Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #313 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Agreements & rankings (Atchinson, Kerry M) 3. white belt (Ray Terry) 4. Documentation (Rudy Timmerman) 5. Ritas panic attacks (Kenneth W. Legendre) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Paik Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Rita To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > As an experienced white belt I did not stay at that rank very long. I > should be a brown belt by mid July. As for my son, he had reached brown > belt ranking in our old school but did not want to be a "white belt" again. > I guess at eight years old that is a big thing. I might still persuade him is this pretty common to have to start over at white belt if you change schools? i understand if you change arts (like tkd to hkd) but just from changing schools from the west coast to east coast? i'm in hapkido and the belt test fees are pretty expensive (at least i think so...$50/each for the lower belts each time you test) and the grand master said that it isn't a fee to him for testing...it's a fee to the national organization so that if i change schools, i can continue to maintain my rank. each time i test, i need to fill out an application, etc. of course if i go to a hapkido school that is not affiliated with the same organization (dae han hapkido hyup hwe - not sure what that is in Englih), they probably will not recognize my ranking. i have no problem going back to white belt...but it would be pretty bad if i had to keep paying belt test fees again for belts that i already earned. as far a hapkido and tae kwon do, i took tae kwon do for about 6 months a long time ago (10 years ago) and at least as far as the way that my grand master teaches hapkido...there are many similarities. an experienced tae kwon do artist would do very well in hapkido because he/she would already be familiar with the various kicks. we spend about 1/2 of our time doing punches and kicks and the other 1/2 doing grappling moves and locks (wrist locks, elbow locks, etc.). i find it pretty enjoyable. Dan. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:11:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Agreements & rankings Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, sir... I think we are all in agreement that you are definitely ranker than Mr Weller & me. Now please excuse me while I go off and start doing my pushups. :) Kerry WTF TKD P.S. For those of you who do not know Mr Farral, he recently tested for his 5th Dan. I hope to live so long. :) Message: 1 From: "Farral, Kim" To: 'DoJang Digest' Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:13:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Indomitable Spirit Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (I can't believe I actually agreed with Mr. Weller and Mr. Atchinson and admitted to it!!!...Wait a minute...I'm the higher rank...They must have agreed with me...) K. G. Farral --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:08:45 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] white belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > As an experienced white belt I did not stay at that rank very long. I > > should be a brown belt by mid July. As for my son, he had reached brown > > belt ranking in our old school but did not want to be a "white belt" again. > > I guess at eight years old that is a big thing. I might still persuade him > > is this pretty common to have to start over at white belt if you change > schools? i understand if you change arts (like tkd to hkd) but just from > changing schools from the west coast to east coast? It is common, but not sure if it is pretty common. Schools will vary widely. Best to ask before you actually start off at the new school. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:50:11 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Documentation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce writes: > is it really too much to ask > that they are able to document things to this effect Hello Bruce: I completely understand your position, and I appreciate the efforts of historians and scholars in trying to document the history and origins of Korean martial arts. I also understand your frustrations on not getting answers from people who make substantial claims regarding history. Having been around several Korean Masters who made such claims, I can only agree with your observations that much of the information is distorted because the info is bent to suit the individuals who supply the info. I am not a quitter, but I refuse to flog a dead horse; hence I gave up trying to make sense out of it all. I have now resorted to go with my gut instinct and use common sense in formulating my own opinion. The point of my earlier post was that there is no real benefit for associations like WKSA to waste time on frivolous questions from people who won't spend the time to go to a Dojang to train. Having personally seen you at various places, I know you are not in that category:) Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kenneth W. Legendre" To: The Dojang Digest Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:53:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ritas panic attacks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello I currently am an assistant instructor at my school, but when we have testing for all of the students we gather with about 15 branch schools throughout the area. The testing can be pretty high pressure. The reason I'm telling you all of this is because there is one particular student not from the school I'm currently at that I remember about 2 years had to step out several times because of her anxiety attacks during her promotion (which was only about 20 minutes). At our last promotion she came up to me and said that she was disappointed with the way that she did. I had to stop and laugh. I've watched her at promotions for most of those 2 years. This last promotion was the first time that she didn't have to step out because of the attacks. I told her that and her whole attitude changed about the promotion. By the way the last test was for her temporary black belt which in our school is considered 1st degree, and thus is the most difficult test.  Keep working on things and they will get better. Don't expect huge gains. Remember that you have to learn to crawl before you can walk.  Ken Legendre3rd Dan TKD6th Gup HKDinnae@netexpress.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest