Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 02:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #226 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Karate-Do Kyohan (Bruce Sims) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "ASSE SNC" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 15:24:51 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cost Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am new to this list as well as martial arts. I have decided to make Taekwondo part of my life. My question is concearning how much it should cost to reach 3rd Dan? I am a member of the ATA, they charge 7,000.00 to go from green belt to 3rd Dan. Is this a normal fee? I don't question my Instructor, just the cost. The cost does not include testing fees, required clinics and the like. Thanks in advance for your help SafetyCareerTKDLife _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 12:07:18 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mt. Geumgang reunion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reunited Families Spend Times Together May 2, 2002 MT. GEUMGANG, North Korea -- An Jong-sun, a 74-year-old South Korean woman, on Thursday (May 2) held the hands of her Northern husband, whom she has not seen or talked to for over half a century since he disappeared before the outbreak of the 1950-53 Korean War. With tears streaming down her face, An sobbed as her 76-year-old husband complimented her and uttered what appeared to be a prepared expression of gratitude for North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "You are still my love. Thanks to Great Leader Kim Jong-il, family reunions are held, and we got together here," said Kim Kang-hyun, who settled in Pyeongyang, the capital of North Korea, after traveling with freedom fighters like Kim Koo and Yo Un-hyong as a reporter for peace talks there. On the second day of the reunion at the resort town here, An and the other 465 South Koreans exchanged gifts, such as gold rings, liquor and traditional Korean clothes, with 100 relatives and family members from North Korea as if to pamper long-lost loved ones after separation of five decades. With emotions calming down, such scenes, interspersed with laughter and weeping, played out in hotel rooms prepared for two hours of individual family gatherings in the morning. An, who never remarried after her husband's disappearance 52 years ago, said that she always prayed for an encounter with him once in her life. "Thank you for being alive until now. I really wanted to see you again," she said, sobbing, with her 55-year-old son at her side. Kim has four daughters from his marriage with a North Korean woman. In 1948, Kim, then 25, participated in the inter-Korean talks in Pyeongyang in his capacity as a representative of the South Korean youth. There, he met with the late North Korean leader Kim Il-sung, father of Kim Jong-il. Han In-ki, 84, the eldest of the 100 North Korean delegates, could only watch his daughter Chong-ja, who is suffering from cancer, on a camcorder prepared by his son-in-law. "Father, stay healthy! Next time, we'll meet again. I will soon recover," she said on camcorder, as her father fell silent, watching her. She was originally scheduled to travel to Pyeongyang in October last year to meet her father, in a reunion program that was canceled amid a stall in inter-Korean exchanges. In the meantime, her health deteriorated, making it impossible for her to endure the long hours of travel to and from North Korea. Though she re-applied for participation only seven days prior to departure, she was told that it was too late to get a berth in the 466 South Korean-member delegation, which arrived at the resort on Wednesday. Kim Kwang-son, 65, one of the South Koreans, who was reunited with siblings, took a picture of and video-taped his North Korean brother Kwang-bo. "I will show these to my family and take them to our parentsnull tombs." The meetings at hotel rooms were followed by a two-hour group luncheon at Onjeonggak Recreation Center and then a joint sightseeing tour of Lake Samilpo in the afternoon. At the end of their seven-hour reunion program, the delegates returned to their respective places of accommodation -- Haegeumgang Hotel for the South Koreans and Geumgangsan Hotel for the North Koreans. The South Koreans will return to Sokcho on Friday after a one-hour farewell meeting with their North Korean relatives in the morning. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:26:02 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Karate-Do Kyohan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Bill: "....Does anyone have this book? If so, other than it's esoteric value (and I don't mean that condescendingly at all), how would you rate it's practical value (i.e. vital points etc)....." Well, you see, I have some good news and some bad news...... Of the three master works on Shotokan karate 1.) Karate-Do Kyohan by OS Funakoshi 2.) Dynamic Karate by OS Nakayama 3.) Karate: Art of Empty Hand Fighting by Nishiyama and Brown what puts any one of these in the top spot for you will depend heavily on what it is that you are wanting to accomplish. Assuming for a minute that you are interested in how combat arts such as Okinawa-te made the transition from jutsu-focused to Do-focused art as they were imported to Japan then I would certainly want to read and reread OS Funakoshis' book. Any technical information is pretty much limited to expounding on what he identifies as "Three Cardinal points (pg40). The rest of the book is essential a training manual for an overview of what would later be called SHOTOKAN karate. Along these lines the book by Nishiyama and Brown was pretty much the same approach, however, with an eye towards less philosophy and more "nuts&bolts" for the American consumer-- specifically members of the AAKF. Now if you are interested in the biomechanical whys-and-wherefores, by all means get a copy of OS Nakayamas' books. In DYNAMIC KARATE, Nakayama goes out of his way to explain the mechanics behind the role of the hips, center of gravity, stance and movement. I personally think that if Korean practitioners are going to use hyung derived from SHOTOKAN/SHOTOKAI kata the least they can do is read this book and understand why they are executing the techniques in the manner in which they do. Since these kata are derived from Southern Chinese arts through Okinawa to Japan, I have a real hard time believing that the average Korean TKD instructor would be capable of anything more than an educated guess about what BASSAI, KWANKA-KU, CHINTO or any of the rest of the kata that have turned up in Korean arts are working to accomplish. BTW: DYNAMIC KARATE; Masatoshi Nakayama Kodansha International, Ltd. 1st Publ: 1966; 12th Publ 1974. ISBN: 0-87011-037-3. Check out Amazon.com Half.com Barnes and Noble.com Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest