Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:31:17 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #197 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Krav Maga for Forty Somethings (Alagna, Steven M) 4. Re: Most Hyung Stuff (Bruce Sims) 5. (no subject) (Randall Sexton) 6. Re: protecting loved ones (DrgnSlyr5@aol.com) 7. Re; Bruce & Hyungs (Charles Richards) 8. top ten in Daytona (michael tomlinson) 9. RE: Top Ten Martial Arts Co (Kirk Lawson) 10. Textbook issue (Ray Terry) 11. Talks Expected (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Walter Morrison" To: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:05:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Speaking of kicks.. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I took a heel kick to the groin this past weekend. I wasnt wearing my cup as it is very uncomfortable and hard to perform kicks while wearing. My opponent had intended to side kick to my chest and his balancing foot slipped while his kicking foot lowered. By this time, I was coming into to snap kick him in the chest. Well, needless to say, he made contact way before I did. And the he accidently twisted his foot, grinding it into my groin. I dropped, grabbed the boys, and made sure I was alright. I crawled back up and continued fighting until it was over. I then went and sparred another student without any major injuries. Once I left class, my fiancee and I (she is also a tkd student) got in the car. I said, rather plainly, "Oh, my balls hurt". Which I guess is understandable. We got home and sure enough they had swollen up a little bit. But now I am back to form and ready for the next class and sparring match. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: DS26347@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:08:00 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] CDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just what is the purpose of a system like CDT when all one has to do in an art such as Hapkido is to change the intent? >> With CDT the basics are taught in a short period of time and all the techniques are structured to not cause injury. Hapkido requires more dedication and practice. > Some of the first techniques taught > can be used to restrain someone while you have a serious chat with them or > to > injure them seriously in life-threatening situations >> I agree, but again Hapkido requires more time and dedication. Many people that train in CDT never trained in Martial arts. The simplicity, ease and less time required to learn the system attracted them when martial arts would not. Also from my understanding of Hapkido, there is no requirement to understand the use of force laws and the consequences of applying the techniques. CDT applied properly can achieve the same goals in lower force situations BUT without the injury and legalities involved. Dan --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Alagna, Steven M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:22:06 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Krav Maga for Forty Somethings Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray asked: < To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Most Hyung Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dakin: ".....Funakoshi was a little guy, and when he did his shuto (oop! I mean sudo! No! I mean sonnal! Sorry!) blocks, they were always done at the high section because everyone was bigger than him. Some of his students figured that was the way they were supposed to be. Keeping them at middle level allows you to use your lats and pects more efficiently, and allows your elbow to guard your floating ribs. Stick to the middle path (unless you're a short person)!....." Hmmmm. I gotta think on this one for a minute cause I think there are a couple of things going on here.:-) Lets assume for a minute that we are talking about a TKD tradition which is directly influenced by Shotokan Karate. In that case, we have the influence of OS Funakoshi who is trying to take a combat form and modify it to a sport form worthy of use by the Japanese school system. So right away if there is a combat application for a move, that application has to give way to a movement which is optimal for physical education application. Now we take it a step farther and have OS Funakoshis' son, Gigo and OS M Nakayama who takes a VERY scientific approach to Karate training. (Just read DYNAMIC KARATE if you want to get a feel for his approach.) Between these two we now have exaggerated stances, lunge punches, and deeper knee flexation. Go back to OS Funakoshi's book and compare his very high Forward and Back stances. Why am I stressing this? Because I am not so sure that OS Funakoshi used the higher block or strike as a result of being shorter. Each person, relative to their silouette, has approximately and proportionately the same area to defend regardless of their stature. My guess is that what you are seeing in the higher block would have been an exaggeration to get a body movement over a wider range of motion. In combat application, Dakin, I would go for your tighter and better muscled application. Now, if somebody pressed me about the combat application for the same blocks I would interpret a high block as preparatory for a descending Palm block which would transition into a grasp. A middle block would transition into an insdie-outside palm block and also become a grasp. Since each hyung motion is known to have both a concussive and a grappling application, I mention only the grappling since we all know the more obvious concussive block&punch application. BTW: Thanks for the suggestion of the book. I hadn't heard of that title. BTW#2: If our inquiring BB is still listening and would like something closer to TKD application but not GM Kang Uk Lee (TSD)there is a whole series of Shotokan Karate kata called BEST KARATE, each volume of which handles one or two of the 15 kata associated with Shotokan. The reason I mention this is because these books also include some genrally accepted albeit fundamental applications that justify particular motion. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 13:02:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "As a Texican brave enough to admit that he does "Zen Shiatsu", he probably knows about life threatening situations... :)" Ray Terry Yes, Heal'n & Kill'n, Inc. That's my game. Perfect balance of Yin/Yang. Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DrgnSlyr5@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:51:18 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: protecting loved ones Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/9/2002 6:43:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: << ...CDT is the only system to date that I've seen address protecting the family and loved ones as part of their system. >> There is a Hapkido article in Black Belt Magazine May 2002 on protecting the innocent. Sharon --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Re; Bruce & Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I used to think that it was a kind of "Confucian thing," that prevented Koreans from investing in things martial. But the fact is that Korean nationals buy into the whole Japanese cum Korean traditions Big Time, so I don't think thats it. " Bruce, I am as perplexed as you, however, the Korean market apparently selects the Japanese arts over korean...As early as 1945 immediately after the occupation GM Hwang could not generate enough interest in Hwa Soo Do (so named to honor this flowering period of nationalism) to continue teaching his Chinese influenced art. But his railroad based Korean Karate (Tang Soo Do) spread like wildfire (or trainfire I'm not sure)? Go figure, neh. Let's take that one step further, many in the USA would argue that your martial arts rank and/or training is inferior if not directly from a Korean Master (like kukkiwon certificates). Or even worse if you "Americanize it" (American TSD or American Free style). But we have been practicing the martial arts in the US for about 55 years since WW II, which is ironically how long the Koreans had been doing Karate-do when Tang Soo Do was founded circa 1944. So how can we expect Koreans to reject good martial arts because parts of it or it's roots are Japanese? Master Dunn said it well hyungs (and the art) evolve as all the serious players learn more and train harder/smarter. So are you traditional if you honor the roots in creating your own new seed, or only if you save the entire tree just because it's old? Train with Jung Do in your hearts The rest is commentary Charles Richards Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:19:29 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] top ten in Daytona Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I should do a list of the top ten things I've seen (or done) in Daytona during bike week, spring break, b.c.r., etc... I've lived and worked in this town for 17 years and the top ten definately couldn't be put on a cable tv show!!! Actually I could do a mini serie of each event and sell it thru the "girls gone wild" video people!! Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:40:00 -0500 From: Kirk Lawson Organization: Heapy Engineering To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ("THE$DOJA@SMTP {the_dojang@martialartsresource.net}") Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Top Ten Martial Arts Co Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 20:23:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Ken McDonough > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Top Ten Martial Arts Continued > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Actually, Aikido is heavily steeped in "Chi" and spiritual > wrappings. That depends heavily on the style of Aikido. Some styles emphasize Ki much more then others. The two extremes typically cited are "Ki Society" on one end and "Tomiki" on the other end. > I met a good Aikido instructor in Cebu, Philippines who lived and > breathed (sic) the Aikido concepts. But he did have a smell for lack of > baths. The Chi did not help that. I also heard that a bunch of thugs jumped > him to see how good he was and apparently he was hurt bad. A macabre way > to see if your art is better than a well known practitioner's art. I'm very sorry to hear that. As of 8:45 on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, I live in a united nation. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:05:32 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Textbook issue Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Textbook Claims Tok-do as Japanese Territory -- Fresh Diplomatic Row Looms -- By Shim Jae-yun Korea Times Staff Reporter South Korea and Japan are facing a fresh diplomatic row as Japan has authorized a high school textbook that claims the Tok-do islets in the East Sea as its territory. The Japanese government yesterday announced that it had endorsed six textbooks, including the controversial ``Newest Japan History,'' so they can be adopted by high schools. The ``Newest Japan History,'' compiled by a private publication company, became the core of the dispute as it claims Tok-do as its territory. In its conclusion, the controversial history textbook cites the need for Japanese people to recognize that Tok-do and Japan's other territorial lands are threatened by foreign countries. It also argued that the Southern Kurils, also known as the Northern Territories in Japan, which is at the center of a territorial dispute with Russia, and the Senkakus, claimed by China, belong to Japan. Seoul officials said five other textbooks have also failed to accurately describe historical facts between the two neighbors. The alleged mistakes include Japan's allegations that the ancient Yamato forces set up an occupation post on the Korean peninsula during the Three Kingdoms period on the Korean peninsula. They also failed to mention Japan's alleged wartime atrocities, including the forcible subscription of Asian women, including Koreans, as sexual slaves for Japanese soldiers during World War II. A Foreign Affairs-Trade Ministry official expressed concern that the latest textbook issue will spark diplomatic friction between the two nations, despite the need to solidify bilateral cooperation ahead of the World Cup finals that start on May 31. The new textbook incident comes as a surprise, as it followed the ``agreement toward future-oriented relations'' reached between President Kim Dae-jung and Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi. Last year, South Korea and Japan agreed to set up a panel for joint history research to avoid diplomatic conflicts following Japan's alleged distortion of historical facts in middle school textbooks. ``This means Japan lacks the will for the correction of distorted school textbooks,'' the ministry official said, revealing wariness over the possible repercussions from civic and related organizations. Relevant civic bodies yesterday held a press conference in downtown Seoul, criticizing Japan for having attempted to distort historical facts again. The Foreign Affairs-Trade Ministry released an official statement expressing regret over Japan's authorization of the textbooks. ``We strongly hope that the ``Korea-Japan joint declaration for partnership toward 21st century'' adopted in 1998, will be the basis for historical education between the two nations,'' said Choo Kyu-ho, the ministry's director general in charge of Asia-Pacific affairs. He said the ministry would continue efforts to ensure more accurate compilation of textbooks through the Korea-Japan joint forum for historical research. Six companies plan to submit samples for the textbooks by mid-May so that high schools will be able to select the textbook, if they want. The ministry noted there were some positive descriptions in the new textbooks concerning, for example, the removal of contents eulogizing Japan's absorption of the Choson Kingdom, colonial rule over Korea and the great earthquake in Japan. jayshim@koreatimes.co.kr --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:07:35 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Talks Expected Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Diverse S-N Exchanges, Talks Expected April 9, 2002 Various inter-Korean contacts and meetings are expected to take place in the coming months to translate into action South-North agreements reached during the talks between the South's presidential envoy Lim Dong-won and North Korean leader Kim Jong-il last week. First of all, the fourth inter-Korean family reunions will be held from April 28 at Mt. Geumgang resort on the east coast of North Korea. It is the first time that the family reunions is held at the scenic mountain. The South is considering sending 100 elderly men and women to the scenic mountain on April 28 so that they can meet their long-lost families and relatives from the North. On May 1, South Korea is expected to send 500 people whom North Korea's 100 families want to meet. These subsequent meetings come in response to limited facilities at Mt. Geumgang. From May 7-10, the second inter-Korean economic cooperation committee meeting will take place in Seoul. Important decisions on railway reconnections and humanitarian aid could be made at this meeting, and substantial talks will follow to discuss ways of preventing flood in the Imjin River which flows across the demilitarized zone (DMZ). Subsequently, a North Korean economic delegation will visit the South. The North Korean visitors will have a chance to look around industrial facilities in the South. In the meantime between the May 7 economic talks and the June 11 Mt. Geumgang tourism meeting, the talks between the South and North Korean military authorities will likely take place, which is needed for the connection of severed cross-border railways and xpressways. The two Koreas did not specify dates for the military talks and the seventh ministerial meeting in their joint press release last week. In a related development, South Korea will host the FIFA World Cup soccer finals from May 31 to June 30 and the North will stage the Arirang Festival from late April to June. Although South Korean negotiators said the possible exchange of civilian delegations was not discussed during Lim's visit to Pyeongyang, civilian watchers expected such an exchange to take place during the period. The South Korean government has yet to decide whether it will allow civilians to visit the North for the festival, which will be held on the occasion of the 90th birthday of the late North Korean leader Kim Il-sung. "We might see one of the busiest periods ever in the coming months," a Unification Ministry official said. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest