Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 02:02:52 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #311 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Downloadable "Interactive Korean War Timeline" (the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net) 2. RE: Instructor & panic attacks (Atchinson, Kerry M) 3. Question(s) please :-) (Dave Weller) 4. Kuk Sool Weapons (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Dojang Opening (Rudy Timmerman) 6. Welcome (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Re: Koryo (ISA CONSULTATION GROUP) 8. Natalie: Koryo step-by-step & video (Mac) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:25:46 PDT From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Downloadable "Interactive Korean War Timeline" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From the U.S. Naval Institute. http://www.usni.org/freestuff/koreanwartimeline.htm --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:57:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Instructor & panic attacks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow! Sounds like you have an exceptional teacher, Rita. Teachers with a working understanding that students are truly different and require different instruction ( to a degree, of course ) are all too rare. As for "indomitable spirit", I would say that you definitely have it if you were able to hang in there despite the panic and anxiety. For me it's the notion that nothing is going to stop me. Keep it up! Kerry TKD Message: 6 To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:51:14 -0500 From: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Question(s) please :-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it. I'd like to know if someone can explain to me what you mean by an indomitable spirit. I know the 'definition, however, I'd like to know if there's an 'alternative' meaning for others. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear so feel free to ask if you don't understand me. I guess I am curious to know if there's a personal meaning to others. I'm also curious as to how everyone got started in Martial Arts, if you have/had an inspirational type person, etc. As for me, I started because I have panic/anxiety disorder, and never left my home and wanted exercise and self defense. However, after I started, I quickly learned there is so much more to Tae Kwon Do than what people think. I started out with private lessons, and have slowly worked my way into a 'regular' class. My instructor has helped me so much with my anxiety/panic that it's hard to believe sometimes and has helped me through plenty of panic/anxiety attacks during our lessons. He never let me leave but talked me through them... I hope it's ok to post that...I'm not really sure how this works yet, the reason I don't post very often. Thanks- Rita --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:43:51 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dave Weller Subject: [The_Dojang] Question(s) please :-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rita asked the following: (forgive me for not using your last name in this post but I did not see it in your message, other wise you'd be Ms. so and so) Subject: [The_Dojang] Question(s) please :-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it. I'd like to know if someone can explain to me what you mean by an indomitable spirit. I know the 'definition, however, I'd like to know if there's an 'alternative' meaning for others. I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear so feel free to ask if you don't understand me. I guess I am curious to know if there's a personal meaning to others. I'm also curious as to how everyone got started in Martial Arts, if you have/had an inspirational type person, etc. As for me, I started because I have panic/anxiety disorder, and never left my home and wanted exercise and self defense. However, after I started, I quickly learned there is so much more to Tae Kwon Do than what people think. I started out with private lessons, and have slowly worked my way into a 'regular' class. My instructor has helped me so much with my anxiety/panic that it's hard to believe sometimes and has helped me through plenty of panic/anxiety attacks during our lessons. He never let me leave but talked me through them... I hope it's ok to post that...I'm not really sure how this works yet, the reason I don't post very often. Thanks- Rita Rita, It is certainly okay to post a question such as this. My wife also has panic/anxiety and has been studying Tae Kwon Do for a number of years. It has done wonders for her, as it appears it has for you as well. Our Master has helped her on many occasions both inside and outside class. It is only apparrent if you know her situation that he is even assisting. He does simple things like working directly in front of her during floor exercises. Encouraging her to breathe, making sure she does not spar someone overzealous that might throw her into a panic attack ( I bet you understand that feeling). She has made vast improvements over the years and she can now control the panic attacks (most of the time) via simple breathing exercises. As for your question about Indomitable spirit. I think you have "asked and answered". Folks such as yourself who continue in the arts even though they face things that would send the rest of us running home to Mommy are the embodiment of this tenet. There is no further need to define it beyond what you have already shown by your actions. My best to you! dave weller student wtf tkd "Practice a thousand hours and you learn self discipline. Practice ten thousand hours and you learn about yourself." Myamoto Musashi --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:34:03 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > I made an effort over a two week period to contact M. Barry Harmon down in > Texas but the calls weren't returned. I tried to speak with M Mike Hall here > in Chicago and came away wishing that my call hadn't gone through. I share > this last not as a slam at Kuk Sul Won (well, maybe a little slam) but to > offer you a sanity check. The Kuk Sul people represent what they believe are > Korean traditions taught the way they think those traditions would have been > executed for the reasons that they choose to do it that way. GM Suh would > have been about 13 when his grandfather died about 1952. I am going to bet > that most of what is served up by the KSW people is simply a reconstructed > guess at how the various weapons skills might have been based on whatever > documentation they can find. I will also add, IMVHO, that from what I have > seen in this country, people making an effort to accomplish the same sort of > reconstructions are doing at least as good a job (maybe better) than their > Korean counterparts. FWIW. Hello Bruce: It does not surprise me that you had no answer from the WKSA people regarding the weapons question (BTW, the name of the contact in Chicago is Hill, not Hall). Most martial arts organizations are in business to serve their own people, and there is little or no benefit from answering questions from students who don't even take the time to travel to the source for such info. In fact, often such answers are ridiculed or otherwise slammed. Lord know that I am not a fan of WKSA politics, but I cannot fault them for staying out of discussions that have no benefit for them. It took me many years and countless miles of travel from one end of the continent to the other in order to gather such information. These days, I receive many emails from people who sit behind their computer and want the same stuff handed to them on a silver platter. In fact, some get downright obnoxious when I don't rush them a timely answer. Bruce, I hope you know that this part of the post is not aimed at you. It is just an observation that may shed some light on the reluctance of many orgs and Masters to give answers. Anyway, I'll get off my soap box and onto whatever little I might have to offer in terms of an answer. In most Kuk Sool schools I have visited since GM Suh came to the US in the early seventies, weapon training was limited to: Dahn Bong, Joong Bong, Jang Bong, Juhl Bong, Dahn Do, Dahn Gum, Jang Gum, Bu Chae, Poh Bahk, and Ji Pang Ee. Some of these weapons are used single, others in pairs. At special occasions, demos, and seminars, you might also see the use of the Chang and the Wohl Do. Lately, there has also been some instruction in archery. In traditional Kuk Sool forms, one can actually see the use of such weapons as sand or rock throwing. The reason for any limits on the use of weapons is because weapon training is geared to the level of the student. Presently, there are few students who have reached the level for more advanced training in weapons; however, this does not mean there are no such weapons. Kuk Sool is a great art, and it has a lot more to offer than what is normally seen in the average North-American school. I have had the priviledge to witness some of it (both here and in Korea). I am equally sure that there is more than I have seen. Hope this helps a bit. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:15:35 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojang Opening Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Richards writes: > Dear Ms. Kelly, > Good luck with your new and exciting path/journey! May it offer you all the > rewards and growth opportunities running a dojang has blessed me with 8^) > > With Master "Mac" and Grandmaster Timmerman in your support network I can > see you've selected to surround yourself with quality. > > Yours in Jung Do, > > Charles Richards > Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do Hello Master Richards: Thank you for your well wishes for JKN Kelly and the nice coments you made. It is this sort of communication that makes the DD such a special list to belong to. Instead of slamming and bickering at one another, I see a constant and sincere effort of DD members to support and help each other. Much of this brotherhood is cemented into reality and reenforced at Master West's annual seminars, and I congratulate Masters Renee and JR, as well as Ray, for being the catalyst that fosters this brotherhood. Best wishesd to Kat on her Grand Opening (I wish I could be there), and a happy anniversary to our list founder Ray. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:34:29 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Welcome Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rita writes: >> I've been lurking for a few days, and interested in the coversations I've >> seen so far, but kind of shy until you get to know me! Hello Rita: Welcome to the list. I believe you will find that the members here are truly a nice bunch of martial artists. While I am writing, a big thanks to Alain for your support of Kat! Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ISA CONSULTATION GROUP" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:25:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Koryo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Try: http://www.dreamwater.com/sport/sungjado/WTF_poomse.html george > > >I'm new to the list and a Bodan Belt as of last week. I'm writing to ask >about how to look up step by step instructions for various poomse. All >I've found so far is some info on what the form names mean. Many of the >sites I've checked, including the official UTF site and others, are >flashing "This page cannot be displayed" signs. Does anyone know where I >can get some specific step by step for the form "Koryo"? > >Natalie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Mac" To: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:20:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Natalie: Koryo step-by-step & video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Natalie, This is a link to the official Kukkiwon web site in Korea on the Koryo Poomse. It not only has step-by-step written instructions, but the video as well: http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/tkskill/pomsae.asp?div=3&pomsae=209 Hope this helps, Mac --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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