Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 03:52:34 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #320 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: testing again (Kakita Kentei) 3. takedowns, projections and throws (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. Oh my ba-jeeses (Charles Veuleman) 5. BB Tests/Bruce thing (Laurie S.) 6. GM Hae Man Park (Ray Terry) 7. Boxing Number 3 (Ken McDonough) 8. Re: Silly Question (Jeffery Dean Sr) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] testing again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> I'm hearing a lot of rumbling from fellow students but not the teachers in the school, that I haven't put in enough time and that I shouldn't test. My instructors all are fairly blase about the whole thing. My ultimate question is: Is it realistic for me to try to attempt the test? I know all the requirements, and actually transcend several areas. However,it's only been since April from my last test. I have some doubts, and a lot of my doubts spring from a physical infirmity I have... I have a bum knee and it is really hard to put the level of intensity I used to have into my forms and other aspects of training. What do you folks think? <> Dear Kakita, I'm guessing your instructors are not concerned because it's totally your instructor's decision and only you could veto, by declining to take the test, not the other gups. FWIW, whenever that issue comes up (rarely) at my school, I just ask the student (minding someone else's biz.), who's martial arts are you doing? Good luck on the next step along your path! Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.geocities.com/mojakwan Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Kakita Kentei Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] testing again To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Charles, By the way, My real name is Erik Brann. I use Kakita Kentei online due to one of my hobbies, Legend of the Five Rings. <> > Dear Kakita, > > I'm guessing your instructors are not concerned because it's totally > your instructor's decision and only you could veto, by declining to > take the test, not the other gups. > > FWIW, whenever that issue comes up (rarely) at my school, I just ask > the student (minding someone else's biz.), who's martial arts are you > doing? > > Good luck on the next step along your path! > > Yours in Jung Do, > > Charles Richards The thing is that one of the folks raising the issue is a red belt, and in our school, red belts do get asked their opinions, since they are considered assistant instructors. Our school's website is http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com It's still under construction, and I am the school's webmaster. ===== Kakita Kentei Crane Clan Jade Legion Samurai * Experienced 5 * Unique 2F 8C 12HR 13G 4PH * Will Only join the Crane Clan or Jade Legion Double Chi * Will attach jade items for 4 less gold. Kentei may always focus first against Shadowlands personalities. * Open: Once per turn, challenge a Shadowlands personality to an unrefusable duel. "Corruption is a shortcut with short term gains and long term losses." Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:17:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] takedowns, projections and throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce Sims wrote: > When I teach this in a class I have > the students fantasize that they are executing the techniques in a dark room > with a single light mounted on the their partners' belt. Excuting a "lock", > the light remains relatively stationary, and the same for a "pin", which is > nothing more than a lock which incorporates part of the environment. Execute > a "takedown" and the light will travel in a pretty straight line down to the > floor. Execute a "projection" and the light will scribe an arc from standing > position to the floor. However, execute a throw and the light will scribe a > hyperbolic curve in which the light first rises and then falls to the floor. Thanks! This makes your point much clearer. For my part, I would say that a "throw" is the least efficient manner of dropping someone on the ground, and the "projection" is second in inefficiency. The "takedown" reminds me very strongly of judo, in which you knock the bottom half one way and the top half another, and the center drops straight to the floor. Maximum efficiency, minimum effort (or so they tell me!). A "projection" generally gives too much momentum for the opponent to play with (unless that momentum is directed into a wall or parked vehicle). For example, if the large attacker in "Mr. Judo's Helpful Hints"... http://judoinfo.com/images/cartoons/bellerud/belleru5.jpg ... stopped reaching for that donut, he could regrab his poor partner and really let him have it. Your "throw" raises serious questions for me. If the light goes up, does that mean you actually had to lift the person off the ground before you threw them? I know that you can do that with a standard judo hip toss against an opponent of similar size, but I think the idea is to minimize that bump upward as much as possible so you can do it on as large an opponent as possible. Again referring to the cartoons, it would be damn tough to bump the opponent in... http://judoinfo.com/images/cartoons/cartoon.gif ... as one's hips would be far to low. For that matter though, it would be tough to hit him high and low as well! If anything, you would have to do a "projection" with a double leg takedown or by hitting him in the family jewels and then grabbing his head and slamming into the mat as he bends over (would this sprawl qualify as the reverse of a "projection"?). > In this case Four Directions throw which is > technically a takedown CAN be modified to a throw when done as an entering > (irimi) technique. However, when that same Four Directions throw is executed > as a tenkan, or outside turning technique, attempting to modify it to a > throw sets-up, or suggests, two different vectors to the partner. The result > is what was seen at the seminar in which the partner often simply collides > with the person executing the technique. Boy, I still don't get it. Sorry! Are you talking about grabbing the opponent's right wrist and stepping backward with your right foot (turning backward to the outside of his right arm, assuming he is pushing forward hard with that right hand)? I would see this as a great set up either for a leg sweep with your right leg, or as a possible entry to his rear into a fireman's carry from the rear (a classic Daitoryu lock). That would qualify as a "throw" under your description, but I think that one works pretty well (and hurts like hell!). Is that what you mean? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick burdickd@indiana.edu --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Oh my ba-jeeses Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Digest, Wow, when I joined, Nathan told me that this was sometimes a place to vent frustrations, but he never told me it was like this. But, I am sure, just like in a family, those who vented and those who got vented on will be back, soaking up the posts, just like a brother and sister fight and remain brother and sister in the end. Now that I have been on for about a month, I am starting to recognize names and even associate their style with their names also. By this, no one with the name 'bruce' or 'ray' is allowed to join the digest. this will cause much confusion. Maybe a 'Brice' (no rice jokes please) or 'Ray-Ray'. Anyhow, I have a question for your responses digest. Many of you are multi sytle black belts or trainees. But, your styles don't conflict. For instance, I practice Tae Kwon Do, but an old school country boy type called Chung Do Kwan, which has had some slight modifications in it. I lease my dojo out to an ITF/USTF school twice a week, and they do a more recognizable TaeKwon-Do than what we do. (We frequently get called tang soo do or shotokan) and there is a little bit of tension. so here is my question, do you (as a whole i guess) think it would ease the tension if I trained with them, and received rank under the group? While I still have much to learn from my lineage, I can't help but think It will. Also, has training in another style screwed with your techniques in your previous style (for instance the way kicks are thrown and chambered, etc) Alright, thats alot of info, but I look forward to some good answers. Take Care, and ya'll be nice to each other. Charlie Veuleman, www.bluewavekarate.com P.S. I test for second degree in less than 24 hours!! ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Laurie S." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:19:47 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] BB Tests/Bruce thing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Anne Skjold wrote: <<<>>> Hiya, Anne. That's my middle name, by the way :o) Anyways, in my dojang, the BB tests are tuff. You have to do 6 breaks (3 hand, 3 kicks), spar 2 on 1 for 2 rounds. You have to do all your forms, self defense, and step sparring that you learned to that point, plus do "free self defense", which is someone will attack you with whatever technique (you don't know a head of time) and you have to counter attack. You have to do this 3 to 4 times. Plus you have to run 3 miles a week for a givin time, do some community service, and some teaching BEFORE you test. I hope this helped. As far as the Bruce thing, I don't agree with him always. No one does. Yes, I think he is "long winded" and wish he would write shorter posts. But this has gone too far. It's turning into a cyber sparring match. He stated his opinion, you stated yours, enough said. No you don't have to agree, but don't let it turn into a big fus. If he pisses you off that bad, egnore him. That's what I do (Sorry, Bruce). Laurie green belt WTF TKD (5th gup TSD) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Hae Man Park Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding. Ray I have not verified the following but wanted to share it with you: > From: Joon Choi > > Dear Sir, > > As soon as I recieved your mail about G/M Park, I have made a phone call to > to the Taekwondo Chungdokwan office in Seoul. > > While G/M Park was in the US, he had a stroke and went to a hospital. > > The doctor said G/M Park had a problem in his brain. > > After coming back to Korea, he received a complete medical examination, at > which time a brain tumor was discovered. > > In addition, the exam result showed that he has diabetic symptoms. > > He is in a hospital in Inchen, Korea and is planning to get a surgical > operation to remove the tumor on or about June 28th. It is not certain at > this time. > > Then his secretary said, If G/M Park has this operation, he would be > fine. > > Looks like we need prayers for the operation, his wife and family members, > and most of all, G/M Park himself. > > I will pray and keep updating you about his condition as much as I can. > > In His grace, > > Joon Choi --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: maganda44@yahoo.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Boxing Number 3 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Preface: Enjoyed reading the Hapkido wars. Reminds me of the emotional stuff I create. He he. But, I am in a mellow mood so no stuff to impart. Ordered a nice Pork Pie Hat in straw. Called the "Orleans". Anyway: Boxing Lesson 3. Caveat: Basic for experts. - Warm Ups - Station Drills. Two to three rounds each station, re: speed bag, double end bag, heavy bag, slim bag, shadow box. - Sparring Three Rounds. Head Gear, etc. -- Using only jab(s). Practice movement, catching jabs and countering. -- Use parry and catch with right (or left) hand, jabbing with left (or right). -- Alter jab movement and tempo. -- Add jabs to body (move in quickly and get out) -- Think of footwork, keeping hands up, elbows in, shoulder rolled toward X. -- Wait till X throws jab and use counter jab. McD... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Jeffery Dean Sr" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:46:24 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Silly Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO == In My Honest Opinion Tang Soo Dean Sr. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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