Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 00:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #229 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: O Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Carribean Capers= end (Ken McDonough) 2. Korean pacifists fight conscription (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 3. RE: Good Choice!! (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. Seminar Wants (Patrick L) 5. Thoughts on effectiveness of other styles. (Nathaniel_Maras@amp.com.au) 6. Just one more question... (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Carribean Capers= end Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, man, you noted the following: Ray, this may explain why the readers on your list were unable to follow my stories of adventures in the Carribean. Darn. Too bad, readers. I had some great stories on Carribean cuties, rum punch, St.Barth's, Nevis, and St. Kitt's misadventures. Took on a few Carribean cuties on the dance floor. Seriously. We lost a 63 year old scuba diving. He had a massive heart attack and we could not resucitate him. Lesson learned: Exercise often and if you don't work out, try not to do to much at once. His life was gone in a quick two minutes. Peace, Big Ken Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: Dojang digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean pacifists fight conscription Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net By Caroline Gluck BBC Seoul correspondent Military service is mandatory in South Korea - a country still technically at war with its neighbour, North Korea. But in recent years, more people are questioning the compulsory nature of military service. There are currently 1,600 people in prison for refusing the draft for religious and moral reasons. The current law makes no provision for conscientious objectors, who can face up to three years in prison. But the Constitutional Court is currently reviewing the law - which many believe represents a violation of people's basic human rights to freedom of thought and religion. Emotional goodbyes At an emotional ceremony in the South Korean countryside, where hundreds of young men are saying goodbye to their families, and putting their studies or careers on hold, the conscripts have mixed feelings about entering the military. "I hope Korea gets unified, so there's no need to go into the military in the first place," says one young man. The men will spend the next few weeks at the Nonsan military camp in central Chungchong province, learning the basics of being a soldier. Under Korean law, all fit and healthy men are required to serve at least two years and two months in the military. It is a key part of the defence of the nation. Religious convictions But more people, like Oh Tae-yang, are challenging the law. "I'm objecting to the military because I'm a Buddhist and I don't believe in killing. If I serve in the military, it would violate everything I believed in," he explained. The 26-year-old - a vegetarian pacifist - volunteers at a community centre for the underprivileged. But he will soon have to appear before a court for refusing the draft. He faces a jail term and a life-long criminal record. The Constitutional Court is now reviewing the law to assess whether it violates other human rights such as freedom of conscience and of religion. Unique situation But military officials, like Kim Byung-ryull, at the National Defence University, say South Korea's unique situation makes conscription essential. "Korea is very different from other countries; it could come under attack at any moment," he says. "At the moment, only a minority are seeking status as conscientious objectors, but if a quarter of Korean Buddhists asked to be exempted from army service, that would be a big threat to our military preparedness." For now, compulsory military service is inevitable. Some enter the military with a sense of pride; others see it as an unavoidable duty. But for a growing number, it has become a moral issue -and many are now pushing to get the law changed. ===== Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Good Choice!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Charles: "....Thanks Bruce. I've added OS Nakayamas' book to my wish list....." Just one other thought. When you start reading Nakayamas' book, I have found that it is worthwhile to take it in in small parts, identify some concept, in and of itself, and then play with that single item for a little while. Although the writing seems deceptively simplistic, the concepts he is discussing are pretty complex in application. Take small bites--- chew well. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:02:06 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Wants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims, >Yes, I attended the Ft. Collins seminar. < Could you tell us what you were hoping to get from the Seminar? Where did it disappoint you? Was it lack of new technique, lack of philosophy, or ? Sincerely, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Nathaniel_Maras@amp.com.au Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:56:36 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thoughts on effectiveness of other styles. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi guys, Last night I went along down to a 'Krav Maga' school that had just opened up. I've seen this Israeli Combat art doing its fair share of media time in the various publications and thought I'd have a look for myself. It just so happened that a school has just opened up in Sydney, Australia and thought it would be an even better time being their from the start, see what they had to offer and how different it was from Hapkido that I've been studying. Well, the first class seemed interesting, the instructors seemed to know their stuff and at least were reasonably physically tuned, a good sign. The art seemed to be less of an art, more of a systematic set of techniques compiled together. I can see its merits, but it seems from a quick demo and little workshop to be as limited again. This has posed some thoughts. I think that any martial art is good, regardless of its form. Granted, some are better than others, some might be more practical or easy to learn that others, but it goes without saying, without training even the best form is relatively useless. Alot can be said for the type of attack, ie, unskilled attacker, skilled attacker, rational vs frenzy attack or weapons involved or multiple opponents etc. So, I can understand why some people say that one art is better than another, but it goes without saying it depends on the situation. Is it wise to combine another martial art with Hapkido? Ie Hapkido + a 'grappling art', or Hapkido + 'knife defense art' etc. Hapkido seems to flow and fully utilise circular movements, where as some of these others are more rougher and abrupt. I'm not sure how the two can combine. Even the use of kicks in Hapkido seems limited when you really think about it. How many of us are really going to go for flying head shots or sweeps when some quick hands and foot work can bring an attacker or opponent down safer with out risk of stuffing up? Also, on the use of Grappling arts. Many people, including some friends of mine are fully into BJJ and the like. Some have gone to the extent of ridiculing Hapkido/ AIkido / Tae Kwan Do etc. My replies to them are simply you do what you feel natural and comfortable with. The importance is if you get the chance to see another sunny day post conflict, not who does what etc. Getting back to BJJ, I find that BJJ is another adaptation of Jujustu? Am I right? or close? Lots of the locks, holds, and arm bars look so similar or different interpretations. I cannot say what is more effective, because I haven't learned that style, nor been a fight and had to use it. But surely, ground fighting has its limitations and taking someone to the ground isn't the be all and end all of martial arts. I'm sure you've heard all about the UFC and NHB fighting arenas where the wrestler takes out what they call a striker. I dunno, I tend to think of it as a sport with limited practical applications. In the tense of take downs, the field of thought from the BJJ camp of students say that once your down your finished. However I've seen some fights in real life where somes gone in for a take down and copped a knee to the face, an elbow to the back of the head and even being neck injuries as the other person sensed what the BJJ dude was attempting, braced himself and either redirected the take down or locked onto the neck from above. Agian on the ground, gouging, ball grabbing, and pressure points seem effective to remove someone from the 'mount' position. Its funny, for No Holds Bar fighting, they still have various rules in the fight!!! I am fairly happy with Hapkido none the less. My master is a good one, and fortunate to have found such a teacher. I like it as an art and he provides an excellent easter influence to the art form. The techniques are heavily influenced to the daito ryu aiki jujutsu, so we don't focus on kicking too much, just nice fluent and extremely efficient and fast locks and throws and disablement tactics. Perhaps its my masters influence, but it does seem more vicious than other hapkido schools I've visited, minimal strikes though but with the style of training still, techniques I'm happy with. I'm not so happy with the lack of weapon training, ie, knife, gun. We do sword and short/long sticks but to learn how the original techniques came from, and also to improve and tighten the foot work, but nothing for immediate and sudden frenzied attacks. I might continue once a week this Krav Maga to see what it has to offer and try to incorporate it into Hapkido for my own sake, only the weapon stuff but interested to hear about what you guys think of this whole thing? nat This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain information that is confidential and is subject to legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views of AMP. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:37:55 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Just one more question... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Bruce what were you disappointed about with the seminar in Colorado, I have >talked to a few other guys since then and they said it was really good and >they had a great time. They also said you disappeared the second day during >the kicking phase. I am just wondering what you didn't like about it. Ray's guess is that Gm Ji isn't so keen on answering a lot of questions. Perhaps Bruce wanted to question too much and train not enough.?. :) Ray _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest