Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #310 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Thank you (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 3. Re: Koryo (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 4. On Gen. Choi's death (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 5. Re: New Dojang (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 6. Question(s) please :-) (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 7. Re: [Eskrima] "wild bill" (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 8. Non-Digested Digest Question (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 9. Re: Koryo (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 10. Re: Non-Digested Digest Question (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 11. June 25, 1950 -- Korean War begins (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:29:59 -0400 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Koryo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm new to the list and a Bodan Belt as of last week. I'm writing to ask about how to look up step by step instructions for various poomse. All I've found so far is some info on what the form names mean. Many of the sites I've checked, including the official UTF site and others, are flashing "This page cannot be displayed" signs. Does anyone know where I can get some specific step by step for the form "Koryo"? Natalie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. --__--__-- Message: 2 To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:49:28 -0500 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank you Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Mr. Richards, Kat --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Koryo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 7:37:48 PDT From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > flashing "This page cannot be displayed" signs. Does anyone know where I > can get some specific step by step for the form "Koryo"? Check this site, linked to from martialartsresource.com href="http://users.ev1.net/~D.McHenry/forms/">Master Mac's Korean Martial Arts F orms Resource Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:02:12 -0500 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] On Gen. Choi's death Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Like everyone else, I was saddened by the death of Gen. Hong-Hi Choi. His 1965 text on Taekwon-Do remains one of my favorite books on the martial arts, and his recent interview on the history of the art in Taekwondo Times greatly clarified the origins of the art. I think we would all agree that although we might disagree with his politics at times, Gen. Choi was a consummate martial artist and a true leader in the field. He will be missed. Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:38:19 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: New Dojang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>With Master "Mac" and Grandmaster Timmerman in your support >>network I can see you've selected to surround yourself with >>quality. >> >>Yours in Jung Do, >> >>Charles Richards I second what Charles said, and also wish you the best of everything with your new school. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:51:14 -0500 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Question(s) please :-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it. I'd like to know if someone can explain to me what you mean by an indomitable spirit. I know the 'definition, however, I'd like to know if there's an 'alternative' meaning for others. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear so feel free to ask if you don't understand me. I guess I am curious to know if there's a personal meaning to others. I'm also curious as to how everyone got started in Martial Arts, if you have/had an inspirational type person, etc. As for me, I started because I have panic/anxiety disorder, and never left my home and wanted exercise and self defense. However, after I started, I quickly learned there is so much more to Tae Kwon Do than what people think. I started out with private lessons, and have slowly worked my way into a 'regular' class. My instructor has helped me so much with my anxiety/panic that it's hard to believe sometimes and has helped me through plenty of panic/anxiety attacks during our lessons. He never let me leave but talked me through them... I hope it's ok to post that...I'm not really sure how this works yet, the reason I don't post very often. Thanks- Rita -----Original Message----- From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net]On Behalf Of Ray Terry Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:47 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hello & Intro > I've been lurking for a few days, and interested in the coversations I've > seen so far, but kind of shy until you get to know me! Welcome! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:11:41 PDT From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: [Eskrima] "wild bill" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net More fyi. I'll now get off this subject. Forwarded message: Ray writes: <> Amen, Ray. I had the gall to publicly suggest that "Wild Bill" alter his "research" methods. When this yutz responded via one of his alter egos, I had the temerity to point out the rank foolishness of his reply. Old Billy responded by contacting the legal department where I work and accusing me of being part of a vast conspiracy to besmirch his good name. I'm not sure how one besmirches something Sir William tossed in the trash a long time ago, but that don't keep Billy from lobbing what grenades he can. Bottom line is regardless of what name he hides behind Wild Bill is one of these fellows who skulks around behind a keyboard seeking to stir up trouble. Contempt is all he's earned and all he deserves. Buz Grover _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 8 To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:59:51 -0400 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Non-Digested Digest Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray; I used to receive my non-digested digest with the name of the poster listed in the header. I no longer get that it just shows the_dojang-admin address. Is this due to the server problems? Will it return to the way it was before? Just curious. It was a nice way to sort and follow subject lines along with the person who posted it. Thanks, Brian Woodard --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:28:48 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Koryo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 6/24/02 9:19:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net writes: > > I'm new to the list and a Bodan Belt as of last week. I'm writing to ask > about how to look up step by step instructions for various poomse. > Natalie Natalie- Here is a website with both step-by-step instructions, and uploaded videos of several poomse, including Ko-Ryo, although I believe it is referred to as "Goryu". http://blackbeltworld.com/ I also have a clear step-by-step written guide for this, and several other poomsae that our students and instructors utilize. I can email that, and a diagram of Ko-Ryu to you if you like. Any other interested persons are welcome to this material as well. Respectfully; William C. Duff Assistant Instructor Black Belt Academy (confuzedalien@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Non-Digested Digest Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:23:41 PDT From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I used to receive my non-digested digest with the name of the poster listed > in the header. I no longer get that it just shows the_dojang-admin address. > Is this due to the server problems? Will it return to the way it was > before? Just curious. It was a nice way to sort and follow subject lines > along with the person who posted it. Yes, that is a feature of the Mailman listserver software that I just turned on yesterday, on this list and on the Eskrima. Thought I'd give it a quick test. What recently happened over on the Eskrima list, and has happened here in the past, is people easily glean the senders' email addrs from the archives and then use those addresses for spam and other such mass mailings. The way it is set up now, your email addr would only show if you include it in your trailing signature file (.sig). While it could still be pulled from that, it is more difficult that just scanning for the chars following "From: ". Comments from others? Please spam me, errr mail me at the below addr. :) Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 11 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:18:08 PDT From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] June 25, 1950 -- Korean War begins Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ORIGINS OF THE KOREAN WAR The surrender of Japan was inevitable after the United States dropped the first atom bomb on Hiroshima in August of 1945. Stalin was waiting for just such an opportunity where the Soviets could enter the war against Japan while incurring minimal loss, and so it was no surprise when he declared war against Japan after the U.S. dropped the second atom bomb. Upon Japanese surrender on August 15, 1945, Soviet military forces swept through Manchuria and North Korea taking over Japanese control over these provinces. The United States reacted in alarm when she realized the potential danger of having the strategic Korean peninsula controlled by communist forces. President Truman proposed a joint occupation of Korea by the two powers where the Soviets would occupied the territory north of the 38 parallel, while the U.S. would controle the area south of the line. Initially, it was the intention of both sides to establish a stable and unified Korea in order to withdraw their military forces from the area. However, neither the Soviet Union or the U.S. wanted the peninsula to fall into the other's hand. In short, the Soviets and the U.S. desired to withdraw their military and resources out of Korea, but they also wanted to leave behind a nation that was favorable to each's ideology; the Soviets desired a Communist Korea whereas the U.S. wanted a democratic nation to be established. And so the roots of division were laid from the very onset of Korea's liberation. Communist elements in the north were present during the Japanese colonial period, but with the north now under Soviet tutelage the leftist factions were able to seize power. During the period of civil turmoil of 1945-1946, there were many different leftist factions vying for power. It was during this time that the Soviets helped establish Kim Il Sung, a product of the Soviet military machine, as the leading political figure in the north. In the south an entirely different story unfolded. The KPR (Koreans People's Republic), which was very leftist in nature, attested that they were the political voice of the korean people. However, General Hodge's primary aims at the time was to prevent communist takeover of south korea, and so he banned the KPR. During this time, a korean patriot named Syngman Rhee began to acquire political power among the conservative elitists in South Korea. His dogmatic advocacy for Korea's full independence often caused friction between him and U.S. officials. But due to Rhee's strong stance against communism, and because of his commitment to maintaining civil order during these turbulent times, General Hodge had no other choice but to give his support to Rhee. Therefore, with U.S. support and the use of strong arm tactics, Syngman Rhee eventually positioned himself has the dominant political leader in South Korea by 1947. Although two different political governments had emerged in Korea by 1947, the fact that they were still only provisional governments gave the korean people hope for a possible unification. Up untill this time, nationalists from both the North and South continued their efforts to negotiate a unification treaty, however, unreconcilable differences between the U.S. and the Soviet Union prevented any such goal. Eventually, the U.S. concluded that the chasm that existed between the U.S. and the Soviet Union in establishing a unified Korea was insurmountable and so they pressured the United Nations to allow for a general election in Korea. Suspicious of foul play by the U.S., the Soviets refused to allow the election to be held in North Korea. Nevertheless, the U.S. advocated that voting should still be carried out in the south in order to establish some sort of legitimate government, and so in May 1948 South Korea held its first general elections. Soon thereafter, the Republic of Korea (ROK) was established and was promptly recognized by the United Nations as the legitemate government of Korea. Up until and through these elections there were heavy protests by Korean leftists who feared that these election would kill all chances for unification. During the same time the north followed with similar actions by holding its own elections. When the votes were tabulated, Kim Il Sung was declared president of the new Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPKR) which was immediately recognized by the Soviet Union and other communist countries as the legetimate government of North Korea. By winter of 1948 the worst fears of Korean nationalists were confirmed as korea became permanently divided at the 38th parallel. The elections of 1948 and the division of Korea that ensued set the stage for a civil war. And by 1950, both North and South Korea sensed that war was inevitable. Not only were their armies getting prepared for war, but both Syngman Rhee and Kim Il Sung declared on several occasions that military force would be necessary to unify Korea. However, in terms of being prepared for war, North Korea had a clear advantage over the south. Not only did North Korea possess a larger army, it also had many experienced veterans who had fought in China's Civil War. In addition North Korea by this time were manufacturing some of their own weapons as well possessing many Soviet made weapons. South Korea on the other hand had soldiers who had not even attended basic training. Finally, North Korea had the support of the Chinese Military. Therefore, in light of North Korea's military advantage on the eve of the war, it is reasonable to assume that it was North Korea that fired the first shot on June 25, 1950 that started the Korean War. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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