Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #298 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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New LA Member (Braeswood Martial Arts) 3. RE: Bag Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 4. re: Traditional Hapkido (mctague@att.net) 5. RE: Sparring/Fighting (Farral, Kim) 6. Law of Self Defense (CKCtaekwon@cs.com) 7. RE: Traditional hapkido in Tampa to Tim Chafee (ericules) 8. Re: Hello From New Zealand!! (Ray Terry) 9. Re: RE: Bag Stuff (Ray Terry) 10. US CDK Assoc Tour (Ray Terry) 11. Re: Law of Self Defense (Ray Terry) 12. Training (Randall Sexton) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Paul McGeown" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:36:49 +1200 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello From New Zealand!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi All, I am a first time writer to the DD but have been reading the messages for a while. I enjoy the comments and have learnt a few things. I am a Taekwondo Instructor in a small town called Oamaru, population 12,000. This note is just to introduce myself and get over the first time jitters. Paul McGeown _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:03:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] New LA Member Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greeting Charlie; Welcome!!!!!!! Nice to have another Southerner around these parts. Kat Kelly (Houston, TX) Braeswood Martial Art Center www.braeswoodmartialart.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:18:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Bag Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: "....I LOVE working the speedbag. Fun to make them really 'sing'. Great for the ole hand-eye coordination......" Just a thought on making those bags "sing". Its not uncommon to see/hear somebody start up on one of the speedbags at the gym here at the Med Ctr. Some of these vets would seem to do any good boxer proud. The illusion falls apart when actually watching the individuals' form as they strike the bag. Its not getting the rythymn going that is difficult, but to do it while maintaining good posture (for instance, elbows in close), balance, distance and so forth. In some ways its a little like watching some folks on the heavy bag flail around instead of using good balance and proper combinations. It may not be quite as impressive to spectators to watch someone go through the proper learning curve for using these tools, but without proper form the risk is that all that will be accomplished is to in-grain bad habits. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 4 From: mctague@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:30:40 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Traditional Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There's also Jung Hwa Park in Tampa as well. 2716 W Waters Ave Tampa, FL (813) 936-7011 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'DoJang Digest' Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 07:44:08 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Sparring/Fighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Re Randall ...you make some good points: "To me, sparring is only a training device, not an end objective and definitely not a determiner of real fighting ability." I agree...I don't view sparring to be a judge of real fighting capabillites...how well one spars is an indidcation of how well they are able to control their opponent...something that they would hopefully be able to do in a real fight situation...as in all fight situations..it is up to the individual to be able stay in control of themself in order to control the fight...no two fights are the same and no fight goes as planned... he says that not one fight went down exactly like a karate sparring match Very true...I know a few police officers myself...and the street isn't the movies nor television...being adept at sparring doesn't mean you go into a street fight like a tournament match...it means you know your surroundings and are aware of what is happening around you...like people closing in with questionable intent...being aware of those people, their locations, their positions in relationship to yourself, their movements, and recognizing their intent is learned in sparring...in my following replies I will site some instances for reference... Re James...thanks for your comments... I have no statistics or data that I can provide for you...only personal experience and the experience of other martial artists whom I personally know and am/or have been associated with and have had their stories related to me first hand... >From personal experience: as Randall stated...in a street fight there isn't much time to read your opponent...but if you are adept at sparring...you can quickly read intent in a matter of seconds...something you have to do in a tournament as well...I have broken up a few street/bar fights in my past and have been very successful in controlling the aggressor with mere words as well as two hands and two feet ready to block and strike in all cases... In one instance, as I quickly realized that the agrressor did not wish to fight with me but was still in an adrenaline rushed state...I stood with my left hand up to block his drawn back right hand and my right hand ready to strike with a palm heel...all the time watching his eyes and his right hand...so I remained ready but was not necessary as the fight was diffused... While escorting an individual out a door I was aware of "friends" of the indiuvidual watching me as their rage grew, evidenced by their eyes becoming wide and "wild" while their faces flushed with anger...I quickly realized they were about to charge in and I prpeared myself for the charge... I restrained them from further advancement... I watched one of my green belts...very talented in sparring...get blind-sided with a punch and go down...as the attacker advanced on him, he quickly kicked him and dropped him into my arms with one punch... A red belt (whom was one of the best sparrers in class) was encircled by 5 bikers...he quickly scanned each of them for their relative position to him..and knocked out the largest one (who also was approaching him) with a spinning wheel kick...the rest backed off and he left... A fellow black belt who works with the sherriffs department restrains suspsects and states that the adrenal rush you feel before opening a door is something you need to control in order to properly handle the suspect and use only the force necessary to gain control...but you need to read the situation instantly as the suspect falls into view...you have no time to waste...he too is extremely adept at sparring... Another Black Belt (a champion sparrer...very flexible, fast , and limber)...when approched by an intoxicated person WANTING to fight...warned him to back off...the aggressor didn't and was immediately knocked out with a 360 crescent kick... A Sensei friend of mine (a multi-champion in sparring), when approached by a street thug looking for a fight...just looked at him and told him to not even think about it or he would be dropped in a heart beat...when the thug made a continued approached he was once again warned not to think about it...he backed off... A yellow belt security guard student of mine applied his sparring training to someone trying to break into an apartment ...he remained in conrol...blocked the perpetraitors strikes and sent him flying through a door with a side kick... The best one...One of my adult white belts was approached by a very angry individual who was coming at him with a tire iron...the white belt blocked the arm holding the tire iron, punched him in the face (just as he had been taught in sparring)...then cold-cocked him and threw him into the back seat of the car... These are just a few instances of which I have first hand knowledge where training in sparring has provided the necessary tools to handle real life situations...this is not to say everyone will act or react in like manners...the point being that sparring provides you the tools to handle more stressful, real life situations and the ability to determine the force necessary to control the confrontation...sparring helps build the self confidence you need to stay in control while reading your opponent... I would much rather talk someone out of a fight than have to fight someone...but I know that I can fight someone if I have to... BTW:...I am 5'4"...all my opponents or agressors or taller and bigger than I am... K. G. Farral Staff Mechanical Engineer ITT Industries 7310 Innovation Blvd. P.O. Box 731 Ft. Wayne, Indiana 46801-0731 Ph: (219) 451-5312 Fax: (219) 451-5476 kim.farral@itt.com ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************ [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:08:26 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Law of Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone read the book The Law of Self Defense. I so, your comments please. Below is a review on it. I have not read it. The Law of Self-Defense: A Guide for the Armed CitizenSoftcover – 226 pages No nonsense information about the real law of self-defense. A must read for those who own a gun or are thinking about becoming a gun owner! Increasingly, law-abiding citizens are arming themselves with deadly weapons (usually licensed handguns) in order to defend themselves against lethal attack. Unfortunately, the law of self-defense contains many dangerous traps waiting to strip the well-meaning citizen of the right to claim self-defense at trial. It is very possible for the informed citizen to effectively defend themselves without violating the laws of self-defense, but they must first learn the legal principles that will be used to judge their conduct in the aftermath of their acting in self-defense. This book illustrates the legal principles that govern the law of self-defense throughout the United States, and is an invaluable guide for any citizen contemplating the use of deadly force in self-defense. About the Author Andrew F. Branca is licensed to practice law in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He is a member of the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners Action League, the Second Amendment Foundation, the Libertarian Party, and other civil rights organizations. Author Andrew F. Branca List Price: $15.00 NewsMax Price: $13.95 Gary Pieratt Castroville Karate Club Success in life is largely the result of habit. Have a Great Day! --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ericules" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:51:12 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Traditional hapkido in Tampa to Tim Chafee Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grandmaster Park is in Tampa, He is the founder of World Traditional Hapkido Federation and one of Grandmaster Choi's students I believe you will find him in the phone book under Park's Taekwondo. Sorry I don't have more specific info. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hello From New Zealand!! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 7:50:56 PDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am a first time writer to the DD but have been reading the messages for a > while. I enjoy the comments and have learnt a few things. > I am a Taekwondo Instructor in a small town called Oamaru, population > 12,000. This note is just to introduce myself and get over the first time > jitters. Welcome! So is NZ also considered 'down under'? Or is it 'even more down under'? :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Bag Stuff To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 8:12:04 PDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just a thought on making those bags "sing". > > Its not uncommon to see/hear somebody start up on one of the speedbags at > the gym here at the Med Ctr. Some of these vets would seem to do any good > boxer proud. The illusion falls apart when actually watching the > individuals' form as they strike the bag. Its not getting the rythymn going > that is difficult, but to do it while maintaining good posture (for > instance, elbows in close), balance, distance and so forth. Excellent observation. But isn't there a coach in the gym to show the bag-bashers the proper basics of working a speedbag? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, policedo@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 8:28:26 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] US CDK Assoc Tour Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... US Chung Do Kwan Association http://www.uscdka.com 2002 SOARING EAGLE SUMMER SEMINAR TOUR June 20-30 St Louis, MO Bazil Howard-Browns 314-497-3065 July 1 Bloomington, IL Manny Sosa 309-662-4927 July 7 Marion, IN David Kelly 765-677-1990 July 9 Greensburg, IN Dan Coblentz 812-663-6065 July 10 Seymour, IN Don Gambrel 812-522-3365 July 11 Louisville, KY Bob Rogers 502-926-8759 July 12 Louisville, KY Mike Tywman 502-964-8759 July 12-13 Fort Knox, KY Jack Dickson 502-624-7716 July 18 Tampa, FL Rodney Howard Browne July 25 Oak Hill, FL Tim Miller 904-345-0200 July 27 Miami, FL Frank Loureda 305-229-5272 --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Law of Self Defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 8:56:46 PDT Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone read the book The Law of Self Defense. I so, your comments please. > Below is a review on it. I have not read it. > > The Law of Self-Defense: > A Guide for the Armed CitizenSoftcover – 226 pages No nonsense information > about the real law of self-defense. Can't comment on this one. But two generally accepted 'bibles' on this topic come from Massad F. Ayoob, available from Amazon. In the Gravest Extreme -and- The Truth About Self Protection Or better yet, take his 40-hour 4-day LFI-1 class (see http://ayoob.com). LFI = Lethal Force Institute. LFI-1 = Judicious Use of Deadly Force. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Randall Sexton" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:37:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Randall, Got me curious. Exactly how do you train? Danny Dunn Can't tell you everything or I'd have to kill you. However, after meditating for 8 years in a Burger King restroom, I've come up with the following: 1. Work on basics continually. Perform the movements very slow (sometimes agonizingly slow). You will learn a lot in this manner than you would going fast. Your speed will become even faster training in this manner. My students train in this manner (which is sometimes hard for them to do). We do no "sparring" with any protective gear. As students become more experienced, they step up the speed and intensity to all out attacks depending on their comfort level. Some progress much faster than others. 2. Use natural movements that would occur even if you were not a martial artist (or if you are in a situation that occurs so fast, you can't remember what you are). Train to use those movements in a different mindset. 3. Train to explode; Chinese call it "fajing." Can best be described as one hellious sneeze with the arms flying out and feet coming off the ground! 4. Train in mental awareness. If you are driving down a road, you should know if a car wreak occurs between you and the horizon behind you. 5. Train mentally as you can do this many more hours in a day than you can physically. For example, as you shake hands with someone, imagine that you are doing a finger strike to the abs. Each movement of the hands (especially if you are Italian) can be a strike! How many kicks can you practice mentally while sitting in your office chair like this in a day? Of course, I also enjoy sneaking up on people at work and just standing behind them! 6. Train to be more spiritual; this may be the utimate goal of martial arts. Commune/be more aware of nature. Help others. 7. Train every day in a manner that would make you satisfied if you happened to be attacked that day. 8. Train in concepts/principles; "dropping weight" for ex., may range from jumping straight up and dropping on a standing person from relaxing completely with "heavy arms" to dropping to your knees (with a person's rib cage under them). Jumping straight up unnerves a lot of people as they don't expect it! You can train for this by putting a heavy punching bag in a chair in the center of some mats. Stand close to the bag (don't run and jump) and leap staight up without springing down first, and "ride the bag" to the ground. Very fun exercise. 9. I practice fighting mentally a lot. The brain can't tell the difference between real and imagined events. Train so that any encounter is "fun" and "just" another chance for you to practice. If you're ever at Mr. West's seminar, you may see me laughing as someone is crunching me. 10. I train a lot with ki and I'm lucky that one of my jobs (Zen Shiatsu) involves ki work. 11. Meditate as often as you can; Zen meditation I think is best for martial artists. 12. We train to "stick" to a person. No "in and out, back and forth" movements. Once we touch, we're "married!" Just like shooting pool, "run the table." 13. As part of other interests, I do self hypnosis, study shamanism, particularly shapeshifting, intuition, physics, and self reflection. That's most of it. Randall Sexton www.laughinghara.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest