Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:06:42 -0800 (PST) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #185 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Dress Code (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. Ohio River (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 5. New school advice? (Lasich, Mark D.) 6. Having a successful dojang (Hapkido Self Defense Center) 7. TaeKwonDo Times and the ATA (Lasich, Mark D.) 8. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter April 2002 (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Richard Hackworth" <> To: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:29:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Jae Whan Lee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Jae Whan Lee was a student of Myong Yong Kim and Ji Han Jae. An interview with him will be posted at www.hapkido-info.net in a few weeks that will include his full background. He always speaks highly of GM Ji even though they have not seen each other for many years. He is the one responsible for encouraging people to hang GM Ji's photo in the schools of Korea again in recent years. Although he speaks flawless English when he wants to, this is his first trip to the US. Richard Hackworth --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 02:43:08 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 04/01/2002 2:15:11 PM EST, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << Message: 7 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: sam saenz To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig, Gathered from the information on the ITF website, the reason for the split, is that someone or some group do not want Master Choi to be the next president. Master Choi was legally voted to be the next president by the ITF board. All of a sudden, in some emergency meeting, which was apparently illegal, Master Choi was removed, and then expelled. I do not know exactly why. Allegations have been flying back and forth since the split, so its hard to get facts. You are so right that TKD is going to suffer in the long run. I went on the bulletin board a couple of days ago, and posted a plea to stop. I got good responses, but someone started mudslinging at someone else's response, and it started all over again. Sad situation indeed. To me Tae Kwon Do is Tae Kwon Do no matter what the organization. You may get some feedback by going back through the archives on the website. Don't get caught in all the hoopla. The best thing we can do is train hard and carry on the Tae Kwon Do tradition as we have been taught. Tae Kwon Sam Saenz >> So, Master Choi the younger, who was (in theory) duly elected by the membership of the ITF to be it's next head, was unceremoniously unelected by who? Wouldn't it take the membership of the ITF to unelect him? It would seem to me that unless Master Choi has done something that would seriously tarnish the ITF as a organization, such a move would be illegal. But since I don't know the ITF by-laws, I have no idea what position these people who have unelected Master Choi are claming as a defense. Usually, if someone is dissatisfied with a Federation, they leave and form their own (Which why if you have three KMA masters together, there's seven federation/associations/unions/other groups represented), not 'hijack' the Federation with something like this. Does anyone know under what circumstances that these people can claim to be able to do such a thing? I have no stake in this -- I am not an ITF member. Heck, my main KMA isn't even TKD. But unless these people have a compelling case for such an action, it appears to me that Master Choi and his supporters are in the right on this -- that his removal as the next head of the ITF is illegal. This is going to hurt TKD -- not directly, not immediately, but down the road. I expect to see another TKD Federation of some sort arise out of this, splintering TKD's influence even more. Heaven knows we need another TKD organization like I need to be thrown around by Steven Sagal, but with nearly every TKD federation/associations/unions/other groups out there grabbing for a smaller piece of the pie, there is a point where there is going to be a collapse that is going to rattle the TKD world. Of course, that's my Opinion, I could be wrong....^_^ Craig --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 07:20:47 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dress Code Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "....Grandmaster West... Aren't you glad you aren't in Kempo? Or maybe you look good in Purple.?. :)...." I believe the correct manner of address is "Supreme Great Grand Master..." and the appropriate color code is yellow and purple check (ermine collar optional). If my resource (Fredericks of Hollywood) is correct the proper belt is one-third white, one-third red and one-third Black with 10 fusha buttons of identifying rank (in order to preclude confusion with the national flag of Germany). Liberace', eat yer heart out. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:18:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ohio River Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Me to, but the Ohio River is just down the street. To bad you are on the other end of the state.... <> --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:43:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] New school advice? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been reading, with interest, the thread on reputation and marketing, and fully agree that focusing on quality is a must. However, this brings another question to mind: After your school has become established, is there one thing you wish you would have done sooner? What I am looking for is some advice from school owners, from your experience, that might be of use to someone just starting a school. Something that you are now doing that you wished you started sooner, realized earlier, thought about first, implemented from the beginning, didn't do at all, etc........ I know, there's probably more than one thing, but listening to information about the minimal impact of yellow page ads makes me think that money is better spent elsewhere in the beginning...... So, any little hints like that are greatly appreciated. Thank you. In the spirit, Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Hapkido Self Defense Center" To: Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:45:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Having a successful dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net After 20 years of teaching part time as a not for profit instructor, opening a full time dojang was a challenge. It was a completely different environment. Yes, I looked at all the marketing programs but the most valuable information I received was from Master / Mrs. West and Master Timmerman. The belt mill marketing programs have value but only for short term advertising ideas. Besides the cost is outrageous for what you get and 99% of them are founded by American karate type folks who have no frame of reference for what I am teaching or doing. For example, Mrs. West and I spent an entire evening going over everything. She made copies of materials and even had them bound in a book for me. When Master West first opened a full time hapkido dojang in the 70's, everyone told him it would not work. Those who told him it would not word probably do not even have their dojang anymore. The best advise I can give an instructor is to talk to your instructor and find those that have been teaching full time since the stone age. You will get more information than any program or book. They are obviously doing something right! Just my opinion. Jere R. Hilland www.geocities.com/hapkiyukwonsul --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:52:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] TaeKwonDo Times and the ATA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, it looks like the ATA has broken the silence.....the recent issue of TaeKwonDo Times has an overview article on the ATA by Sr. Master G.K. Lee and Master Jay Kohl. It is good to see the ATA finally getting into the mix in these publications, and will, perhaps, dispell some of what I view as the mystery surrounding the ATA - made the cover too! If you get a chance, reading the article will give some insight into the ATA and Eternal GrandMaster H.U. Lee's vision. In the spirit, Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 8:42:13 PST Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter April 2002 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for April 2002. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms including: WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue: *Registration Packets Now Online *Team Trials Head to Atlanta *National Championship Correction *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule *Registration Packets Now Online Registration forms and information for the AAU Taekwondo National Championship are now available online in a printable PDF format. Download complete registration information at: http://www.aautaekwondo.org/AAu%20TKD%20Pkt.pdf AAU Junior Olympic Games information is also available online. You can download the info packet and registration forms for the Taekwondo competition at the 2002 AAU Junior Olympic Games at http://www.aaujrogames.org/~sports/Taekwondo.html *Team Trials Head to Atlanta Team Trials for the AAU Taekwondo Team will be held in September in Atlanta, Georgia. Invitations to Team Trials will be extended to the 1st-4th place competitors at the AAU Taekwondo National Championship competing in the Black Belt Olympic Sparring divisions for ages 14-17 and 18-34. *National Championship Correction Please be advised that there is a typo in the National Championship package. The room rate for the Downtown Marriott (our headquarters hotel) in Greensboro, NC for this year's event is listed at $74.00. The correct rate is $84.00. *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule April 06, 2002 Region #6 Championship East Peoria High School 1401 E. Washington IL 6161 East Peoria, IL 61611 Contact Al Nimmo 1 Eastside Drive E. Peoria, IL 61611 309 698-5437 ext 33 fitnimmo@msn.com April 06, 2002 Minnesota AAU Championship Hamline University 1536 Hewitt Avenue St. Paul, MN 55104 Contact: tom Malone 7709 Perry Avenue Brooklyn Park, MN 55443 763 533-0954 April 6, 2002 Gulf AAU Championship Delmar Stadium 2020 Mangum Huston, TX Contact: Frank Santarose 870 S. Mason Road #112 Katy, TX 77450 281 392-4611 office 832 526-6389 cell kidfit@ev1.net April 6, 2002 Gulf AAU Championship Delmar Stadium 2020 Mangum Huston, TX Contact: Frank Santarose 870 S. Mason Road #112 Katy, TX 77450 281 392-4611 office 832 526-6389 cell kidfit@ev1.net April 13, 2002 Virginia AAU Championship Wells Field House Ft. Belvoir, VA Contact James Roberts Sr. 7085 Brooksfield Plaza Springfield, VA 22150 703 569-4838 grandmaster@robertskarate.com April 13, 2002 Metropolitan Championship Fallsburg HS Contact William Young Jr. 9 Murphy Road Woodbourne, NY 12788 845 436-5694 youngstkd@in4web.com April 13, 2002 Region #9 AAU Championship Barnett Stadium Contact: Mark Giambi 4215 Bellaire Blvd. Houston, TX 77025 716 666-6655 mgiambi@aol.com April 20, 2002 Ozark AAU Championship Webster University Gym Edgar & Big Bends Roads Contact Pat Weseman 3666 Gail Drive Imperial, MO 63052 314 854-3392 pweseman@aol.com April 20, 2002 New England AAU Championship Montpelier High School Montpelier, VT Contact: Bob Decker 735 Perkins Lane Orleans, VT 05860 802 525-3439 rkdecker@sover.net April 21, 2002 New Jersey Championship Morris Knolls Regional HS Rockaway, NJ Contact Kevin Balon 11-F Harts Lane East Brunswick, NJ 08816 732 254-1214 EBTC@Juno.com April 21, 2001 Rocky Mountain AAU Championship Campion Academy 300 42nd St. SW Loveland, CO Contact Mike Parr 5010 Granite St. Unie E2 Loveland, CO 80538 970 663-4150 mlparr@wctechnologies.com April 27, 2002 Central CA Championship Kerman H.S. Contact Paul Sullivan S. Madera Ave. Ste 109 Kerman, CA 93630 559 846-3222 Pauls@sullivanstkd.com April 27, 2002 Region #12 Championship Spanaway Lake HS Contact Ric Gordon 121 165th St. East Spanaway, WA 98387 253 536-1146 britttkd@aol.com April 27, 2002 North Carolina Championship Contact David Sgro 403 N. Reilly Road Fayetteville, NC 28303 910 860-1234 tsdsabomnim@aol.com April 27, 2002 Ohio AAU Championship Monroe High School Monroe, OH Contact Ernie Pendergrass PO Box 447 Monroe, OH 45050 513 539-2969 monroema@infinet.com April 27, 2002 New Mexico AAU Championship Roosevelt Middle School Contact Antoinette Chavez 1925 Central NE Suite A-D Albuquerque, NM 87123 505 294-6302 TMK ALC@aol.com May 04, 2002 South Texas Championship San Antonio College San Antonio, TX Contact Rosalio Martinez 9585 Braun Road San Antonio, TX 78212 210 680-9224 katkd1@flash.net May 04, 2002 Southeastern AAU Champ. Cumberlnad University Lebonan, TN Contact Kim Cerami 4004 Hillsboro Pike Suite B250 Nashville, TN 37215 615 383-4900 info@successtkd.com May 04, 2002 Southeastern AAU Championship Cumberland University 218 Greenwood Avenue Lebanon, TN 37087 Contact: Kim Cerami 4004 Hillsboro Pike Suite B250 Nashville, TN 37215 615 383-4900 615 383-0387 fax info@successtkd.com May 05, 2002 Region #1 Championship Niskayuna High School Niskayuna, NY 12309 Contact Mike Friello 2434 Troy Road Niskayuna, NY 12309 518 372-6849 mfriello@aol.com May 11, 2002 Region #13 Championship Univ. of San Francisco Memorial Gym 2335 Golden Gate Ave. S.F. California Contact Bill Dewart 988 Oak St. San Francisco. CA 94117 415 864-4827 tkdbill@pacbell.net May 18, 2002 Region #2 Championship Contact Roger Cavanaugh 8-E Jay Gould Court Waldorf, MD 20602 301 645-0450 rc111255@aol.com May 18, 2002 Southeastern AAU Champ. Nashville, TN Contact Kim Cerami 4004 Hillsboro Pike Suite B250 Nashville, TN 37215 615 383-4900 info@successtkd.com May 18, 2002 Florida AAU Championship Kissimmee Civic Cetr. Contact Jack Gunter 813 689-2255 Btkd@earthlink.net May 18, 2002 Michigan AAU Championship Univ. Park Conference Ctr. 2424 Mission St. Mt. Pleasant, MI 48858 Contact Tim McHugh 23914 Ford Road Dearborn, MI 48127 313 278-1640 Aautkdmi@aol.com June 01, 2002 Pacific AAU Championship Watsonville, CA Contact Tim Dunphy 831 722-0963 June 01, 2002 Oklahoma AAU Championship USA Stars sports training facility 2600 S. Service Road Moore, OK Contact: Todd Sexton 405 818-7237 ToddsextonS@aol.com July 3-6, 2002 National AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Championship Greensboro, NC Contact: Michael Friello: 518-372-6849 MFriello@aol.com August 7-10, 2002 2002 AAU Junior Olympic Games Knoxville, Tennessee Mike Friello 518-372-6849 mfriello@aol.com ************************************************************** *Special Introductory Offer Exclusively for AAU Members from Summit Flexible Products. Buy 50 or more CardioFlex(tm) or CardioFlex Twin martial art mats and get tapered safety edge strips FREE. 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