Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #286 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Breathing Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 3. RE: Sparring stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. Memorial Day (Ray Terry) 5. Cultural Social Conditioning and Learning to Spar (Dunn, Danny J RASA) 6. Re: Sparring (Anne Skjold) 7. Re: Spar (Anne Skjold) 8. Instructer Rank (Danny Dodge) 9. Daniel Pearl (RIP) video (Ray Terry) 10. Re: Instructer Rank (Ray Terry) 11. Insa-dong: A Journey Into Old Korea (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:32:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Slickey Boys - more Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Teressa >It's not a funny story to laugh about!< The story brought a smile to my face. The thief had already rejected the rules of society and law and IMHO you cannot make a defendable argument on his behalf. I forget, did any of your sentences start with; "How scary that must have been for the homeowner."? It is normal for a human to react with anger towards someone who has wronged him. The thief should expect this anger should he get caught. What was incomprehensible to me was your recognition of your own "righteous" anger, and your denial of same "righteous" anger for the homeowner. I am not defending the homeowners actions, I am questioning your thoughts. I do it without anger, and therefore in no need of forgiveness :). Getting in the WAY, Patrick _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:18:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Breathing Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Timi: ".....Although I have an O.K stamina, the way I pant during really good training sessions is rather unbecoming of a black belter. I need to learn breath control....." Both aerobic and anaerobic training can help, but I think there is another issue that you need to consider. IME there is a kind of "prejudice" against breathing in which uncontrolled huffing and puffing gets confused with sound breathing practice as part of an athletic effort. By this I mean that beginners, for need of better conditioning often huff&puff and are told that they need to "control" their breathing. What follows is that the student then begins to repress or "hide" his breathing pattern when what he needs to do is to learn how to efficiently integrate his breathing with what he does. Many sports do this by puntuating various actions with an explosive exhale such as the serve in tennis or combinations in boxing. To make matters worse, there is a growing tendency to downplay the use of shouting ("kiai") on the mat and in the ring as unseemly or pretentious. In my classes I tend to encourage students (especially beginners) to huff and puff and get used to the idea of breathing while under stress or exertion. I would encourage you to begin to identify breathing patterns that work in-sync with whatever activity you are engaged in and then trim back as needed or as your cardio-vascular efficiency improves. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:38:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sparring stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Laurie: "... Now I can hold my hands behind my back and take a shot in the gut (with gear on that is LOL), and not even flinch. It took a while to get rid of the fear, but it's worth it. And I do (or the whole school) works on drills alot, also. So that helps with building technique and reaction time...." Thanks for sharing that. Sounds like you lucked-out having one of the better instructors. I hope that other instructors will take note and paste your post in their "Teachers Notebook" for future reference. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Memorial Day Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Nation Observes Memorial Day June 6, 2002 South Korea on Thursday (June 6) observed the 47th Memorial Day with various commemorative events across the nation. President Kim Dae-jung, Prime Minister Lee Han-dong, and senior government officials as well as bereaved families and 5,000 citizens took part in the Memorial Day ceremony at the Dongjak-dong National Cemetery in southern Seoul. A siren was heard nationwide for one minute at 10 a.m., and participants took a moment to pay their respects to those who died while fighting for their mother country, by burning intense and laying wreaths. Similar ceremonies were held at the national cemetery in Daejeon and other major burial grounds. Traffic jam temporarily developed near the Daejeon cemetery when about 300 visitors staged a rally from early morning to protest newly-enforced traffic regulations. Many citizens visited nearby parks or major downtown districts with family members and friends, while others stayed in front of their TVs all day to watch the World Cup games. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dunn, Danny J RASA" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:53:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cultural Social Conditioning and Learning to Spar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Donnla, Your post on cultural social conditioning is right on target. And the problem becomes even more pronounced when you go to body to body contact such as realistic self-defense training and grapling. I have had a lot of success in the recent past with explaining exactly why beginner women (most but not all and some men)feel so uncomfortable with sparring and even more so with body to body contact. Most of my women students were not even aware of the reason they felt the aversion themselves at first. From teaching before, I know that most women usually identify the reason and can learn to deal with it. However, by explaning all this to my current students up front, they have told me it helped them to more objectively deal with and overcome their feelings and conditioning. The results I have seen are that most women begin sparring well and do much better with ho sin sool and matwork much earlier than before I began explaning this up front during initiation into these activities. Master Richards, The issues Donnla and Laurie were talking about are the foremost I have run into with most women and some men. Sometimes it takes hearing the same thing lots of times before a person can learn to come to terms with it. Laurie's experience can be really hard for lots of people to overcome. I remember a couple of times I had new students quit because after they saw me and some of my black belts sparring. Took me a while to learn that some things can't be introduced immediately to beginners. But like your earlier post, I like to wait a few months before I have students begin sparring. Gives them time to learn some techniques and prepare mentally. I also always try to have bb's or senior gups sparring with beginners and with no contact. This builds confidence through coaching, and I have also found it tends to bring the class closer together as a whole. The senior gups form closer bonds with the beginners and vice versa. Laurie, I am glad to hear you have overcome your aversion to sparring. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Anne Skjold" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:31:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is what I said. "My school is not 'sport' orientated, although it is required to learn sparring techniques and sparring series' we are not required to spar to attain BB, our instructors philosphy is that if you do everything well in an attack situation you will be able to 'spar'. You said -Anne, with all respect, if you arn't learning anything "martial", how can you call it a martial art. I don't believe sparring can be called fighting, even controlled. I never said we weren't required to learn sparring, what I said was we are not tested on free sparring to attain our BB. Thank you for feilding my question/opion on why sparring should/shouldn't be a requirment. Ms. Anne --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Anne Skjold" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:39:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Spar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Me:"our instructors philosophy is that if you do everything well in an attack situation you will be able to "spar'" You: "I have to disagree with your instructor. Fighting is a totally different world, even from sparring, and it should also be practiced as realistically as possible. Just because you know how to do a technique does not mean you can do it under an adrenaline rush, and with a non-cooperative partner. Also, you have to learn how to deal with being hit." Clarification, I did not say fight I said spar. in defense: I have been attacked and fortunately I was able to do my techniques under pressure so I tend to believe what my instructor says. I have another question. when you folks are training, do you not train with a partner? When we train our partner throws the attack to do a particular technique and if we don't execute properly we do get hit, we block the kick/punch or get hit. they are controlled kicks and punches so no one gets hurt but we do tend to bruise from the blocks etc. Ms. Anne --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:46:34 -0500 From: Danny Dodge To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Instructer Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello fellow DD'ers. After reading some of the posts about whether a BB can defend himself an interesting question came to mind. What Dan Grade do you think a person should hold before becoming an instructer? Especially if they have their own school and are not working under someone? Also how can a 1st Dan open a school and be expected to be taken seriously? From my limited understanding I thought you had to be at least a 2nd Dan to promote someone to 1st Dan. Danny Dodge 5th Gup Taekwondo 6th Gup Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: policedo@martialartsresource.net (Policedo), eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima), the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Daniel Pearl (RIP) video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net View at your own risk. But if you do choose to view it let it motivate you to train harder and longer, to overcome the types that would do something like this. Stay safe. =========================================================================== To Whom It May Concern, After great deliberation on behalf of Pro Hosters and myself personally, we have decided to post the Daniel Pearl video on http://prohosters.com/pearl First, I would like to offer our most sincere condolences to the Pearl family, our hearts go out to them in their time of grief. >From the beginning, it was never Pro Hosters' intention to censor legal content displayed on one of its or one of its customers' sites. We did not force ogrish.com to take down the content. We merely presented the facts as they unraveled themselves to the owners of ogrish.com. We alerted ogrish.com to the FBI's insistence to take the content down. Ogrish.com made the only decision whether the content would stay in place or be deleted. They decided they would take it down. Although they decided to take it down, it was the FBI's intimidating requests to take it down that finally drove them to remove the content. Pro Hosters feels that we must stand up and protect our customer's right to have this video shown. Yes, the video is horrible and macabre in nature however it is every person's right to view this video if they CHOOSE to do so. This video shows the hand of terrorism that each of us faces, and shows the real (tragic though it may be) outcome of terrorists' actions. In my opinion it should not be hidden or swept under the carpet, it should be available to anyone who chooses to watch it. We have a right to see what terrorism can and will do to our nation, if it is not eradicated at the source. The beauty of our country is that any American can deem what he wishes to be morally right or wrong based on his opinion and his judgment. It is for this reason that Pro Hosters has chosen to release the video in its entirety to the public. Under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution all Americans have the right to free speech and freedom of press, whether you or I deem it moral or immoral. We thank all of our supporters and the ACLU for standing behind us. Sincerely, Theodore D. Hickman Jr. Pro Hosters L.L.C. President/CEO --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Instructer Rank To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:06:32 PDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > After reading some of the posts about whether a BB can defend himself an > interesting question came to mind. What Dan Grade do you think a person > should hold before becoming an instructer? Especially if they have their own > school and are not working under someone? Usually a 4th or 5th Dan is needed to open a school. But in another sense, a yellow belt could buy a nice pretty blackbelt from Century MA and open a school. > Also how can a 1st Dan open a school and be expected to be taken > seriously? From my limited understanding I thought you had to be at least a > 2nd Dan to promote someone to 1st Dan. Depending on the organiation, typically a 4th, 5th or 6th Dan is required to promote anyone to Dan, or Poom (junior blackbelt), level. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Insa-dong: A Journey Into Old Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Insa-dong: A Journey Into Old Korea June 7, 2002 Preserving all the elements of tradition within a modern context, Insa-dong area is unlike any other in Seoul. Made up of one main street and countless number of side streets and alleys, it is home to numerous art galleries, craft stores and antique shops, as well as traditional teahouses and restaurants, making it one of the places to definitely visit while in the capital. Prior to becoming a major tourist site, the area began as a residential neighborhood that coexisted with a row of antique specialty shops. All the old houses have now been converted into places of business, but they still retain the domestic intimacy of the past. Although antique shops and galleries still make up a large part of the street, Insa-dong has become less specialized over the years, developing into a more general attraction. Especially after the renovations were completed a few years ago, it has become an integral part of the tourist experience when visiting Seoul. The street is closed to vehicles during the weekends, making it easier for visitors to roam and absorb the atmosphere. For the World Cup period through June 30, the street will also host a cultural festival every Sunday, bringing performances and a variety of cultural events that will take place all over the area, including stages located at both ends of the street. Besides art galleries and craft shops, Insa-dong has become the place to go to have a good cup of "cha," or tea. The two most common ones are green tea, or "nokcha," and plain tea, or "hongcha." For something sweeter, try the "yujacha," made from a citron. "Daechucha" is another popular tea, made from jujubes. If you feel up to having something a bit unusual, you can try a cup of "ssanghwacha," which is rather strong and bitter. It is more of an acquired taste, taken more for its medicinal value than anything else. Many of the teahouses and restaurants are found in the area east of the main Insa-dong street. Of the larger teahouses, "Chontong Tawon" (82-2-730-6305) is the best place to go to enjoy a cup on a beautiful sunny day, as they have a small yard surrounded by traditional architecture. The teahouse itself is a mixture of the old and new; half of the building retains a traditional feel, while the other half has been converted into something close to a modern coffee shop. The tea prices are reasonable, ranging from 5,000 to 7,000 won. To get to the teahouse, take the first left after entering the road, Seokjeongol-gil. For something smaller and more intimate, "Moon Bird Does Think of Only the Moon" (82-2-723-1504) is a place to check out. The teahouse, which is located at the end of Insa 4-gil, can house a maximum of 15 or 16 customers, and its walls are decorated with antiques and traditional gourds. All drinks are 5,000 or 6,000 won, and come with a small serving of rice cakes. The place is especially famous for its daechucha. About 50 meters down Insa 6-gil is "Yetchatjip" (82-2-722-5019), another teahouse known for intimacy, as well as being the domicile of nine birds, including two types of sparrows and a canary, who happily chirp away above you as you enjoy your tea. Insa-dong has also become famous for serving up one of the best Korean traditional meals in the city. And of all the restaurants, "Sanchon" (82-2-735-0312) meaning "mountain village" has its own reputation, located at the end of Insa 6-gil. Customers are treated to traditional performances along with vegetarian meals. Run by a former Buddhist monk, the restaurant has a stage in the center where Korean traditional dancers and musicians perform while you eat. The meal is comparatively expensive -- the dinner set is 29,000 won per person -- but most visitors feel the meal and the experience to be well worth it. While they don't offer performances, the restaurants that line Insa 3-gil are famous for the taste of their traditional meals. Particularly famous are "Seoncheon" (82-2-734-1970) and "Sacheon" (82-2-734-4798), two restaurants that serve up a variety of dishes named "Korean table d'hote." If you continue to the end of Insa 3-gil and make a left, you will find two of the finer vegetarian places in the area, "Timibang" (82-2-720-2417), an herbal restaurant where all the dishes have medicinal value, and "Jirisan" (82-2-723-4696), famous for some wonderful bean curd dishes. "Bulhyanggi" (82-2-738-3629) is another excellent vegetarian restaurant, which you will find by taking a left at the end of Insa 2-gil. For the non-vegetarians, one of the oldest and most famous restaurants in the Insa-dong area is "Sadong Myeonok" (82-2-735-7393), on Insa 5-gil, which specializes in "seollongtang," a type of traditional Korean beef soup, and "naengmyon" or cold noodles, as the restaurant name "Sadong Myeonok (Sadong noodle house)" indicates. If you're looking to just have yourself a snack, just walk down and stop at any of the booths or carts that line the main road. One of the more popular snack is "hotteok," a traditional Korean pastry with melted sugar filling. You can buy them at the booths located at both ends of Insa-dong main street, but be prepared to wait in line. Green tea ice cream, which is also available at the booths, is very refreshing on a hot summer day. The street vendors in traditional Korean attire put on quite a show while making "yeot," a type of taffy, or a variety of rice cakes which are sold throughout the street. For crafts, "Insa Art Center" (82-2-736-182-20), between Insa 4-gil and Seokjeongol-gil, and the "Store from Tongin" (82-2-733-4867), located near Insa 5-gil, are multistoried buildings specializing in traditional and modern craft items. The area west of the main street at Insa Crossroads is a good place to find reasonably priced traditional ceramic pieces. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest