Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 02:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #261 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Don't just stand there - kick something! (Wallace, John) 3. Opppps, I'm not only studying a "sport" at age 46, I'm unable to follow simple instructions. (Dave Weller) 4. Re: Head Kicks and TKD (TKDgalSamm@aol.com) 5. Kata grappling? (michael tomlinson) 6. Foreigners to Get Discount on Geumgang Tour (Ray Terry) 7. Re: Judo/yudo (Beungood@aol.com) 8. Re: TKD?Martial? (Beungood@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:00:06 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Don't just stand there - kick something! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, I disagree with the common belief as stated: >kicking to someone's head in the ring is great, but could get you killed >out on the street......< What is it you are trying to avoid by not kicking high? How are those issues any different that any other body movement (say a tackle) that requires motion, balance and exposure? One might as well say "punching someone's head in the ring is great, but could get you killed out on the street." If you intend to win by grappling, then by all means do not kick to the head, if you intend to win by kicking - then by all means kick to the head. If your opponent intends to drag you to the ground, it matters little if it is after a head high kick, unless of course the head kick landed! Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Don't just stand there - kick something! Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:46:42 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Patrick The distinction might be made, if you're fast&flexible enough to throw a head high kick, that's great..you might be able to use it effectively. When teaching self-defense, the favored movements are the high-percentage hit ones, right? If you can hit hard and fast with a head-high kick, 90% of the time, great. I think the common belief is grounded in the fact that for a large proportion of the population, head kicks aren't a high-percentage technique. They are for me though :) Still don't think I'd lead with one in a SD situation though. I like leg kicks, palm heel and elbow strikes. John Wallace 1st gup, TKD Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Patrick L [mailto:musashi1953@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:00 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Don't just stand there - kick something! All, I disagree with the common belief as stated: >kicking to someone's head in the ring is great, but could get you killed >out on the street......< What is it you are trying to avoid by not kicking high? How are those issues any different that any other body movement (say a tackle) that requires motion, balance and exposure? One might as well say "punching someone's head in the ring is great, but could get you killed out on the street." If you intend to win by grappling, then by all means do not kick to the head, if you intend to win by kicking - then by all means kick to the head. If your opponent intends to drag you to the ground, it matters little if it is after a head high kick, unless of course the head kick landed! Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:53:20 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Opppps, I'm not only studying a "sport" at age 46, I'm unable to follow simple instructions. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry for the lack of heading on my previous post. I shall now do 100 Cyber push-ups. Mr. Burdick wrote (snipped) >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" > > As for the >hypothetical lady that Dave Weller brings up, I'd say that ANY training is >better than none, >but also that t'aekweondo's main aim is rarely if ever to develop >self-defense abilities (by the way, I'm a 4th dan in t'aekweondo, so I have >a little experience in the style). Almost >every martial art claims that, but few formal arts are really up to the >challenge. To train in Thanks for the well reasoned, sensible information! I just wanted you to know that the lady was not hypothetical. dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi --__--__-- Message: 4 From: TKDgalSamm@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:48:07 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Head Kicks and TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> LOL!!!! Seriously though, lots of people don't think about this when they consider kicking to the head ... I also wanted to comment about this post ... <<<<<<<>>>>>>> I can certainly understand how TKD didn't rank high on your list of styles to explore. I think alot of people who have never been exposed to a good TKD school hold that opinion. Not every city HAS a good TKD school, I know this first hand ;) ..... I also know first hand though that every single style I have ever encountered has something good about it. I have been privieleged to attend seminars in other styles that taught me so much I couldn't retain it all, even though I wasn't anticipating that result at all. I'm not ashamed to say that I've met martial artists that deepened my understanding of "true martial arts" ... I've met a BUNCH of absolutely awesome martial artists and Instructors by having a completely open mind. Respectfully, Loretta --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:52:02 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kata grappling? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I respect everyones opinion on here and I also understand that certain drills can be practiced alone, but you cannot, I repeat cannot learn to grapple effectively unless you have a live body going against you,, grappling involves the sense of touch and is an everchanging dynamic situation that involves balance, and will, and you cannot learn this by yourself,, you might think you can but you are only fooling yourself into a sense of false security if you practice this way,, how do you develop a single kata to simulate the feeling you get when someone is trying to choke you to death from behind with their hooks into you? I guess you could tie a rope around your neck, duct tape your legs together, and then have a swinging paint bucket smash you in the skull every two seconds while you hold a deep horse stance and breathe deeply? You can always come up with something but if you aren't grappling against a live body you are basically doing less than dry firing your weapon at a tickle me elmo doll!! I do like the no nonsense Judo approach that understands that Kata should be done with a partner and that there is NO substitute for good hard Randori. Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Foreigners to Get Discount on Geumgang Tour Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Foreigners to Get Discount on Geumgang Tour May 22, 2002 Hyundai Asan, the operator of Mt. Geumgang tourism, will dish out 15 percent discount to foreigners visiting the North Korean mountains during the 2002 FIFA World Cup. The company announced a special tourism package priced from 380,000 won for accommodation aboard the ferry Seolbong or 460,000 won to stay at the Hotel Haegeumgang for the two-night and three-day program. The standard price is currently 450,000 won and 540,000 won respectively. Hyundai will designate some of its accommodation capacity for foreign tourists for their convenience in reservation, and won't charge for interpreters accompanying the guests. Hyundai's business partner, the Korea National Tourism Organization (KNTO), plans to post the package at its Website, www.tour2korea.com, and will invite foreign travel agencies and the press. "A train of foreign media outlets have already covered the tourism project across the border, and we are seeking ways to invite more foreigners to the scenic mountain," said an Hyundai Asan official. "The discount, combined with some additional services, is part of our efforts to achieve a successful World Cup. At the same time, we want to remind foreign visitors of our desire for the peaceful reunification of the peninsula," he said. Mt. Geumgang, one of the most beautiful mountains on the peninsula, towers just north of the demilitarized zone in North Korea. The cross-border tourism has been a symbol of inter-Korean d'tente since Hyundai's late founder Chung Ju-yung initiated the project in November 1998, and has persisted in the ups and downs of inter-Korean relations. North Korea has opened up part of the mountain and visitors can take the sight of Guryongyeon (nine dragon ponds) or Manmulssang (rocks of 10 thousands creatures) on the second day of the tour, and look around Haegeumgang and Samilpo, where the foot of the mountains runs down to meet the east coast. Hyundai Asan has established shopping and spa facilities, and a North Korean circus troupe from the region regularly entertains tourists. Fore inquiries and more information, call Hyundai Asan at 82-2-3669-3683, or KNTO at 82-2-729-9633, or simply e-mail asan3669@hanmail.net. Foreigners residing overseas can contact one of KNTO branches in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Toronto, London, Sydney, Singapore and Hong Kong, or click onto the KNTO homepage. A total of 1,600 foreign tourists have already taken advantage of the opportunity to experience the North Korean mountain. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:30:32 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Judo/yudo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/22/02 5:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > Yudo came from Judo, and as far as I know is STILL judo. Korean competitors > still do > Well, but from what I can tell, they have a reputation for playing "dirty" > (of course, that > Reputation largely comes from the Japanese, so who knows!). > > Ive heard that Japanese Judo as taught by Prof Kano has changed in the last 20 years and was more rough and Martial before that. I have heard that Korean Yudo is closer to the Judo that Prof Kano taught? I am a HApkido practioner , can anyone with a Judo background set us straight? --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:36:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: TKD?Martial? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/22/02 5:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > The nasty comments about TKD not being a martial "art" contribute nothing > to > > understanding self defense or even "martial arts". Ask the lady who took > a > self defense > I trained in the 80's in Taekwon do with an instructor of Sang Kyu Shim's. I found the instructor very thourough and exacting and very much a Martial Artist. He taught of power generation, conditioning ( a mainstay in any TKD gym), self defense and also senario based training on differeing terrains. He trained in everything equally hands feet and some joitlocking and throwing mixed in. The training was long hard and intense and I have no doubt his Martial Arts" were effective on the street and in compettion. I think it is more a result of what the teacher emphasises in his TKD TSD OR HKD that makes it efffective and practical. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest