance :) In your taskbar, next to your clock, there appears a icon saying EN (or something like that) when you are working in Word for example (or when your cursor is in a form on a webpage). You can then click this tray icon, and change it to KO, above the icon appears a bar with a big A in it, click the A and it will change to Korean characters (ka) now you can use your keyboard to type Korean. You can try my 'Quick and Dirty Korean write tool' on http://www.hapkido.nl/~barends/writekorean.php -- Kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:49:00 +0100 From: Jens Schaefer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CC: TKDgalSamm@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: did you deserve dan rank? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: [...] > Some will say your test was cheesy, some will say it sounds average, some will say WOW ... bottom line, you can't please all of the people all of the time, and darned if I'd worry about it!!! Do you enjoy training? Are you learning? Are you challenged? To me, there are a number of things WAY more important :) Congratulations, by the way! Sorry for the late reply..... [...] Yeah. Well, it's just .... It's *hard'* to judge yourself. Therefore, I always listen to "outside input", especially if it comes from people that I respect. Sometimes I cahnge stuff because of the remarks, sometimes I just put the remarks away - but I always listen, and I always spend some thought on it. And my problem is: the MA community is swarming of people that more or less just bought their black belts, know hardly anything about the art and haven't gotten a glimpse of the philosophy - yet want to tell all the world about how great they are. On the other hand, I have a little teacher inside. When I see other people doing mistakes or performing less good than they could, I *want* to correct them, want to help them. ;-) But if I don't have the skill to actually teach people - than I'll be just some bragging idiot who harms the community. And I don't want to become that!!! Actually, I wasn't that keen on belting in the first place. But in my dojang, you have to belt in order to learn the highter poomses - and I always liked doing poomse. One day, my master asked me do a dan test and I thought "Hey - I'll learn koryo ... er, wait a minute! I'll be a WHAT?" Thanks for your thoughts - and thanks for reading mine. ;-) -- humbly yours Jens Schäfer Jens.Schaefer@aikyu.de "Bei der intendierten Realisierung der linguistischen Simplifizierung des regionalen Idioms resultiert die Evidenz der Opportunität extrem apparent, den elaborierten und quantitativ opulenten Usus nicht assimilierter Xenologien konsequent zu eliminieren!" (Quelle: Unbekannt) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jim Griffin" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:26:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: USTU registration Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't even get me started - this has been a fairly sore topic lately. I know every time I attend an activity where I have to prove my USTU membership (voting events, States competition, referee seminar, etc.), I've had to complete yet another USTU application form with the phrase "Please check for duplicate - I've already attempted to join this year" written on the top. Ok - now it sounds like I'm complaining. This is probably something that the USTU folks have considered, but would it make their lives easier to modify how registrations are done? Right now, everyone's registration expires and has to be re-done at the same time (12/31 or 1/1 - whatever) and it would seem that this would create a giant log jam for Ms. Simmons and any folks she has helping with registrations. Has USTU considered making registration work more like a magazine subscription? For example - if someone registers on April 1, they are a member from April 1 - March 31 of the following year. It would seem that this might spread out the registration pain a bit and give the good folks at USTU a fighting chance of processing forms in a timely manner. It also gives USTU the opportunity to do some creative fund-raising things. For example, they could send out renewal notices 6-8 months into a given member's term with a note suggesting they "renew early and support USTU". Any USTU staff with comments? --- begin quoted text --- From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:11:38 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: USTU registration <> i was kinda curious on the guestimated time needed to process faxed forms. not complaining....just wondering. i know theyre understaffed and overloaded this time of year especially. melinda --- end quoted text --- _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bigger folks doing breakfalls... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would agree with everyone else on this one. Take it slow. For me, learning to fall should be all about safety, and you can't fall safely if you're scared and stiff. falling is hard on the back at any time, and although I love to fall, I still prefer to stay standing and let the other guy fall down and go boom. If it is a requirement, just tell her that it is ok to go slowly and that promotion is not as important as learning the skills properly and safely. Let her know that you care about her health first. As a big guy myself (260 currently but hoping to lose some more), I know that size does make a difference. My iaido instructor loves to sit in seiza for mukozume (meditation) for a nice long time, which is hell on my knees. I felt a lot better when a skinny guy who just came back from training in Japan for three years told me, "wow, your sensei spends a lot of time in mukozume, doesn't he?" Made me feel like less of a wimp. Now if I could just keep up with those 120 lb. Harimau stylists! :) Yours in the arts, Dakin burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: USTU registration To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 7:17:46 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Don't even get me started - this has been a fairly sore topic lately. I > know every time I attend an activity where I have to prove my USTU > membership (voting events, States competition, referee seminar, etc.), I've > had to complete yet another USTU application form with the phrase "Please > check for duplicate - I've already attempted to join this year" written on > the top. Ok - now it sounds like I'm complaining. FWIW, I got around this problem by taking out a life membership. I figure this is a life long 'hobby' I'm involved with, thus the life membership seems appropriate. The only problem is that my life membership cards continue to show me as being born in 1898. I guess that quals me for the older-than-dirt sparring category. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 7:42:48 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Foreign IT Specialists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Effort Under Way to Recruit Foreign IT Specialists March 28, 2002 Ministry of Commerce, Industry and Energy, Korea The ministry of commerce, industry and energy (MCIE) is stepping up its efforts to meet the nationUs growing need for e-business experts, the ministry reported on Wednesday (March 27). As a first set of new measures, the ministry will start databasing qualified foreign specialists and post the data on the Website. When the project is completed, domestic businesses would have full and easy access to information on a legion of foreign IT specialists. They could then recruit the specialists who fit the profile of their technological needs. In addition, the ministry will soon dispatch a group of delegates to China in search of qualified Chinese e-business specialists, the ministry said. Also, the ministry will seek to expand the so-called "Gold System," a concerted recruiting effort that the ministry first employed in November 2000. The system, which promises favorable employment terms as well as visa arrangements for foreign IT specialists, has helped the ministry to find foreign specialists needed by local IT industries. Despite the ministryUs on-going effort, the manpower shortages in the e-business industry remain serious, the ministry said. According to an estimate, the industry has to fill more than 200,000 posts. In its long-term endeavor, the ministry will continue to support e-business university programs and training schools. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 7:59:11 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Good Friday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Friday. Have a wonderful weekend. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:35:46 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The Art of Reconciliation?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ian: "....To answer your question, after 32 years of involvement in several martial arts it s difficult to know where one ends and other begins. I am sure it influences my practice in some way. When considering the totality of my experience, I am only attempting to get to the truth of what combat is if one exist. ....." Sometimes it becomes very difficult to speak technically on this Nets so I want you to know that I appeciate what it takes to respond to the question I am framing here. A little bit ago I was asking about some unifying points or concepts that pull ChosonDo together. In reading your experiences concerning Kuk Sool, Hapkido and TKD I am, now, especially intrigued how you have come to pull these together. The focus of my question is not that you DID pull these together but rather HOW you did it. I think in the case of integrating Hapkido (at least the more Japanese influenced side IE. Sin Mu Hapkido, Mu Sool Kwan, etc.) with TKD with its Karate underpinnings I could see some commonalities to build on. But the way the body is used in the more CHinese-influenced traditions would seem to fly in the face of what the Japanese-influenced traditions ask of the practitioner. In my own case, a very good simile' would be the constant conflict I experience in sword practice where a majority of the instruction focuses on the Kendo-influenced sparring in armour, and only a small part is relevent to my Kum Bop training. The juk-to of sparring applications is handled in a very different way than the muk guem and Shin Guem of Kum Bop training. My question then is how you have come to reconcile---say--- the body motion of TKD with the body motion of Kuk Sool? Thanks for your patience. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Steverts@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:16:22 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had a horrible fear of forward rolls for a while, mostly because I did my first couple poorly and hurt my shoulder and neck even though the instructor spent some time in class with me carefully explaining everything. I tried it before I really knew what I was doing...even though we both thought I "had it." I'm 6'2" and thin, so the floor seems like it's miles away...and often feels like it is. I stopped attempting forward rolls in class until I could spend a couple short one on ones with an instructor. When he broke things down as some previous posters have described, I was able to "get it." The key for me was making sure that I leaned WAY down so that my shoulder was almost touching the ground...and it helped if I took a couple steps first to get some momentum. I'm still not great at them. I usually can't keep up with the pace of the class when doing falls, but at least I can do them without getting hurt, so I know I will improve with time. There are other falls that kind of scare me, but now I'm not too proud to explain to a new partner to take it a little easy...especially with sweeps, etc. Steve --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Morgan James To: 'Dojang Digest' Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:02:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Practice Knives Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have seen training knives that somehow hold colored chalk(I think it was chalk), in the blade in order to leave a mark on the uniform when someone does not block or defend properly against an attack. Does anyone know where I can purchase such a training knife? Thanks. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Practice Knives To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 9:47:51 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have seen training knives that somehow hold colored chalk(I think it was > chalk), in the blade in order to leave a mark on the uniform when someone > does not block or defend properly against an attack. Does anyone know where > I can purchase such a training knife? Try http://www.nolieblades.com. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Jeffery G. Dean Sr." To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:46:05 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Breakfalls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net melinda, I am 7th gup in TSD who is 6ft 335lbs, I love doing breakfalls, and like the man said, that wich does not kill us makes us stronger. Tang Soo jeffery sr. --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Rick Bean" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:07:44 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Southern California Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I've been a member of the list for some time but haven't posted in awhile. I am looking for any Hapkido people in the Murrieta/Temecula area of California to work out with. I am a TKD instructor and have some (limited) experience with HKD. If you have the time, I have the place. Rick Bean _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Lee Fisk" To: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:18:46 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Breakfalls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Melinda, We start out people with fear slowly. Rolls are initiated from the knee instead of standing. We work with back falls from sitting to familiarize timid students with the mechanics of slapping to dispel the force of the ground. I hope that you have a separate mat for the beginner so that they can practice their technique with minimum disruption and embarrasment. I used the easy fall approach with my son who now has lost most of his fear of falling and does rolls with the rest of the class. It has taken a year of effort to really overcome his fears. In his case he really needed to learn the technique in a very broken down basis (don't lock the arms, use your arms to help control your fall, make sure you are rolling up the arm, across the shoulder and down the other side, point in the direction you want to roll with your leading elbow, place your hands on the floor palms down with finger tips pointed towards each other.) Since it was my son I worked with and had success it may speak more towards our relationship then the ability to retain the slower student. Last week I tried with a walk in student who was there for the first time; she could never manage rolling by her own admission. I had her rolling from kneeling during the class and she was quite controlled during her rolls to her own surprise. She had some specific medical problems which she claimed affected her causing extreme disorientation as the result of rolling. She didn't come back. Lee (Tucson) 3rd Gup Hapkido Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:36:11 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Bigger folks doing breakfalls... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 15:32 3/28/02 -0600, you wrote: >i've got a student who's an 8th gup. she's scared to death of breakfalls and >rolls. its because she's very heavy and is fearful of injury. there is some >concern of that but we use an 8 inch landing mat. she's probably about 260lbs >and sometimes i think she uses her weight as an excuse not to do stuff. i >want to respect her knowledge of her own limitations, yet want to push her >beyond "i'm just too fat." any ideers? she has a very good grasp of other >techniques (basic kicks, punches, some hoshinsul), but the breakfalls have >stopped her in her tracks. >thanks! >melinda :) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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