Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #281 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Black Belt Testing Requirements (Alagna, Steven M) 2. sparring (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 3. Seminars (Rudy Timmerman) 4. Korean Terminology (Kim Farral) 5. Black Belts and Sparring (Alagna, Steven M) 6. NK refugees (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Alagna, Steven M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:57:10 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Testing Requirements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Clinton wrote: "Should everyone who trains adequately BE promoted if they meet the minimum requirements?" I've wrestled with this same question for a while and it all depends on what kind of black belts do you want representing your school. What qualities do they possess; courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control, indomitable spirit, respect? Do they understand the basics and requirements to be able to help lower belts? You mentioned up-and-coming students deathly afraid of sparring. I've also witnessed this and they eventually gained confidence over time. You might spend extra time with these students bringing them along, starting slow with no contact and then working some drills where you lightly contact back and forth in a very controlled manner. I keep telling myself that a black belt only knows the basics and from that point on works towards increasing his/her proficiency in them. I realize that sometimes we require lower belts to remember a lot of stuff, but to me shows commitment to the art and some people just take longer. Some people need to be pushed a bit, but we shouldn't be dragging them along to get them to the next level. A black belt should not be easy to attain. It takes time, commitment, and dedication and is not for everyone and should not be tailored for everyone. Some people don't have the patience to demonstrate a good understanding of their belt-level curriculum and I think some instructors move them along because they don't want to lose them as a student. I think in the long run, this may hurt the student and the school. I'm rambling here and this all may be my worthless opinion! :-)) "Should examination requirements be adjusted for people with special needs? If so, where do you draw the line and what should you consider/not-consider for a special needs?" Wow, this is a tough one and again really depends on what qualities you want for your black belts. I think a real challenge is making your art work for a physically handicapped person. This really demonstrates what your art can do. "....should they be held back as the go for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Dans, etc. due to poor (not "equal-to-average ability") sparring?" Not every person is going to have a proficiency in every area, but must be dedicated to improve. If they are making progress and working hard at it, I may not hold them back. Steve --__--__-- Message: 2 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:22:02 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sparring at least teaches one to move in and out, judge distances and timing, learn to read an opponent. And it teaches, even in light contact schools, the student to take a hit. Sparring is a must. gary pieratt In a message dated 6/4/02 4:14:35 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > Considering that sparring is fake fighting and it does not come close to a > > street fight, why would you want to emphasize it? There are some benefits > to > > it, but only as a training mechanism and not as a measuring device for > > fighting ability. It will only train you to be a good sparring person. If > > that's what you want to develop, go for it. Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club www.askarate.com Success in life is largely the result of habit. Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 17:51:01 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone: I will travel to Salt Lake City (via 80) at the end of June, and I will return using the same route around the middle of July. If anyone is interested in a seminar or workshop (on my way there or back), please contact me at kwanjang@nkmaa.ca. Sincerely, Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Kim Farral" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:36:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Terminology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the responses thus far... They are greatly appreciated... Here is an site that has an English Korean Translator:...You just have to know the sounds of the Korean symbols for final translation... http://www.sigmainstitute.com/cgi-bin/dictionary/dictionary_ek.pl Here is what I came up with:   Knee Break:  Moorup Kong Kyuk (where I Substituded Kong Kyuk (attack) for break)(I also Found the following: Pusojida = to (bone) Break)Since two of you agree on Keokki or Kkokki... I'll go with that term... Sliding Axe Kick:  Meekulmyu Nehryuh Jeek Ki Two Hand Rolling Push Block: Known as a "Double Arc Hand" : Doo Bandal Son Maki Outer Forearm Guarding Block:  Bagot Palmok Maki Knife Hand Augmented Guarding Block with palms up: "Reverse Knife Hand Guarding Block": Sonkaldung Daebi Maki Tornado Crescent Kick:  Dasun Poong Bandal Chagi Hidden Strength:  Soongkyojin Him Thanks again all...if you see anything wrong with these translations..please let me know.. I have till this Friday...I have to turn it in on Saturday for my 5th Dan Test...I need to learn to speak Korean I guess.. thanks again all... The One and Only...            Tink  --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Alagna, Steven M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:10:50 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belts and Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anne stated: >>My question/opinion on this matter is why if your school is not 'sport' oriented, why would sparring even be a requirement?>> Sparring is not necessarily a sport unless you use it in that manner such as attending tournaments. Sparring can teach you things that one-steps or forms cannot. Besides other things, sparring has taught me that things are unpredictable and just because you drilled in a manner does not mean you are always going to be able to transfer it. Sparring is always a mental competition with myself. But, being good at sparring does not mean you can survive an attack on the street. >>My school is not 'sport' orientated, although it is required to learn sparring techniques and sparring series' we are not required to spar to attainour BB,>> This is fine as this is your instructors opinion of what a black belt is. >>our instructors pphilosphy is that if you do everything well in an attack situation you will be able to "spar'.>> In my opinion this is way off. Self-defense and fighting are 2 different animals, (thanks Animal). If you've gotten yourself into a fight, you did something wrong. Sparring has rules, street attacks don't. The 2 do not mix! In a street attack you can use leg/knee kicks, foot stomps, headbutts, elbows, groin kicks, ear box, chin jab, biting, eye gouges. Do these translate into sparring? I've seen lots of people good at one but not the other. >>I do spar in tournaments etc. but one of my peers, doesnot and never has and probally never will. I do not believe the essesnce of a BB or a martial "art" is to be profient in the act of sparring or as some refer to it controlled fighting.>> Maybe not, but can you defend yourself in high stress, unpredictable, adrenalized situation?? My question for the group is, can black belts actually defend themselves from a real attack?? Steve --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 10:12:26 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] NK refugees Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: For any of you within range of ABC Nightline broadcasts, this Wednesday-Friday they will feature portions of a remarkable documentary on NK refugees in the Chinese border region. Here is the announcement from Nightline's website: A THREE PART SERIES ON THE PLIGHT OF NORTH KOREAN REFUGEES Dangerous conditions within North Korea's borders have made detailed reporting difficult. The true plight of this nation's refugees, most hiding in China, is not widely known and is not accurately reported. Beginning Wednesday, June 5, Nightline (11:35 p.m. ET) will broadcast extensive portions of Kim Jung-eun's award-winning documentary, "Shadows and Whispers." These programs examine the harsh existence and abject poverty of refugee families struggling to find a better life after illegally fleeing their home land. The three broadcast series will conclude Friday, June 7. Since 1995 close to 2 million North Koreans have starved to death; some of the lucky ones that successfully fled to China, however, cope with a no less shocking reality than the unlucky. Korean producer Kim Jung-eun shot most of this documentary in secret, interviewing several North Koreans who have made the journey from their home across the Tumen River into Yanji, China. (http://abcnews.go.com/Sections/Nightline/) Ken Kaliher Seoul --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest