Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #227 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Karate-Do Follow-up (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. Shotokan base (Charles Richards) 5. Hapkido Seminar (Patrick L) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:18:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ATA $7000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am not in the ATA, nor would I ever want to be, so I am not familiar with their tuition rates. I'm sure each school has the right to charge whatever their market allows, but $7000 from green to third dan? Are you sure? Is this US dollars? Are you living in the USA? I do know of an instructor who told me from first dan to second dan with instructor certification, her fee (not tuition) was $700. What is your monthly tuition? How long between belt ranks? My experience with the ATA is that you can go from white to black in one to one and a half years (that's another story in itself!). Say you are paying $100 a month tuition, that's only $1200 to $1800 total. So where does this $7000 come from? I would question your instructor, perhaps you misunderstood. gary pieratt In a message dated 5/6/02 4:06:54 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > I am new to this list as well as martial arts. I have decided to make > Taekwondo part of my life. My question is concearning how much it should > cost to reach 3rd Dan? I am a member of the ATA, they charge 7,000.00 to go > from green belt to 3rd Dan. Is this a normal fee? I don't question my > Instructor, just the cost. The cost does not include testing fees, required > clinics and the like. > > Thanks in advance for your help > SafetyCareerTKDLife Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Success in life is largely the result of habit. Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:35:08 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ft Collins Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mike: "....I haven't heard much talk about the Sin Moo Seminar in Colorado, how was it guys? Bruce did you attend? ....." Yes, I attended the Ft. Collins seminar. I think some part of me was hoping to be pleasantly surprised to find that I had more than a little mis-spoken in many of my previous posts. It would have been worthwhile to find out that whatever else I had to say about GM Jis' managerial skills, I could rightly say that his technique and teaching were superb. Yes, it would have been nice. The best that I can say is that I won't have to travel 20 hours by bus-- one way-- to be disappointed like that again. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:32:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Karate-Do Follow-up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought I would pass this along as possible food for thought.... For those of you that are using the old SHOTOKAI kata in your TKD practice you may want to consider that the systems from which these kata are derived focus heavily on the use of hands for the deliver of technique and utilize the legs and hips as sources of power and mobility. To my way of thinking, then, it flies in the face of application to attempt to use these kata to instill proper use of the body where the avowed focus for delivery of technique is the leg and foot. People being who and what they are, I suppose that folks will continue to use these kata if for no other reason other than to make use of the tons of material published regarding them. Deferring to this reality perhaps folks may want to consider the following caveats. a.) I personally would shy away from all of the material about applications. These kata were developed with the idea of teaching students how to use and move their bodies. Specific applications were used to suggest ways in which the manner of the body movements could have practical applications; a sort of reinforcing agent to keep students interested. There are no definitive interpretations of the kata movements anymore than there are definitive interpretations when identifying animals in cloud formations. For each movement you can pretty much figure on there being both a concussive or striking technique interpretation as well as an alternate grappling or throwing interpretation. b.) I personally would stress the training aspect of the kata by initially stressing the individual actions over the entire range of the bodys' motion. Put more simply, I think students are better served by exaggerating the kata movements in the beginning, gradually trimming away "fat" from body motion to increase efficiency and effectiveness while maintaining balance and grace. In this way blocks, kicks and strikes are large and perhaps even sustained for an instant on execution. c.) I personally would focus on the koryu (traditional) kata and leave the newer transitional kata for only those times when a learning deficit has become clear and the student needs to focus on some special lesson the traditional kata is trying to teach. In this way, for instance, the Pinan/Heinan set of five kata designed by OS Itosu can be held in reserve as the student wrestles with Kwanka-ku. Originally there were no Pinan or Taikyoku kata. Students learning Okinawa-te started with NAIFANCHI or perhaps KWANKA-KU or CHINTO. d.) Along these lines, I personally focus on the older manner of execution to wit: Shorin-ryu/Shuri-te versions or the Naha-te/Shorei-ryu versions of these kata. My personal opinion is that the Kata were originally to instruct in how to use the body in a combative situation. Executing the kata in the manner prescribed by the SHOTOKAN/SHOTOKAI people serves the purpose of using kata as a form of sport, personal training and gymastic rather than as a martial endeavor. I believe that this is the intent that has hobbled practice of these arts in Japan and has followed that practice as it wqas exported to Korea for use in TKD. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Shotokan base Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Now if you are interested in the biomechanical whys-and-wherefores, by all means get a copy of OS Nakayamas' books. In DYNAMIC KARATE, Nakayama goes out of his way to explain the mechanics behind the role of the hips, center of gravity, stance and movement. I personally think that if Korean practitioners are going to use hyung derived from SHOTOKAN/SHOTOKAI kata the least they can do is read this book and understand why they are executing the techniques in the manner in which they do. Since these kata are derived from Southern Chinese arts through Okinawa to Japan, I have a real hard time believing that the average Korean TKD instructor would be capable of anything more than an educated guess about what BASSAI, KWANKA-KU, CHINTO or any of the rest of the kata that have turned up in Korean arts are working to accomplish. Thanks Bruce. I've added OS Nakayamas' book to my wish list. Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards Moja Kwan TSD Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:06:30 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, There will be a Hapkido seminar given by GM Chong S. Kim this July 5,6,7. GM Kim was a student of Yung Sul Choi's, and Black Belt Magazines "2001 Instructor of the Year". The seminar will cover aspects of Breathing, Self-Defense, Weapons, Kicking, and Sparring tips. The seminar is being held in Monrovia, California. I am sure it will be a fantastic seminar! Additional information can be obtained from www.kimshapkido.con or (626) 821-0174. 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