Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #284 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Hapkido Hyungs (ABurrese@aol.com) 3. Can BB's defend themselves (Dunn, Danny J RASA) 4. RE: Grandmaster Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. Hapkido Hyungs (Charles Richards) 6. Breath control (Tolulope Oludipe) 7. AAU Taekwondo Newsletter June 2002 (Ray Terry) 8. Free Sparring/Fighting (Farral, Kim) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:21:58 +0100 From: Donnla Nic Gearailt Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: fear of sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In message <200206061337.OAA10452@rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> you write: > >Message: 6 >From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:49:31 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sparring Stuff >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >When most people are asked about why they are averse to sparring the >response seems to be that they are not averse to sparring but to conflict in >general. I have always been a bit suspicious of this response. I wonder if >the real answer has more to do with having ones' personal space violated, >and perhaps having inadequate skills to deal with that resulting in feelings >of helplessness which are not always addressed by teachers. Even though its >been years ago let me give you an example from my own experience. > I think Bruce has a point here. (Wait til I get up on my feminist soapbox, yes I'm standing comfortably now). Most women dislike sparring because they have a very strong social conditioning that says that a woman is not aggressive, does not get involved in conflict, and are generally not encouraged to stand up for themselves and defend themselves aggressively, either verbally or physically, in a conflict situation. They are taught that they are physically weaker than men and therefore should not expect to win any type of fight, therefore, try to resolve the conflict by being nice and obliging. Consequently, when in a sparring situation, they feel extremely uncomfortable, as it goes against their existing conditioning to actually fight back, and they have this fear at the back of their mind that they are about to receive an ass-kicking against which they are powerless to defend themselves. Hence why you will find many female students doing things like apologising, cracking jokes, and trying to make the situation less confrontational, both in sparring and self defense/one step drills. This has been my observation and personal experience as a (highly unexperienced with respect to people like Bruce) student. It takes a lot of effort to get rid of that conditioning, and awareness. Some years ago I attended a self-defense seminar for women only run by an ex-French legionnaire and Thai boxer. He stated that the most difficult thing he found in teaching women was getting them to accept that sometimes, aggression is a justified and correct response. ie if someone came up to them on the street and they felt something was just "wrong", run away, don't care about upsetting their feelings. Most women would feel an obligation to attend to the person's feelings as more important than heeding their instinct for self-preservation, as this is the conflict resolution strategy they learn in life. Sad, but true. Note, there are many men who have this conditioning as well. Also, getting injured early on in your martial arts career can make one wary of sparring. Donnla. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Donnla Nic Gearailt Language Technology Group, Division of Informatics Research Assistant 2 Buccleuch Place, Edinburgh EH8 9LW, Scotland. tel: +44-131-6504656 http://www.iccs.informatics.ed.ac.uk/~donnlan/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:00:08 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The school I train at in Korea teaches a few hyungs. This school is part of the KHF, but that does not mean all the KHF schools teach them. I'm hoping to have one filmed sometime this summer for Master Mac's website. (Great resource) I'll be sure to let folks know when those get done. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:45:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Can BB's defend themselves Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Steve asked: <<<< My question for the group is, can black belts actually defend themselves from a real attack??>>>>>>>>>> Steve, I guess my response would be that the overall percentage would be fairly low, especially with 1st and 2nd dans included. Some arts have lost their martial aspect. In other cases, students just have never been taught. There are so many really poor instructors out there in all styles, and lots of people now teaching don't really know enough to teach. Some can't seperate the real world from the movie fights. My 2 cents. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:30:09 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Grandmaster Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Cliff: "....So, what constitutes someone being a "Grandmaster"? ......" In a word, "nothing". The concept of "master", "grandmaster" and "supreme grandmaster" are organizational contrivances that were invented by modern MA as a way of identifying "top dogs" and assuring that money continued to flow in particular directions. As has been documented and reported repeatedly on this Net and others there is little or no correllation between technical, teaching or management skills of an individual and the assumption of one of these titles. I, personally, have seen extraordinary practitioners who assume no title whatsoever, and incredibly bad individuals who make their titles a matter of personal honor and flamboyant display. In both Chinese and Korean traditions the extent of organizational relationships has never extended beyond simply "teacher," "senior student" and "student." In the Japanese traditions, things became a bit more involved with the leadership of a particular art or style often split between an administrative (soke) head and a technical (shihan) head and standing in the art then based on competence-based licensure or certification. However, I doubt you will ever see this in modern Korean arts such as Hapkido as you will not be able to get the community to agree on a standardized curriculum or get members of disparate arts to submit to assessment under one anothers' criteria. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> On the otherhand, the Kuk Sool hyung have a number of moves and techniques which are found readily in both Eagle Claw and Praying Mantis. I know it is sometimes annoying for bookworms like me to be always asking where stuff came from, but perhaps this holds the key to our arts' future, more so than even what we are doing in the here&now. FWIW. <> Couldn't tell the difference in Eagle Claw, Praying Mantis or Georgia trailer wrasslin', however, the Han Mu Do forms I've seen, and the few Sun Moo Kwan forms I've seen and/or know have elements of Chinese martial science and "soft-style" feel to the motions. I don't think he posts on the digest, but you could ask Master James Allison at GM West's next semiannual TGT reunion :-) FWIW Charles R. Best Wishes, Bruce Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tolulope Oludipe To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Breath control Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello ev'yone, what's kickin' (-:P I am 1st Dan WTF TKD. Although I have an O.K stamina, the way I pant during really good training sessions is rather unbecoming of a black belter. I need to learn breath control. Two saboenims I've met for tutorage majorly tell me its something one learns by ones self (actually I think this aspect of the art they know but can't impart ;-). I'm trying but getting nowhere. Can anyone help? Thanks, Timi D. Lagos, Nigeria. Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:19:11 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] AAU Taekwondo Newsletter June 2002 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: Greetings! Here is your AAU Taekwondo Newsletter for June 2002. AAU Taekwondo competitions feature both Olympic and Point sparring, and traditional Taekwondo forms including: WTF, ITF, and TSD/MDK forms may be performed. For more information visit http://www.aautaekwondo.org In This Issue: *Hotel Added for National Championships *Team Trials Scheduled for September *AAU Taekwondo Team Looks Overseas *AAU Considers New WTF Competition Rules *Jean Lopez Seminar at Nationals *2003 National Championships Go to Knoxville *AAU Dan Certification Applicants Take Note *Last Chance for Chris Canning Scholarship Award Applicants *Registration Packets Now Online *Answers to Your Registration Packets Download Questions *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule *Hotel Added for National Championships Hotel rooms are quickly filling for the National AAU Taekwondo Championships. One hotel NOT listed in the National Package that was contracted just weeks ago is the Marriott Hotel at the airport. Their number is 336-852-6450 *Team Trials Scheduled for September This year's AAU Taekwondo Team Trials have been tentatively scheduled for September 6 and 7 in Atlanta, GA. In the future, we will attempt to associate Team Trials with the AAU Annual Convention in early October, however, with this year's Convention in Hawaii a more central location was chosen. *AAU Taekwondo Team Looks Overseas The AAU Taekwondo Committee is already investigation next year's AAU Taekwondo Team competition trip. The Belgium Open is one of the events under consideration. In order to be invited to Team Trials Black Belt athletes must place 1-4 at either the National Championship or AAU Junior Olympic Games competition. 15-18 year old and 19-34 year old Olympic Style sparring only. *AAU Considers New WTF Competition Rules The new WTF competition rules, for adults only, will be given due consideration at this year's convention. Make sure your Association chair understands how you feel about these rules and attends the convention to represent YOU. The AAU TKD Program will NOT be considering adopting the new USTU Junior Safety rules abolishing head kicks for juniors. *Jean Lopez Seminar at Nationals Just a reminder that Jean Lopez will be conducting training seminars both Wednesday and Thursday at this year's National Championship. *2003 National Championships Go to Knoxville Next year's AAU Taekwondo National Championship will be hosted in Knoxville, TN, the site of this year's AAU Junior Olympic Games! *AAU Dan Certification Applicants Take Note Several recent applications for AAU Dan Certification have been rejected because applicants did not meet minimum time requirements between past rank promotions. Please be sure and consult ALL AAU Dan application requirements on our web site http://www.aautaekwondo.org/dan.html before applying. *Last Chance for Chris Canning Scholarship Award Applicants AAU registered Clubs have only days left to forward applications for this year's Chris Canning Scholarship Award to be presented during the Opening Ceremonies at this year's National Championship. Applications were sent to each registered club earlier in the year. *Registration Packets Now Online Registration forms and information for the AAU Taekwondo National Championship are now available online in a printable PDF format. Download complete registration information at: http://www.aautaekwondo.org/AAu%20TKD%20Pkt.pdf AAU Junior Olympic Games information is also available online. You can download the info packet and registration forms for the Taekwondo competition at the 2002 AAU Junior Olympic Games at http://www.aaujrogames.org/~sports/Taekwondo.html *Answers to Your Registration Packets Download Questions People who have had problems downloading the AAU Taekwondo National Championship packet are reminded that you must have Adobe Acrobat Reader software to download the information. If you do not have this software you can download it for free at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html. If you have a slow modem, please be patient, as the registration packet sometimes takes a while to download even after the Acrobat Reader appears. *AAU Tournaments & Events Schedule July 3-6, 2002 National AAU Youth and Adult Taekwondo Championship Greensboro, NC Contact: Michael Friello: 518-372-6849 MFriello@aol.com August 7-10, 2002 2002 AAU Junior Olympic Games Knoxville, Tennessee Mike Friello 518-372-6849 mfriello@aol.com September 21, 2002 2002 NC AAU Taekwondo Fall Classic Tournament Fayetteville Christian School Fayetteville, NC Contact: David L. Sgro, NC AAU TKD State Chairman (910) 860-1234 dsgro@sktsd.com ************************************************************** *Special Introductory Offer Exclusively for AAU Members from Summit Flexible Products. Buy 50 or more CardioFlex(tm) or CardioFlex Twin martial art mats and get tapered safety edge strips FREE. Call 888-FOR-MATS or e-mail: summitinfo@aol.com ************************************************************** The AAU Taekwondo Newsletter is brought to you by the AAU Taekwondo Program at http://www.aautaekwondo.org Edited by David Mazor: DMazor@attbi.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'DoJang Digest' Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:20:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Free Sparring/Fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Dunn... I have to agree with you completely on your response to sparring...a very important aspect and training tool in the martial arts for all the reasons you sited...the hardest part is trying to explain those purposes to those who have been trained in sport sparring/fighting without understanding the purposes behind free sparring in class as you sited...I have the same teaching philosophy...on occasion I have disagreements with other Black Belts who train for sport only as they miss the whole point of the MARTIAL ART... Black Belts must demonstrate their proficiency in free sparring in order to properly demonstrate their abilites to read and react to their opponent(s) in a stressful situation...If it is simply a fight situation, then the control would be removed so focus and timing would not really be important factors...taking the person out of the fight would be primary...but then again.. you need to be able to read your opponent and react...you don't do either of those without focus and timing...all the things free sparring treaches... My Philosophy Pare for my 5th Dan test encompasses the differences between the sport and the art from a sparring/fighting aspect...If you are interested in my opinions...I would be more than happy to share it with you on an individual basis as I do not wish to post it openly... Pil Seung 5th Dan Hopeful K. G. Farral Staff Mechanical Engineer ITT Industries 7310 Innovation Blvd. P.O. Box 731 Ft. 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