Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #193 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: spam (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 2. Gm Cho Tourny results (Ray Terry) 3. Re: Top 10 Martial Arts on TV (Nick Oosting) 4. RE:Top 10 Martial Arts (txskater@attbi.com) 5. Non MA Help Needed (Howard Wilson) 6. to work and play well with others (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 7. Belgium Open Results (Ray Terry) 8. Look out London (Ray Terry) 9. RE: Bassai, what way is the right way ?? (NESSWORTHY, KEN) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:12:45 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: spam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i hate to give this much bandwidth as thats what the trolling purpose is of the spam author... however, is this not libel? check out: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/03/cyber/cyberlaw/31law.html perhaps some folks should take more care with how they defame others over the internet....cuz it still counts. hmmmm melinda <From: "tkd net mailing list admin" > > much BS snipped... > >We do have some rules of conduct which we require all members to >accept. First, we request that all members participate in a respectful >and professional manner. Disrespectful conduct is unacceptable. > >Second, we ask that you keep in mind that we are currently boycotting >the support of the mailing list called Dojang Digest. There numerous >reasons, the biggest one being the protection of our members. The >Dojang Digest has become known as a haven for fakes, frauds and >people of the lowest character within the Korean Martial Arts on the >internet. Many reputable practitioners have found their name smeared >and their reputation soiled by this type of DD member, with the latest >being threats to have their legitimate rank revoked by unscrupulous >persons. Since these negative situations and consequences were a >direct result of being associated with DD, the reputable and >legitimate practitioners are now moving away from said forum.>> Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 9:42:09 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Gm Cho Tourny results Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Note some very well known names in the results of Gm Cho's tourny last month. The first column is the winner, second column is their instructor. Ray ========================================= Forwarded message: SENIORS FORMS MEN BLACK 1 Ron Van Clief Peter Urban NY 2 Earl Woodbury Peter Urban NY 3 Marlon Hudak Marlon Hudak NJ 3 Boris Martin Sr. Almeda NY --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:33:02 -0400 From: "Nick Oosting" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Top 10 Martial Arts on TV Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Top ten based on what criteria? Popularity? Name recognition? Just curious. What channel? Thanks, Nick --__--__-- Message: 4 From: txskater@attbi.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 16:38:58 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Top 10 Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I saw that as well and had to laugh at it. How can you rank martial arts?? They are different styles that fit every indivual and not all of the masses. And I do not agree with TKD being #7. What a crock to me. Walt Morrison --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:53:30 -0400 From: Howard Wilson To: Dojang Digest , eskrima list Subject: [The_Dojang] Non MA Help Needed Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, This is non-MA (sorry Ray) related but I need some help about video formats. We have an exchange student living with us, here in the US, from China, who will be returning home this summer and I have some video we have shot that we want to send with him but I do not know what format they use (NTSC, PAL, other??) Any list members from that side of the world that could help me out? Thanks, Howard Wilson OK to send it private to keep Ray happy :) howard@one.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 13:10:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] to work and play well with others Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....* ITF is sponsored by the North Korean government ($500K yearly loan). * Pictures of North Korean President on walls of the ITF headquarters. * North Korea not happy with General's son in charge. * No ITF/WTF merger in process. * ITF Vienna panicked and withdrew decision on the President's term. * Supporters of the General's son agree on split. * General's son kicked out of the ITF. * Two web sites set up as the original was threatened with legal action. * Both organizations running in parallel: Democratic ITF (Canada), Communist ITF (Vienna). * Several seniors on both sides getting bad press, they will have difficulty if the organization ever reunites. They have split on geographical/political differences....." Oh Goody. Just what we needed: yet another division in the KMA. We have the possibility of reconciling the entire peninsula of Korea for the first time in about a century and you would think, fer gawds sake, that somebody, somewhere, could see beyong their own agenda. And who made up this list of observations? > * ITF is sponsored by the North Korean government ($500K yearly loan). > Well, your right. Thank Gawd we don't do this in the US for the NFL or > Baseball. I don't know what I would do if I ever found out that organized > sports in the States gets special treatment under Anti-trust legislation, > or tax considerations or subsidies for building parks. > * Pictures of North Korean President on walls of the ITF headquarters. And > I would certainly be appalled to see any pictures of American presidents, > senators or mayors in the offices of the organized sports. > * North Korea not happy with General's son in charge. Would we in the > States be any happier with a pro-NK president? > * No ITF/WTF merger in process. Oh well, now THATS a big surprise. Yes, > and those talks were doing SO WELL. Like they really needed just one more > excuse not to reconcile. I think the Korean words to describe this impasse > include "status" and "job security". Correct me if I am wrong but aren't > the leaders of this organization suppose to be the products of years of > training in TKD and TSD? Is this the fantastic character-building benefits > that are touted on the windows of street dochang across America? > But take heart. I won't let this get me down. Just do me a favor and save your breath preaching to me about how TKD belongs in the Olympics as an art representative of the Korean people. Last I checked, the Korean people lived on BOTH sides of the 38th parallel. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:32:27 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Belgium Open Results Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Subject: Belgium Open Results From: USTU Webmaster Kay Poe (Female - Bantam Wt) 1st match def. Imran Altin, Austria (5:4) Quarterfinal def. harissa Soumeru, Netherlands(7:0) semifinals def. Lisa Poulter, Great Britain (3:3) Finals lost to Hamide Bikcin Tosun, Turkey (5:3) Results 1st Turkey 2nd USA 3rd GBR 3rd Tevka Huliselan, Netherlands Peter Lopez (Male Bantam) 1st match def. Mhamed Rami, France (5:2) 2nd match def. Khalique, Norway (2:-2) quarter final def. Manuel Rotter, Austria (2:0) semi final def. Omar Badia, Spain (6:3) final def. Oscar Salazar, Mexico (6:6) Results 1st USA 2nd MEX 3rd Spain 3rd Ramazan Bostanci, Norway Mandy Meloon 1st match def. Annie-Pier Turcotte (8:4) CAN 2nd match def. Onaki Montano (10:4) MEX 3rd match def. Condu Guvenc (3:2) TUR Semi-final def. Maya Arusi (9:2) ISR Final def. Carmen Morales(16:14) MEX Results 1st USA 2nd MEX 3rd ISR 3rd AUS (Christina Falieros) Simona Hradil 1st match def. Wassila Taja (7:4) BEL 2nd match def. Yoriko, Yoriko (5:5) ESP Semi-final lost to Tugba Abus (4:2) TUR Results 1st NOR Nina Solheim 2nd TUR 3rd USA 3rd NED Yvonne Oude Littikhuis 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze = First place for Club Teams National Teams 1st TUR 2nd ESP 3rd MEX ________________________________________________________________________ US Taekwondo Union One Olympic Plaza Ste 104C Colorado Springs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 719-578-4642 (fax) --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:27:36 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Look out London Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net fyi... I'll be visiting London, England for a few days later this month. If anyone would like to get together for training, drinking... err pub food, etc, please let me know. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "NESSWORTHY, KEN" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:46:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Bassai, what way is the right way ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, This will probably put the cat among the pigeons so I will apologize first for my ignorance. The first question I have for the group came about while I was performing Bassai (52 moves) to a visiting master from another association. Upon completing the hyung to the best of my ability he mentioned that all the knife hand blocks are high section and not middle section. He went on to state that this was the way he was taught and the way he teaches and that, it is the correct way. I on the other hand was taught that after coming out of the spear hand, punch, block, punch, block in horse stance that you step up and execute a left mid section KH block then a right mid section KH then another left KH (hope I have not lost anyone here). Then step back into a high right hand block. On looking in to this further, in G.M. Hwang Uk Lee's book the students demonstrates the hyung using all knife hand block's. By the way I am ex WTSDA and that is where I was taught the hyung. Second question pertains to "traditional TSD hyungs" Can anyone shred some light on this? I have heard and read many different things and see different associations/organizations teach different hyungs at different levels and all claim they are the traditional TSD hyungs. All I want to do is teach the traditional TSD hyungs in the correct sequence according to what grade students are at. A list of what grades should do what hyung up 8th Dan would be appreciated (not that I will teach beyond what I know). One thing I don't want is to get into a 'bickering' match; just some simple info is needed. Best Regard, Ken Nessworthy Sam Dan Shinson Tang Soo Do Association --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest