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Today's Topics:

   1. (no subject) (Laurie S.)
   2. Black Belt Editorial - Character Development (ABurrese@aol.com)
   3. instructor gifts (CKCtaekwon@cs.com)
   4. Boxing article ? (Ken McDonough)
   5. More Bluewave (Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do)
   6. Re: The_Dojang digest, Happy Fathers Day Greetings To All. (ramon Navarro)
   7. Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #282 - posible answer to message
       #5 What is a Grand Master ? (ramon Navarro)
   8. Re: testing gift for instructor (ChunjiDo@aol.com)
   9. CHOI Hong Hi, RIP (Ray Terry)

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Message: 1
From: "Laurie S." <karatekid1975@hotmail.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:37:58 -0400
Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Charles Richards wrote:

<<<<So if you believe you will get added value from the "excellence club" by 
all means sign-up and enjoy it.  By the same token, if the material is 
offered and indeed required at the higher levels you can save some serious 
cash if you're not concerned about what rank or recognition you get while 
you're on the path, neh?>>>>

I already signed up for it (Excellence club, not the $900 instructor's cert) 
:o)

<<<<Ask yourself these questions...Can I commit to myself to come to class 4 
to 6 days per week?

I do :o)

<<<<Would I enjoy teaching/assisting 1 to 2 of those days?>>>

I did (at my TSD school).

<<<<Will what I get now be worth forgoing say 2 nites a month of dinner and 
a movie?>>>>

For MA? Hell yea :o)

<<<<If you get three yes answers the program offered might be for you, If 
you get two or more no answers, I suspect you will burn-out before the 
program ends.>>>>

Me burn out? No way :o)

<<<<FWIW $99/month is about $8-$12/class depending on how often you go.
For a dance studio $10 per class is cheep.  My wife's Yoga card is $120
for 10 classes.  You'll have to put your own value on the $99/month...>>>>

Cool. Your wife's classes are more, so I guess I don't feel so bad now. 
Thanks Charles :o) Tang Soo!

Miguel wrote:

<<<<Why are you in such a hurry to get this certification?>>>>

I'm not in a hurry. I was curious about the price.

Thanks guys.
Laurie
High yellow belt TKD
(5th gup TSD)

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Message: 2
From: ABurrese@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:39:22 EDT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Black Belt Editorial - Character Development
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

The editorial I wrote for the June 2002 issue of Black Belt is now at my site 
for those that didn't catch the magazine.  Go to:

www.burrese.com and click on the magazine cover.  

Yours in Training,
Alain Burrese
www.burrese.com

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Message: 3
From: CKCtaekwon@cs.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:19:33 EDT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] instructor gifts
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

In a message dated 6/15/02 10:21:14 PM Central Daylight Time, 
the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes:


> Anyway, it got me thinking. What gifts have y'all gotten for
> your  instructors for your dan testings, if you do?
> 
> Coupons for the nearest buffet would probably be appreciated! Burp!
> 
> Randall Sexton
> www.laughinghara.com
> 

when I was promoted to BB years ago, I bought my instructor a very nice sword.

Gary Pieratt
Castroville Karate Club
Success in life is largely the result of habit.
Have a Great Day!

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken McDonough <maganda44@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Boxing article ?
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Mr. K, you asked:

<P>I don't have any articles on boxing. Want to write one for my ezine?</P>

Response:  Sure, but I need a little more time in the gym. I would take the
approach of the blood and guts of the boxing aspect. No etiquette stuff, no
bowing, no mamby pamby. Just the facts. Hitting the bag, drills, working
hard, sweating. No philosophical debate. Hit the bag, chase the chicken (as
in Rocky II), and hit the meat packing plant and work the ribs on the
hanging meat (Rocky I). Road work, working out, and buidling skills. That's
the approach. That's me. Like it ?  Me and Mike Hammer, Gin and Juice, and
ladies. Yeah, that's the ticket. 

More to follow.

McD...
Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
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Message: 5
From: "Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do" <mojakwan@yahoo.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:24:08 -0400
Subject: [The_Dojang] More Bluewave
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<snip>>
Iron Claw, as I am given to understand, is a version of Go Pai Sho, which I
believe is not one of the Shotokan kata.  I have seen reference to it as the
"Korean version" before.
<<end snip>>

Any chance of getting a video version (at my expense), or uploading the
video to say Master McHenry's hyung web-site?

<<snip>>
Master Chittim died, I believe, in the mid-80s, so I'm not entirely sure.
His successor, though, calls the art taekwondo.  This is most likely a
reflection of Rhee's calling the art taekwondo starting in the... late 50s,
wasn't it?

I've never thought about it from that angle.  I've always chalked it up to
being surrounded and influenced by Japanese schools.  Most of the schools of
our style (the Chittim/Jordan lineage) refer to the head instructor as
Sensei, to my knowledge, or simply as Mr. So-and-so.
<<end snip>>

Dear Nathan,

Charlie should be honored to have such a fine Kyosa Nim (Class Instructor)
running the dojang and fielding emails during his vacation.  Cheers!

Yes, GM Rhee has been referred to by some as the father of American
Taekwondo.  And I'm not surprised that many Chung Do Kwang instructors use
Sensei and O-Sensei as we often do what our instructors did, even if it
deviates from our cultural norms.  I'm guessing  Sensei is school owners or
5th Dan and above (Master) and Mr. is for U Dan Ja (1st-4th Dan)?  Do Ju Nim
Lee, W.K. would have referred to his instructor as Funakoshi Sensei, and so
it seems natural that he would refer to himself as Sensei when he began
teaching in Korea.

In 1944 DJM Lee founded Chung Do Kwan Tang Soo Do.  From my research it
wasn't until 1973 that CDK joined the WTF so from 1944 to 1973 some of the
CDK schools might still be using Tang Soo Do (or Tae Soo Do) as a "name"
(and very logically Sensei for instructor).  Just curious.

Yours in Jung Do,

Charles Richards
Moja Kwan TangSooDo

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: ramon Navarro <rana_hapkido_panama@hapkidokr.org>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Happy Fathers Day Greetings To All.
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

With this date in time being Sunday, June 16 and Fathers day; I, Ramon Navarro, Hapkido SabomNim from the country of Panama wich everry one that is a Dad to have a beautifull day. 
    ' HAP '

Ramon Navarro
Hapkido SabomNim
Academia de Hapkido
Republic of Panama

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: ramon Navarro <rana_hapkido_panama@hapkidokr.org>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #282 - posible answer to message
 #5 What is a Grand Master ?
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Hi and be blessed ' Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com '. I Ramon Navarro a Hapkido SabomNim from the country of Panama; Been teaching this art for nearlly 26 years. With every ones respect, a Grand Master is a few things : In an oficial way it is usually some one that has achieved a high ranking status ( depending on the style and organization ) usually beying minimum an 8th Dan Black Belt. Also a martial arts consists on a persons grouth phisicaly/mind and spiritualy. But in a sort of a way a martial artist that as a person grouth is achieved and can keep the grouth it would be a person that has been able to form good Masters, that made good instructors, good black belts and that is making color belts with good morals and sound mind attitudes. this is sort of for me a Grand Master; Also a person that guides and reflects its attitude set with a philosophy on seting good moral prinsiples set by exsamples. 
I hope to have given you in my answer the right information !
 ' HAP '   

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>Message: 5
>From: Cliff.Vaught@pmusa.com
>To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
>Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:33:17 -0400 
>Subject: [The_Dojang] What is a Grand Master?
>Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
>
>I know that sounds like a really dumb question coming from some white belt,
>but I'm actually an E Dan in the U.S. Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, a student of
>martial arts for 9 years.  I'm also a student of Soo Bahk Do/Tang Soo Do
>history and I've seen, in that history, senior Dans split away and either be
>"elected" Grandmaster or appoint themselves. Sometimes these are students
>with 10-15 years of martial arts training.  I've seen in a recent Tae Kwon
>Do Times a husband/wife grandmaster team.  Isn't that a contradiction in
>terms?  I've seen reference to a "supreme" grandmaster too.  I thought that
>a grandmaster is the senior most martial artist in a particular style or
>someone who originates a style.  Maybe that was traditional.  Now it looks
>like anyone who starts an independent school becomes one.
>
>So, what constitutes someone being a "Grandmaster"?  
>
>Soo Bahk!!
>Cliff Vaught
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Message: 8
From: ChunjiDo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:55:31 EDT
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: testing gift for instructor
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<<Anyway, it got me thinking. What gifts have y'all gotten for 
your  instructors for your dan testings, if you do?
    Thanks for your time!>>

hi bert,
for my former korean grandmaster, it was always money. that's what he 
wanted...lol. for my other master, no gifts were required/requested. i gave 
him gifts for his birthday and christmas and those were always something i 
thought he needed at the time. when he was opening a new school it was 
software that he got. then flags to put up in the new school. once it was an 
electronic organizer (pre-pocket pc days). its really always been something i 
thought he would put to use because i knew he always got so many "martial 
artsy" and asian oriented gifts from everyone and their brother. of course 
they were all given with love and respect and all have been appreciated, i'm 
sure. i just thought i would take the unbeaten path on the gift ideas. :). i 
think he's really wanting the new tedeschi book so i might get that for him 
for his birthday if he hasnt bought it yet. :)
mel

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Message: 9
From: Ray Terry <rterry@idiom.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [The_Dojang] CHOI Hong Hi, RIP
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Forwarded message:


June 16, 2002
The Founder of Taekwon-do
General Choi Hong Hi
1918 - 2002

It is with great sadness and a feeling of unprecedented personal loss, that 
I inform all Taekwon-Do practitioners worldwide of the death of my father 
General Choi Hong Hi, the Founder of Taekwon-Do, on the evening of Saturday 
the 15th June in the city of Pyong Yang in North Korea.

There are no words of comfort to members of our extended Taekwon-Do family 
worldwide, which will placate the feelings of utter desolation that his 
passing has produced.

While we mourn the death of a man whose life spanned two centuries, let us 
not forget the legacy, nor the indelible impression that he has left in 
the lives of all who are dedicated to the essence of the beloved art of 
his invention.

At this time of bereavement, I know my father would commend us all if we 
continued with the same vigour and zest which personified his life, the 
promotion of Taekwon-Do worldwide.

Choi Jung Hwa


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