Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #314 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: rterry@idiom.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Emperors' New Clothes Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 3. (no subject) (Dewitt, Garrett) 4. Re: Repeat White Belt (Daniel Paik) 5. Eating rice (Ray Terry) 6. Korea Hapkido Association Dojang now open in Campbell, CA (Rodney G. Graves) 7. Hapkido (Ray Terry) 8. RE: Eating rice (Wallace, John) 9. The scent of a six pack? (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:02:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Repeat White Belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Daniel; My old dojang practiced ITF Taekwondo forms. My new school did not practice those forms. I did have to start at white belt but I did not have to pay for testing fees until I reached brown belt. To hold a certain rank in our school you have to know the materials in the curriculum for your appropriate rank. Since I already had experience I have gotten to my current rank approximately 8 months ahead of the average student. We only have classes 2 to 3 time a week. One thing that was really fun was seeing people watch a yellow belt (me) spar with a black belt and it be a really good match. :o) I really don't care what belt I am wearing just as long as I am practicing the art and learning new things in every class. Thanks, Brian Woodard Facilities Engineer Robert Bosch Corporation -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Paik [mailto:danpaik@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 4:35 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Rita is this pretty common to have to start over at white belt if you change schools? i understand if you change arts (like tkd to hkd) but just from changing schools from the west coast to east coast? i'm in hapkido and the belt test fees are pretty expensive (at least i think so...$50/each for the lower belts each time you test) and the grand master said that it isn't a fee to him for testing...it's a fee to the national organization so that if i change schools, i can continue to maintain my rank. each time i test, i need to fill out an application, etc. of course if i go to a hapkido school that is not affiliated with the same organization (dae han hapkido hyup hwe - not sure what that is in Englih), they probably will not recognize my ranking. i have no problem going back to white belt...but it would be pretty bad if i had to keep paying belt test fees again for belts that i already earned. as far a hapkido and tae kwon do, i took tae kwon do for about 6 months a long time ago (10 years ago) and at least as far as the way that my grand master teaches hapkido...there are many similarities. an experienced tae kwon do artist would do very well in hapkido because he/she would already be familiar with the various kicks. we spend about 1/2 of our time doing punches and kicks and the other 1/2 doing grappling moves and locks (wrist locks, elbow locks, etc.). i find it pretty enjoyable. Dan. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:28:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Emperors' New Clothes Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Rudy: "......Having been around several Korean Masters who made such claims, I can only agree with your observations that much of the information is distorted because the info is bent to suit the individuals who supply the info......" If its OK with you, I would like to take this a step farther, then. I am going out on a limb and will suggest that a great many folks who follow "big name" personalities must, like you, follow their instincts and often must find that what they are being told by whoever leads their organization simply does not add up the way it is presented. In my own case, with the World Hapkido Federation, it became pretty obvious after a few years that what was being taught in the WHF curriculum didn't hold a candle to Hapkidos' DRAJJ roots, that the sword material was Kendo and not Kumdo, and that at some point students hit a technical "glass-ceiling" that the leadership seemed unable, or unwilling, to take us beyond. Now, when a situation like this presents itself, do the higher-ranking practitioners have a responsibility to the lower ranks to say something, or is the responsibility strictly to the headman? Does loyalty to leadership, and however leadership couches reality, take precedence over how things actually are, or were? In days of old, I understand, loyal retainers were expected to say something if the leadership did not conduct itself in the best interests of its subjects. What are our responsibilities exactly, if we as small children discover that the Emperor is actually not wearing any clothes? Unfortunately, we don't have just scads and scads of organizational leaders on this Net so I am stating my thoughts a bit strongly because I know that both you and JR West have organizations of your own. I think that the folks on the Net would be well-served if individuals such as yourself, JR, Dr. Kimm, Richard, Steve and others would speak to this issue and share some thoughts on how to address these matters. I bet there are many more splinterings of organizations over issues like this than anything else. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Dewitt, Garrett" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:34:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dan Writes: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Paik Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Rita To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > As an experienced white belt I did not stay at that rank very long. I > should be a brown belt by mid July. As for my son, he had reached brown > belt ranking in our old school but did not want to be a "white belt" again. > I guess at eight years old that is a big thing. I might still persuade him is this pretty common to have to start over at white belt if you change schools? i understand if you change arts (like tkd to hkd) but just from changing schools from the west coast to east coast? Hello Dan. I do concur with Ray that "this practice is quite common" throughout the U.S.A. However, at my previous Korean Grandmaster and former American Master's TKD schools they would allow an individual a probationary time frame to learn their style and techniques and than test from White Belt on up with the other students during the promotional testing without the rank fee. The new student would also retain their present belt rank but they did need to have a "paper trail" as proof of rank certification. These students would not be promoted from White Belt up to Brown Belt,if that was their present belt rank, at one test. This advancement was completed over a specific time which the Instructor arranged for each of these students individually. There seems to be some fairness with this concept. Thank You Master Garrett DeWitt Brainerd Tae Kwon Do - Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:05:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Paik Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Repeat White Belt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net --- "Woodard Brian (ChW/TEF8)" wrote: > Daniel; > My old dojang practiced ITF Taekwondo forms. My new school did not > practice > those forms. I did have to start at white belt but I did not have to pay > for testing fees until I reached brown belt. To hold a certain rank in our > school you have to know the materials in the curriculum for your > appropriate > rank. Since I already had experience I have gotten to my current rank > approximately 8 months ahead of the average student. We only have classes > 2 > to 3 time a week. One thing that was really fun was seeing people watch a > yellow belt (me) spar with a black belt and it be a really good match. :o) > I really don't care what belt I am wearing just as long as I am practicing > the art and learning new things in every class. that makes sense. i have no problem with a school making sure that all of their students know their curriculum. i would have a problem if you had to pay belt test fees all over again and if you were set to the standard testing schedule (e.g., if a school has tests once a month, it would take you a lot of months to move up even though you may learn the material in only one week). sounds like my concerns are not the case with you. as far as your son not wanting to start over at white belt...for kids that kind of thing does matter. as adults, we realize that a belt is just a belt and i personally have no issue with moving down in rank b/c it's not that important. anyway, good luck. good thing you were able to find a good school. Dan. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:06:42 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Eating rice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > w/the World Hapkido Federation, it became pretty obvious after a few years > that what was being taught in the WHF curriculum didn't hold a candle to > Hapkidos' DRAJJ roots, that the sword material was Kendo and not Kumdo, and > that at some point students hit a technical "glass-ceiling" that the > leadership seemed unable, or unwilling, to take us beyond. Or maybe they want you to 'eat more rice'. Now, I am just as guilty of this as the next, but we often want to move on to new material before we are even close to mastering more basic material. Ray Terry P.S. To eat more rice means to obtain more practice time. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:19:17 -0700 From: "Rodney G. Graves" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea Hapkido Association Dojang now open in Campbell, CA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just an FYI, As the subject line says, there is finally a Hapkido Dojang in the Santa Clara Valley. The school is Eagle Talon Martial Arts 839 W. Hamilton Ave Campbell, CA 95008 http://www.eagletalonusa.com/ While somewhat different from the KHA dojang I attended in Seoul, this appears to be an effective and thorough hapkido school and curriculum. V/R Rod Rodney G. Graves 1st Dan, Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:56:26 PDT Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The school is Eagle Talon Martial Arts > 839 W. Hamilton Ave > Campbell, CA 95008 > http://www.eagletalonusa.com/ Darn! Looks like I have some competition. He is just around the corner. Guess I'll have to drop by and 'welcome' him to the area... :) Ray Terry --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Eating rice Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:09:00 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is this because tatami mats are traditionally made from rice straw? ;) John W. Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Ray Terry [mailto:raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com] ..... Or maybe they want you to 'eat more rice'. .... P.S. To eat more rice means to obtain more practice time. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] The scent of a six pack? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Institute Identifies Element Capable of Easing Stress June 26, 2002 Korea Research Institute of Standards and Science (KRISS) The Korea Research Institute of Standards and Science (KRISS) reported Tuesday (June 25) that it has successfully identified a major element in complex aromas capable of easing stress in humans. KRISS said in a press release that it has successfully established an olfactory database on the influence of aromas on human body. The project idea was taken from a study on the effect of aromachology, which analyzes aroma's effect on humans in physiological and psychological terms. In a joint venture with Amore Pacific Iplip, a cosmetics firm, the institute said it has found a major element in the complex aroma particles that is capable of wiping out stress accumulated during any given day. Tests on a group of 30 female volunteers between the ages of 20-30 found that stress has been reduced to acceptable levels with a significantly increased alpha brain waves and variable heart rhythms significantly improved. An institute expert who worked on the project said there have been researches on single aromas in other countries, but not a systematic one on complex aromas, adding that an olfactory database on aromas could serve as a useful index in the development of aromatic cosmetics that would alleviate the suffering of insomniacs and Alzheimer's patients. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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