Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #203 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. kukkiwon required? (MSKBEvans@aol.com) 2. Re: Use of Deadly Force (Chosondo@aol.com) 3. High School Seniors (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MSKBEvans@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:05:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] kukkiwon required? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Do you have to have a kukkiwon BB cert. to be a USTU certified refferee this year? I heard they were going to change that but noticed on the state tourny refferee class form it says its required. thanks Bill --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:58:47 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Use of Deadly Force Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having served as a Marine (Force Recon) and as an FBI Special Agent (Defensive Tactics and Firearms Instructor) for 13 years, I can say that use of deadly force for a law enforcement officer (LEO) is not different for a civilian. After all, we are all subjected to the same laws weather they be federal, state, or local. The real issue is understanding the use of "escalation of force continuum" which begins with what is referred to as " (command) presence", then verbal commands, use of personal weapons (martial arts skills), impact weapons (baton, sticks, staffs etc.), then use of a firearm (deadly force). Now, even though personal weapons, impact weapons and firearm are items on the continuum in the end it is a question of degree, i.e., the amount of force necessary to end a conflict which can be problematic in a court of law. The courts must be convinced that it was "self-defense" not "self-offense". All sorts of things comes into play; intent, contributing factors etc. I was once sued in civil court for breaking a subjects arm with a round house kick. He sued me even though he was convicted felon and had a lead pipe in his hand which was bound for my head. This all occurred while performing my duties as a federal agent. To make matters worse, my superiors repramanded me for not shooting this guy - they weren't paying me to do martial arts. The lead pipe was a deadly weapon which should have been dealt with, with deadly force. So, I have had first hand experience with this. I am happy that you guys are discussing this very real issue given the legtigious culture we now live in. the legalities of "self-defense" is an important part of my curriculum. Firearms (tactical shooting) and protective services is also a part of my curriculum. I have added these aspects to my curriculum because this isn't medieval Korea... Keep the discussion going. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Ave Philadelphia, PA 19128 215-483-5057 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang), policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] High School Seniors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Attention Graduating High School Seniors Are you going to college? Are you looking for ways to help pay for your college education? Do you consider yourself an accomplished athlete? If you answered yes to any of the above questions, then you should apply for the 2002 USTU Junior Olympics $5000 Scholarship Award (2 Scholarships will be given: One Male and one Female) Please submit all applications to your USTU state president. Each State may submit one male and one female to be considered for the scholarship awards. Each applicant must meet the following criteria: 1. Be a graduating senior from an accredited High School in the year of the award 2. Be recommended in writing by the High School principal 3. Be accepted to an accredited college in the same year as the award consideration 4. Be an accomplished Taekwondo athlete at the National Level 5. Possess high academic achievement (GPA, etc.) 6. Make outstanding contributions in the local community 7. Must submit a 500 word essay on why you should win the scholarship A panel of Educators from the Minneapolis area will review the applications and decide on the final 3 males and 3 females. The USTU officers will make the final decision to be announced at the "Celebration of Athletes" at the USTU Junior Olympics. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest