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Today's Topics:

   1. Breakfalls & Rolls (Randall Sexton)
   2. Flooring System (RDNHJMS@aol.com)
   3. Re: korean text imput (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   4. Re: ustu registration (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   5. Bouncing Stretches (Teressa)
   6. Re: breakfalls (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   7. Re: breakfalls (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   8. Re: training knives (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   9. Re: breakfalls (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
  10. Re: heavy thoughts (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
  11. Re: breakfalls (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
  12. Re: ITF memo (Creed71963@aol.com)
  13. ?? (Chereecharmello@aol.com)
  14. Like, Duh Dude. (Chereecharmello@aol.com)

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Message: 1
From: "Randall Sexton" <txhapkido@thegateway.net>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:29:15 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] Breakfalls & Rolls
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

There was a good article on rolls and breakfalls titled "The Science of Ukemi"
in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts, Vol 8, Number 3, 1999. It starts off
with, "Most people have a natural fear of falling, and new students of
aikijutsu or aikido are no exception. In fact, one of the biggest challenges a
new student faces is becoming comfortable and confident of his ability to
receive a throwing technique and stay in one piece." Does this sound like what
you need, other than a 10 inch thick mat?


Randall Sexton
www.laughinghara.com

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Message: 2
From: RDNHJMS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:34:13 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Flooring System
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<Anyone using the Swain Flooring System, specifically their Gold Medal 
Mats?>>

Ray,

I couldn't afford the Gold Medal SportsMat system.  I have trained with mats 
before in the past, and have broken my little toe a couple of times when I 
got it caught in between mats in the seams.  

We bought the Bronze Medal floor a few years ago.  This way we could taylor 
it exactly to our dojang.  Fits great and not too bouncy or too soft to kick 
on, but good enough to dump guys like Mike Tomlinson on.  This is the one I 
recommend for Hapkido.  I send you a picture of it.

V/R,
Rick Nabors

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Message: 3
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:35:39 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: korean text imput
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

thanks for the help klaas...much appreciated :)
melinda

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Message: 4
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:42:53 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ustu registration
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<It would seem that this might spread out the registration pain a bit and 
give the good folks at USTU a fighting chance of processing forms in a 
timely manner.  It also gives USTU the opportunity to do some creative 
fund-raising things.  For example, they could send out renewal notices 6-8 
months into a given member's term with a note suggesting they "renew early 
and support USTU".>>

great idea...at least from my perspective. i wonder how we can go about 
helping with this. i wonder what the drawbacks would be for them if this was 
implemented. seems like if they have a database of members they could signal 
reminders for membership renewal? hmmm.

will be interesting to hear Master Sweet's ideas on this. 

melinda


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:01:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Teressa <teressa_trollope@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Bouncing Stretches
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hello,

I'm studying martial arts in South Korea, specifically
Taek kyon.  I've noticed we are taught to do bouncing
stretches here.  But, North American thought says that
bouncing is the worst thing you can do because you end
up with micro-tears in your muscles and so on.  Should
I and other students be worried about this?

Thanks very much,

Teressa
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http://greetings.yahoo.com/

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Message: 6
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:57:32 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

thanks, dakin. yes, we've had to adapt some conditioning stuff too for her 
knees. youre not the only one with that issue :). the breakfalls are a 
requirement in that she has to use them if she's paired up with someone for 
hoshinsul. however, they dont have to take the techniques all the way to the 
floor, i suppose. 

pushups are hard for her, too, due to weight and its hard for her to do the 
easier simplified pushups (on her knees instead of toes) so i'm trying to 
think of other chest exercises for her. 

melinda

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Message: 7
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:00:34 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<< I stopped attempting forward rolls in class until I could spend a couple 
short one on ones with an instructor. >>


i think we'll be able to do this, steve, which is a good idea. it will also 
cut out the embarrassment factor for her. we have a rather small class, but i 
think its still an issue: ashamed of weight factor as well as appearing 
"stupid" to others. we'll work on it together. thanks for your imput :)
melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy
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Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072
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Message: 8
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:06:01 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: training knives
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Try http://www.nolieblades.com.

y'know...i think these use something like lipstick and i would imagine one 
would go through a lot of shirts, wouldntcha? i was looking at these, too, 
but that was kind of a turnoff. might be fine for me, but i know my students 
wouldnt want to have to be in high supply of cheap t-shirts for knife 
training classes unless they were really dedicated to that part of the 
training. just some thoughts
mel


Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy
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Message: 9
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:08:07 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<I am 7th gup in TSD who is 6ft 335lbs,  I love doing breakfalls, and like 
the
man said, that wich does not kill us makes us stronger.>

thanks jeffery...i think i'll be sharing all of this support with my student. 
i appreciate the feedback from folks who've dealt with and met the same 
challenge. :)
melinda



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Message: 10
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:25:58 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: heavy thoughts
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<I am going to assume that like most people she has had more than enough
"help" (coaching, cajoling etc.) about her weight so I am not even going to
go there.  However, I think you can raise her comfort level significantly by
working on her conditioning (espec abdominals) and her range of motion and
flexibility. By this I mean that before she even begins to train in
breakfalls she must be confident that she can comfortably move through her
entire range of motion necessary without fear of "pulling" or straining
something.  I would start there various tumbling exercizes and skills.
Perhaps Hyung executed slowly with exaggerated motion might help.
Kinesthetics are the key to this and it has much more to do with HER comfort
level so it will probably be a slow haul with a lot of specialized
attention. 

BTW: There are some muscles which do not get attended to when involved with
these activities. Without getting graphic let me say that anyone who has
"leaked" (or anything else  :-)  ) when they have sneezed knows what I am
talking about. A breakfall for folks who are over-weight,  older,  or
perhaps  re-couping for a medical condition can easily be an occasion for
great embarrassment. There are old putz-s like me who could probably give a
healthy G-D what someone thinks. :-)   But most people have a well-developed
sense of decorum and rightly fear having something "disgraceful" happen at
that moment of impact when falling.  Just some thoughts.

Best Wishes, 

Bruce >>

hi bruce,

interesting expansion on this one. yes, she's been through the wringer about 
weight loss. i'm heavy myself, so i think its encouraging to her to know that 
since we opened our school here in october and i've been back on track with 
increased training, i've lost two sizes myself. slow but sure. she's also 
heard positive feedback from other students on their losses since starting. i 
think its courageous that she's there in the first place, which to me shows 
some dedication to her physical status and desires to improve her level of 
health whether or not that includes weight loss.

she's working on abdominals already, doing crunches in sets of 40, 30, 20, 10 
and has been able to get very close to completing each set in each round. 
she's also doing leg lifts. its been a confidence booster for her so far. 
hopefully, i can encourage her to continue these in her personal time away 
from the dojang and perhaps add some new exercises for her. i've even offered 
to give "phone support" if she'd like...all she has to do is tell me she'd 
like a push and i'll give it until she's able to do it herself. i think we 
all have trouble sometimes with the idea that action precedes motivation....i 
know i do :). just dont want to foster dependence here.

i'll approach the other topic with her and i think she'll be fine with 
discussing it. if her response is "depends"...lol....then i'll talk to her 
about kegel exercises to improve her ability to maintain her bladder. i hadnt 
even considered that...good point and thanks.

melinda

Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy
http://www.cjmaa.com
Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.cjmas.com
Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072
Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships

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Message: 11
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:29:47 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: breakfalls
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<To teach the front roll breakfall I've been using this trick which seems to
work niclely for newbees.  Get one of the BIG excercise balls - they're
usually green or red. Looking at a right front roll: At first the student
places right knee next to the ball (ball is on the ground) reaches over the
ball with right hand, places right cheek on ball then thrusts forward
executing the roll around the ball.  After some proficency, the ball can be
used without the reach over and finally gripped under the right arm and
standing up. Then it's time to loose the ball.

Miguel
Garcia's Tae Kwon Do
http://garciatkd.com>>

thanks miguel...
after all the feedback on this, we'll defintely be getting one of the workout 
balls. one of my masters was giving me another great ab exercise with these 
balls, too, so it just adds to the reason for getting one. thanks for the 
ideas!
melinda


Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy
http://www.cjmaa.com
Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply
http://www.cjmas.com
Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072
Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships

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Message: 12
From: Creed71963@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 01:25:33 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF memo
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Well, I have no idea what the heck is going on with the ITF. I am not a 
member of the ITF (Whichever one that is), but this seems to be a serious 
situation that could have some long-term effects on TKD down the road.

Can anyone explain to me, in simple and non-partisan langauge, what's 
happening? I get the impression of a muntiny by some ITF board members, and 
now there's two ITF running around, claiming there are the real ITF. I can't 
make any sense out of it from what I've read on-line, and I'm wondering if 
there's someone who can outline the events that seems to have caused this 
split in the ITF.....


Craig

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Message: 13
From: Chereecharmello@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:59:17 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] ??
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Have any of the DD members attained their PhD.'s in Martial Science or a 
similar field of study/research?

-Cheree

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Message: 14
From: Chereecharmello@aol.com
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:44:06 EST
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Like, Duh Dude.
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Responding to the "heavy" person using her size as an excuse...

OK. This comment will perhaps cause the DD members to conjure-up images of a 
ditzy little girl with pigtails bobbing back and forth when they see my name 
but here goes:

When I was a cheerleader back in the day, (let the laughter begin) we had to 
be able to execute a few basic gymnastic elements. One of which was a basic 
somersault. I will never forget a particularly heavy young lady going into 
hysterics. No one could understand her seriously adverse reaction to 
tumbling. She sobbed each and every time the coach or her fellow cheerleaders 
tried to teach her. She eventually quit. 

I saw this same person, now a very healthy looking/living young woman, not 
too long ago. I could not help but ask her why she quit cheerleading. She 
said that when she tucked her chin into her chest she nearly suffocated 
herself...

Perhaps some components of the Art are just beyond her (the heavy student's) 
physical limitations at this point...


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