Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #221 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Christian and Martial arts (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 3. To renew or reject? (Charles Richards) 4. Religion and Martial arts (Laurie S.) 5. Airline (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #216 - Christians,Religion & Martial Arts (ramon Navarro) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:24:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Teaching Skills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Cheree: ".....I am looking for stories/solutions to problems related to "legal mental instability." I am having problems with a person who I fear may try to hurt someone in her ROUTINE/DAILY attempts to be confrontational, antagonistic, malicious, rancorous, virulent, and any other adjective to can think of to describe a relatively mean-spirited person......" I have been beating the drum about this for quite a while so I will limit my response to the condition. It is an occupational hazard for people who run MA classes to be presented with someone who give indications that they may mis-use the material they are taught while simultaneously providing much-needed revenues which keep the classes available for others. Welcome to the Real World. On the one hand you need/want their money, but on the other hand you have doubts about what they will do with what you are teaching. This where you step-up and start being a genuine teacher and not just a collector of receipts and that means making known what your position is and setting limits on the individual in question. The trick is to do this without driving them away. I say this not because you will lose cash, but because you cannot invite change in a marginal student if that student is not physically present to benefit from your instruction. Identify a small, specific number of behaviors that indicate that this person is a liability. Contract with the individual to make specific changes in their behaviors. If your contract is sound it should have a punishing factor if the behavior is repeated or increases, but also a reward if the behavior diminishes or extinguishes. To ingrain the new behaviors, make that person responsible for not only researching the matters of which you have concerns, but also in instructing others in remedial actions for addressing these concerns. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:07:30 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Christian and Martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/25/02 4:06:48 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > But I do find it interesting > to think about Peter cutting the servant's ear off when they came to take > Jesus ( John 18:10-12). Not t And most likely he was aiming for his neck! The guy just happened to be quick enough to duck, thus saving his life. Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Success in life is largely the result of habit. Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] To renew or reject? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has any one on the DD ever had problems with a student whose contract they refused to renew? I am looking for stories/solutions to problems related to "legal mental instability." I am having problems with a person who I fear may try to hurt someone in her ROUTINE/DAILY attempts to be confrontational, antagonistic, malicious, rancorous, virulent, and any other adjective to can think of to describe a relatively mean-spirited person... We had to go to the Police with this one... Any Police Officers, Psychologists, Attorneys, etc., wishing to offer advice, please feel free to do so! Thanks in advance. I'm so glad I own a business in America because I can refuse anyone. My general rule of thumb is if it will significantly detract from the quality of instruction I can offer other students, I won't offer or renew your membership. I don't have any "mental instability" or cases that have required police intervention, but I do teach 5 year olds...I have refused info calls from many 3.5 yo's and yes even a few 2.5yo's??? But more importantly, all new five year olds (parents) have a clear understanding that if group learning doesn't work out for them and they are disruptive to other students, I will terminate their membership. So if you have a student who has already had police intervention, I'd say you have more than enough reason to chose not to renew their contract. Just my $0.002 worth Charles Richards Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:29:46 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Religion and Martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SSHapkido wrote: <<<>>> Very good point. I like that. I'm a martial artist who is Christian. I'm not a "model" Christian, mind you. But I pray everyday that I get better at what I do and improve my technique. I pray everyday for my dream to come true (to teach MA). And you know what? God hears me, because every time I do a side kick or roundhouse, or what ever technique, it gets better. I believe it's because of my prayers being answered. And I totally agree with the verse above. <<<>>> I said it before in other boards, and I'll say it again. Bowing is a sign of respect and humility. If you watch asians bow to each other, it's like what hand shake is to us. There was this court thing going on about someone refusing to bow because it was against their religion. What religion is that that doesn't let one be humble???? Laurie yellow belt/green stripe TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:31:53 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Airline Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net JR writes: > I managed to go through two > security checkpoints with different names on my ticket and Photo ID. Hello JR: It must be your honest face:) Glad to see you made it home OK. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: ramon Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: ramonnavarro123@yahoo.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #216 - Christians,Religion & Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi and be blessed you all. I am Ramon Navarro From the country of Panama and I am a Hapkido SabomNim, and thanks to God it has now been 24 years of teaching it and going strong. Thanks to Gog is becouse of the excistance of the Martial Arts and I as a Christian-Catholic I beleive that one of our jobs to life is with God and it is to make shure that the human rase does not go extinct. Also that one should be strong enough to control that human temper that sometimes acts as a beast. This beast, it depends on your own family learning, on your own oppen mind and the way that one as a person see things in life. The main expretion about a christian is that that person should be able to turn the other cheek ( excuse my spelling for I am from Latin America and please bear with me; Thanks )about the turning the other cheek the main principle thought to a christian is to be able to pardon even your enemy. So,and in the martial arts,one is thought to be humble! To tell the person that is giving you conflict that you do not want to fight; So if you permit someone to hurt youy,your family or the weak then you are permiting this wrong to hapen so you learn self-protection for the sake of your safety. But in the Martial Arts the fighting bit is not that important even you do it in your training that is not the only reason why the Martial Arts work for you. You get self-confidense,self-control,self-disiplin,you can also attain self enligtenment. Today people read the bible,go to church and have the live of God but a lot of this people going to church are at the house of god and are looking at someone elses wife-even thought the do not really know if that lady is or not married and the same happens in the opposite sence of the spectrum;people read the bible and read that one should respect the elder,your neighbor etc and they talk bad about people in general, also people that say they beleive in God that pray to God are mostly hipocrits in the sence that they do un-ethical things even to them selves, much more to other people! what is wrong with the Martial arts if it builds your caracter to become a better person;it builds the basis of life!I will ask a cuestion, what is life made out of? Is it not 3 things:1)physical, 2)mind and 3)spirit. and the Martial Arts build and stregthen these 3 parts of life to make a better person then if this backs up the the ideal of religious christianity and other religious beleifs that you must love yourselfas you love God. would people love God for them to make him overweight or lasy about one making time for oneself? There is a lot of contradictions on this topic and I respect every ones ideals and ideas. I my self have lived the experiense of loosing students that they say that becouse it is against their beleif to kneel for a reverense that it is not to their God; Even thought I have expleined that this kneel-sit is for meditation not for religious purpose and the reason it is done in this matter is becouse the body-mind-&-spirit that makes us what we are can concentrate into a hole and makes concentration easyer to achieve. Love you all and I will live it there becouse if I continue I will end up righting more than a news letter. 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