Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #184 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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GM Jae Whan Lee (Bruce Sims) 3. Hapkido/Aikido (Ray Terry) 4. Re: Advertising (Piotr Bernat) 5. Re: 9/11/01 a photo collection around the world (Sugarftkd@aol.com) 6. Reputation and Marketing (Charles Richards) 7. GM West's HKD seminar in Jackson, MS (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 8. Cancun Sin Moo HKD Seminar (RDNHJMS@aol.com) 9. Uniform colors & Grandmaster West (Ray Terry) 10. Re: Cancun Sin Moo HKD Seminar (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:32:21 -0600 From: "d.mchenry" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] 17th and 18th International HapKiDo Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Ray, Rudy, Jere & Charles - I enjoy JR West's International HapKiDo & Korean MA Seminars so much I haven't missed one since the first time I attended. These are the first seminars that go on my calendar, others only if I can fit them in... Well worth the time and investment. Mac ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:49:55 -0600 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Jae Whan Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Richard: I am not familiar with GM Jae Whan Lee. Could you give me a little background on him and his place in the Hapkido hierarchy. I understand that you identified him with the title "kukjangnim" ("director"?) and that he is associated with the Korea Hapkido Federation. Is his tradition more to the Chinese (Kuk sul) or Japanese (Sin Mu) side of the Hapkido arts? Can we know who his teacher is/was? As always, I just think that we Hapkido people are better served when we have some information to go along with these names. I can't speak for anyone else but without the information to hang a name on it doesn't take long for me to start feeling overwhelmed. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 09:44:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido/Aikido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not really that interesting, but... Forwarded message: An Interview With Stephen Quadros - Fight Trainer / Advisor On "Exit Wounds" You recently were hired as a trainer for a Steven Seagal movie. Could you tell us what your job was? The film was "Exit Wounds" for Warner Bros. It starred Steven Seagal & rap superstar DMX. It was produced by Joel Silver who also produced "Matrix," "Romeo Must Die," "Predator" and "Lethal Weapon." My job was two fold: I was fight trainer for some of the actors and fight technical advisor for the film. As tech advisor my job was to make sure the fights didn't vear too far off into fantasy land. Dion Lam from Hong Kong ("Matrix," "Romeo Must Die") served as fight choreographer. His fight co-ordinating is first class so I barely had to "tech" anything. [snip] Many people say that Seagal is hard to work with. Did you find this to be true? I was hoping you wouldn't ask that question. But, since you did ... (laughs) He is on his own wave length, let's just put it that way. Before filming started Dion Lam had co-ordinated all the major fight scenes that involved Seagal with his double, Joe Bucaro, and DMX's double Errol G. All the producers came to Toronto to sit with Seagal to watch, critique and possibly change the fight scenes. The 2 stunt guys ran through the fights and everyone, including Seagal agreed they would work fine. Well a month and a half later it was time to shoot the fight scene with Seagal and DMX. Dion's guys ran through the same fight scene to remind Steven and DMX of the moves. Suddenly Seagal said these moves would not work and they had to change things to fit his 'style'. Then for at least an hour, Seagal, Dion Lam, director Andrej Bartkowiak and co-producer Dan Crachiollo argued and yelled at each other. Seagal left the set then came back and they started working on the fight scene, exactly as choreographed by Dion! Unfortunately Segal injured DMX's shoulder during the fight so X had to take a few days off. Another time we were filming this scene in this strip club with hundreds of extras. Seagal would show up late, shoot one take then while they were resetting the lights he would leave the set and get shuttled back to his trailer. Moments later people on the set would be looking for him to do the next shot but he wasn't there. So they had to call him back in his trailer EACH TIME. The whole journey back and forth between shots took at least 20 minutes minimum and we were getting way behind. Finally one of the producers called Seagal on his cell phone and just SCREAMED at him. The whole thing was like a Saturday Night Live parody. But it was real. They had to add a whole extra day of shooting in the club which, when you consider camera crew, lighting, building rental, food, extras, actors, it get kind of expensive to say the least. What kind of interaction did you and Seagal have? OK, if you have to know ... I had heard all the horror stories about how he would hurt actors and stunt performers, dislocated shoulders, kick guys in the nuts to see if they were wearing cups, etc. I had heard about Gene LeBell. So 2 weeks before we started shooting I was training DMX on the soundstage one and Seagal showed up and was throwing a few guys around on some mats on the other side of the stage. So I waited till he was finished and walked over and introduced myself. I figured why wait, he's going to see me around anyway. But I wasn't wearing a cup. I had left it in L.A.!!! So I stood kind of sideways just in case he decided to suddenly kick me in the family jewels. During the conversation he moved to where he was standing square with me. So while I was chatting with him I slowly moved back to where I was semi sideways again. He moved again to square up with me. I'm thinking, "This is not happening." So I switch to where my right foot was forward, turning sideways again the other direction. I was doing this very subtly. He had that 'look' in his eyes as he squared up with me again. I smiled, folded my hands in front of my groin and said I had to get going and walked away. It was VERY weird. Another time I told him I worked as commentator for the Pride Fighting Championships in Japan. I was wearing the Grupo Chute Boxe t-shirt that Vanderlei Silva had given to me after he defeated Bob Schreiber in the January 2000 Pride. Seagal told me he didn't think the fighters in Pride were very good and that he couldn't understand why Kazushi Sakuraba kept winning because he thought he was not very good either. I obviously didn't agree but felt it was not the time or place to get into it with Seagal. So I said, "But at least they test themselves on a regular basis." Then I told him I had heard that he had a student who he thought could defeat Sakuraba. He said he did. I said if he needed help putting the match together I may be able to help him but his guy might be asked to get some experience before going to Japan. We never spoke on the subject after that. I asked him if he would like for me to conduct an interview with him for Black Belt magazine. He declined. I kind of steered clear of him for the most part. But one time he came on the set and started walking right towards me. I thought, "Shit, I don't have my cup on!" So he walks close to me and my radar was up. Then he grabbed my wrist. I am not an Aikido guy and I'm not saying I am better than Seagal at wrist locks but my first instructor was Korean and had taught us Hapkido which included many techniques that were similar to Aikido. So I reversed his grab to were my hand was on his wrist. He grabbed the same wrist with his other hand. I reversed him again. This little game went on for about a minute. I was really trying not to upstage the guy because on a movie set it's a no win situation to do that to the star, especially him. But I for sure was not going to let him get me into a compromising position physically. I know guys he has hurt to the point of having to have surgery. He suddenly stopped and pointed at me and said, "You're good." I didn't know what to say so I just smiled. He walked away. [snip] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Piotr Bernat To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:18:45 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Advertising Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > JR is absolutely correct in his advise to create a good reputation. It > painfully apparent that advertising no longer brings enough people in the > door. In fact, in many cases ads do not even pay for itself (especially > Yellow Page ads). A good reputation, on the other hand, will not only bring > students into the school --- it keeps them there. We recently did some research about where the students get the information from. On our membership applications, we made an additional field "How did you get an information about our school?" Over 50 % of answers was "from a friend". About 30 % were flyers and 20 % advertising posters. Best regards -- Piotr Bernat dantaekwondo@lublin.home.pl http://www.taekwondo.prv.pl --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Sugarftkd@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:37:14 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 9/11/01 a photo collection around the world Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Re: 'Remember 9/11/01'- Here is an impossible photo collection from around the world. Pictoral evidence that humankind is on the right track. http://www.growit.com/america/ Original website was created by Ryan Garland. submitted by Elisabethe Tanzarello --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Reputation and Marketing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR is absolutely correct in his advise to create a good reputation. It painfully apparent that advertising no longer brings enough people in the door. In fact, in many cases ads do not even pay for itself (especially Yellow Page ads). A good reputation, on the other hand, will not only bring students into the school --- it keeps them there. Too true, on April 17th we will celebrate one year at our sub-leased gymnasium. We have small ads in two yellow pages and are listed on about five web-based studio listings. Here's an overview of our first year of advertising and tracking results. Our average cost for a student to call is $17. Our best producers to date have been 1. A demonstration with a raffle box for free lessons (13 leads $0 cost) 2. A community of 600 upper-middle class homes that is 3 miles from my school has a newsletter ($20/month) 3. Sharing two direct mailings with my landlord (daycare)about 1.5-2 info calls per 100 mailings....depends on the demographics of the list. 4. Referals based on our reputation (about 25% of current enrollment) 5. We have enrolled one student that called from our yellow page ad, but the mother actualy new another mother in our program, and was already sold (by the referal) before she called me. She actually called me up and told me everything about our program she liked, and why she wanted to enroll her son? Talk about an easy info call :-) What stands out is we have a 95% retention rate once we enroll a student. The town managers that invited us to the Easter Demo where so impressed with our youth students that they invited us back to their 4th of July Park event. So I would suggest a commitment to creating the best students you can, and to training yourself; martial skills, organizational skills, management skills, etc. All in all I'd say there's a balance, referals are by far the most efficient marketing, but whatever you do you need a SYSTEM that creates new leads, that developes new enrolments, that re-sells or upgrades existing clients, and that developes QUALITY blackbelts out the back end, or you will be going out of business soon.... Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 15:30:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM West's HKD seminar in Jackson, MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain, Don't forget what the seminar t-shirts said this year! Hapkido, Taekwondo and Tangsoodo! (the taekwondo and tangsoodo seminars were held Friday afternoon). Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul <> --__--__-- Message: 8 From: RDNHJMS@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 17:39:54 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cancun Sin Moo HKD Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Ji's Sin Moo Hapkido seminar in Cancun, Mexico is scheduled for 11-12 May 2002. The seminar will be in the "Continental Villas Plaza Hotel", located in: Blvd. Kukulcan km 11,5, Hotel Zone of Cancun, Q. Roo, México. This hotel is located in the best zone of Cancun, in front of the sea and a superior service. The rooms in the Continental Villas Plaza Hotel have a special cost of $ 125 USD all-inclusive per night for two people. Also we have obtained an excellent price in the "Margaritas Hotel" of Holliday Inn, located in downtown, Avenue Yaxchilan no. 41, 22 SM Tel: +52 (998) 884-9333 Fax: +52 (998) 884-1324. Room $ 60 USD per night Breakfast, food and dinner Buffet: Breakfast $ 7 USD, Lunch$ 7 USD, Dinner$ 10 USD V/R, Rick Nabors --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:16:16 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniform colors & Grandmaster West Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From the Kempo FAQ... In Great Grandmaster James Mitose's book What is True Self Defense, he lists the color of uniforms in Kempo as: Great Grand Master = yellow uniform Grand Master = purple uniform Head Master = red uniform Master = orange Teacher = black Assistant Teacher = blue Student = white uniform Grandmaster West... Aren't you glad you aren't in Kempo? Or maybe you look good in Purple.?. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cancun Sin Moo HKD Seminar To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 17:57:58 PST Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > GM Ji's Sin Moo Hapkido seminar in Cancun, Mexico is scheduled for 11-12 May > 2002. > > The seminar will be in the "Continental Villas Plaza Hotel", located in: > Blvd. Kukulcan km 11,5, Hotel Zone of Cancun, Q. Roo, México. > > This hotel is located in the best zone of Cancun, in front of the sea and a > superior service. Damn... Sounds like a great time. I'll be watching the Ohio River float by on Mother's Day. I'd much rather be watching the sea roll in... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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