Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #235 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: OR Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: I think I have seen this movie before (Bruce Sims) 2. Re: And to exactly whom were the pictures all that important? (Bruce Sims) 3. Re: Self-defense??? (Bruce Sims) 4. Re: Boxing-- why not?? (Bruce Sims) 5. Learning something new (Ray Terry) 6. Call for Moderators (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:41:09 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: I think I have seen this movie before Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: I was looking through everything that I have written and wonder where it is that I extended the sort of disrespect that you exhibited in your last post. Lets recap: 1.) I didn't proffer these comments: someone asked my opinion. Thats what I gave. 2.) Despite your sarcasism, noticiable in their absence are any concrete responses to the observations I have made. 3.) If the seminar was, in any way representative of what GM Ji has to offer Hapkido or the KMA it was a waste of time. 4.) If what I observed as participation on the part of the BB present was representative of GM Ji's expectencies for his BB, it was a waste of time. 5.) If I had thought that spending one more hour in that gym doing innane repetitions of kicks on a Sunday morning would have been of ANY benefit I would have stayed. Gawd knows it was not the intensity of the seminar that drove me away, nor the sophistication of the material. 6.) As far as the pictures go, GM Ji got the best of the deal. I hope that he appreciates that he had the honor of sharing the frame with at least one BB and a bunch of gueppies who expended a whole lot more effort than HE ever did. 7.) You like GM Ji? Fine, your choice and welcome to it. But how about just a little tolerance for we poor diminished souls who have yet to appreciate the glory of which the elite few of you seem to have basked yourselves. I went to that Seminar with any open mind actually hoping that I had been wrong all along. Imagine my disappointment to actually find I had been more than right. If your deportment in these last posts is indicative of the result of your Sin Mu Hapkido training, all you have done is confirmed every word of every comment I have ever written regarding GM Ji and his art. How very proud he must be of you. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:53:32 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: And to exactly whom were the pictures all that important? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Michael: "...I was just thinking of asking Bruce one more question and then I'll leave the Sin Moo seminar thing alone. Bruce is it true that you got your picture taken with Doju Nim Ji before you left the training early? Is it true you even went and got a chair so you could sit next to him? Pretty impressive! ,,,," Your comment is not only inaccurate but is incredibly bad taste. I would have thought that you might have checked your facts before you opened your mouth. Apparently this is in some exotic material GM has yet to share with you. The individual who relocated the flag on the wall where the pictures were taken was assisted as I held a chair while he stood on it. Various individuals arranged the chairs and GM Ji assigned seating, designating that I was to sit in the last chair, perhaps two or three away, to his left. That is the sum total of my imput into that little exercise. If I had not been in the picture at all it would have been alright. But,Gee, seems to be a lot of pre-occupation with image and status coming out of that camp. I wonder where you developed such an incredible sensitivity regarding what people think about each other? Don't you wonder, even a little bit, if maybe a whole lot of what you are throwing at me isn't actually a function of how folks associated with that organization routinely treat anyone who doesn't think as they do? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:32:09 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Self-defense??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Nathaniel: "......In terms of self defense, I think its great, however my fears started to grow on me when I realised that my skill and technique did not protect me from a friend using a plastic bottle as a knife, and simulating a frenzied knife attack. I would have been dead had it had been a real knife. Rather than b1tching about Hapkido not being sufficient enough or giving into the Knife fighters, BJJ No holds bar arena of fans, I asked my master about my concern. He said he has been devising a whole new training regime and variations on techiques for such situations. I realised then it was not that Hapkido may not have been up for the task, it was that I had not trained for such circumstance! But the problem is that with anything, it takes time. I'm scared that in this freaky city I might get done on the train, or street or outside my home. I thought of Krav Maga only as a quick self defense, thinking because its come from the military,it must be good. So, as I've said, Hapkido is for life, but anyting else is just short term....." I wish there was something I could say that would assuage the fear you are feeling. If its any consolation your problem has gone on for generations and will probably continue for as long as people face adversity. Sorry, but it a fact of Life. Some part of you is absolutely right about the knife thing. The Japanese have a saying "beware the crazy man with a knife". These are also the same people who paraphrased Sun Tsu (ART OF WAR) by stating "any man can be killed." From those fine folks who brought you Pearl Harbor. :-) And then there is General Qi, Ji-Huang whose observations about the worth of H2H combat training, also found in the MYTBTJ, can be best summarized by stating roughly that its pretty much worthless except to condition soldiers to use the weapons they are trained to use. This comes from a guy who spent his whole life in the military, trained his own corp of anti-pirate troops and campaigned off and on for years. I think if anyone knew what was going to "work on the street" he probably did. And you can tell by his attitude that his money was not on MT hand techniques. We folks here in modern society are pretty much in a pickle. We don't want to get mugged, stabbed or shot, but if someone does it they will probably succeed and theres not a whole lot you can do about it. What is worse is that the frequency with which the perps are offing their victims to do-away with the primary witness is growing. The idea of "self-defense" is something of a misnomer, because the folks most instructors identify as potential threats are usually obnoxious malcontents, nothing more. The folks you need to worry about are the dedicated sociopathes. They can main, rape or disfigure with impunity knowing that the average stay in the Big House for Capital One murder is between 4 and 5 years. Thats what your life is worth on the street. If you want to train in a MA or some style of self-defense, I heartily encourage you. But lets not blow any smoke up your pants leg about what you are doing in reality. After years of dedication and training, or after a weekend seminar, all you have done is increased the probability that you may not die. You can accomplish better than that just by watching where you go, when you go there and what you do there after you arrive. My apologies to anyone whose school I may have just denied a few years of tuition. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:48:43 -0500 From: "Bruce Sims" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Boxing-- why not?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ken: ".....Seems interesting. For a geezer like me they have you work on defense, bag drills, timed rounds, speed bag, and stances. Right near my house. May try it for a bit. I have always thought that boxers could kick a lot of rear if in a tangle......" Why the heck not? Its good cardiovascular conditioning, works a lot of the necessary skills and its located conveniently. You won't have to worry about head-high kicks, convoluted throws or cultural protocols. Boxers CAN kick a lot of butt, as can wrestlers, NFL Line-backers and Madonna on a bad-hair day. Go for it. Theres nothing like being faced with the limits of ones' own mortality (Ref: body on that beach) to provide gobs of motivation for learning something. Just don't kid yourself that it will be some panacea for your free-floating anxiety. You are scared for all the right reasons, so don't pretend that learning some skill means that drunk teen, in his dads' car, with a Saturday Night Special in the glove box has met his match. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:29:14 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning something new Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >If I had thought that spending one more hour in that gym doing innane >repetitions of kicks on a Sunday morning would have been of ANY benefit I >would have stayed. Umm, perhaps you would have learned something new. Many Hapkido people are not aware of Gm Ji's Hapkido kicks. They are very different from the TKD/Karate-ish kicks one frequently learns. I could build an entire seminar around just this portion of Sin Moo HKD. Never be afraid or unwilling to learn something new... Ray Terry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Call for Moderators Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Call for Moderators and Discussants The First World Congress of Korean Studies- Theme: Embracing the Other: The Interaction of Korean and Foreign Cultures Venue: The Academy of Korean Studies, Seongnam, Korea Dates: July 18-20, 2002 Application deadline: May 25, 2002 Notification of acceptance: June 1, 2002 The "World Congress of Korean Studies", co-organized by the Academy of Korean Studies, International Society for Korean Studies, Association for Korean Studies in Europe and Korean Studies Association of Australasia, will be held under the theme "Embracing the Other: The Interaction of Korean and Foreign Cultures" from July 18 to 20, 2002 at the Academy of Korean Studies, Seongnam, Korea. The Congress will provide a venue where those involved in Korean studies can join together to explore the latest achievements and developments in Korean studies worldwide. Our conference will be truly international in character, and Korean study organizations from Europe, Australasia, Japan, China, Southeast Asia, South Asia, North America, and both Koreas will be represented. This conference seeks to explore the interaction and coalescing of Korean and foreign cultures in both the pre-modern and modern eras. Through the papers and discussions at this conference, we hope to engender interdisciplinary deliberation on the foundations of Korean culture and permit a better understanding for future discourse. Though the final due date for abstract submission was closed on February 28, we have been faced with continuous requests from individuals to accept additional submissions. However, our budget and time restraints prevent us from accepting more additional applications. Against this backdrop, the Organizing Committee for the Congress has decided to invite applications to be panel moderators (chair) or discussants according to their specific field of interest. This plan was also designed to provide Koreanists with further chances to interact with Congress participants from all over the world. Eligible applicants are expected to be professionals involved in Korean studies. As most of the presentations will be communicated either in Korean or in English, especially those who are bilingual are encouraged to answer our call for moderators and discussants. The range of hospitality offered to a moderator or discussant will include: complimentary registration; free meals during the Congress period; and an honorarium of W100,000. Due to our financial situation, the hospitality offered is meager. However, we are trying our utmost to organize one of the best conferences where people related to Korean studies come together and address common issues under one theme. Those interested in contributing to the Congress as a moderator or discussant are expected to check which panel you wish to apply for by visiting the web site at http://www.aks.ac.kr/EngHome and to supply us with a CV in electronic format accompanied by the following information: Name The panel for which you want to applyÊÊ Field of study Affiliation Nationality E-mail Address Phone Number Fax Number Mailing Address Thank you very much for your kind attention. If you need any additional information on the Congress, please contact us at the Secretariat. Gilsang Lee, Ph.D. Chair, Organizing Committee 50 Unjung-dong, Bundang-gu, Seongnam-si, Gyeonggi-do Korea, 463-791 Secretariat - Tel: +82-31-709-9843 / Fax: +82-31-709-9945 E-mail: congress@aks.ac.kr --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest