Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 03:52:37 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #321 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Unsubscribe: Status: O Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. boxing (michael tomlinson) 2. Re: Boxing Number 3 (Ray Terry) 3. ABC - SK vs. NK (Ray Terry) 4. Korea.net - SK vs. NK (Ray Terry) 5. A word of thanks to Dakin Burdick (Kent Frazier) 6. GM Ji's early students (Sun Mu Kwan-USA) 7. Korean Sensei again (Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do) 8. CDK TKD (Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:43:56 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] boxing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken, That's a really good boxing workout,, lots of sweat, lots of repetitions, lots of hard work, and lots of MUSCLE MEMORY DOG!!! In boxing the only time you have to think about it is when the ref is counting those numbers out loud while your laying there contemplating a long nap!! My pork chop hat is off to you for working out so hard and to keep learning,, whether it is boxing, kali, hapkido, or rebuiling a 57 chevy carburator,, I know I spelled that wrong?,, Michael Tomlinson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Boxing Number 3 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The boxing drill I always hated the most was the corner drill. You had to stay in the corner of the ring and only defend. You couldn't move, just stand in the corner and -try- to block the incoming. Probably lost a few brain cells doing that drill... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] ABC - SK vs. NK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net SEOUL, South Korea June 29 - ABC In a blow to Korean reconciliation efforts, a North Korean navy boat sank a Southern patrol boat in the Yellow Sea Saturday, killing at least four South Korean sailors, wounding another 20, and leaving at least one missing. South Korea said the boat entered Southern waters, ignored warnings to withdraw and fired with heavy caliber weapons, scoring a direct hit on the steering room of a speedboat with 27 sailors. The vessel caught fire. North Korean officials countered that their boat only fired in self defense in Northern waters. It was the worst border clash in three years between the rivals, which share the world's last Cold War frontier. There was no immediate word on North Korean casualties or missing in the 21-minute fight. A Northern warship was seen being towed away in flames, according to South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff. The South Korean military said a squadron of fighter jets patrolled the sea border afterward, and a 1,200-ton battleship deployed closer to the area. The clash was a setback to President Kim Dae-jung's so-called "sunshine" policy of trying to engage the isolated, communist North, which shares a sealed, heavily fortified border with the South. The 1950-53 Korean War ended with an armistice, not a peace treaty. "The military provocation of pre-emptive firing by a North Korean navy patrol ship is a clear violation of the armistice and an act that raises tension on the Korean peninsula. We cannot keep silent," the presidential Blue House quoted Kim as saying at an emergency meeting of the National Security Council. In a statement after the hourlong meeting, Defense Minister Kim Dong-shin demanded an apology, punishment of those responsible and a promise from North Korea that such an incident would not happen again. But North Korean state-run media denied the South's claims that its boat fired first, saying the communist vessel was defending itself against an intrusion into Northern waters. "The South Korean military authorities sought to invent any shocking incident" in order to disrupt efforts to improve inter-Korean relations, said KCNA, the North's news agency. South Korea's opposition Grand National Party, which has criticized Kim's policy toward the North as too lenient, said in a statement that the sea battle "throws cold water over warming ties." It speculated that North Korea was trying to disrupt the World Cup soccer tournament, which is being co-hosted by South Korea and Japan and ends Sunday. "We urge the people to continue their everyday life with ease and resolution as the military and the government is thoroughly prepared," presidential spokeswoman Park Sun-sook said. It was unclear how the incident would affect prospects for a revival of long-suspended dialogue between North Korea and the United States, South Korea's chief ally. On Thursday, a U.S. State Department official proposed to North Korean diplomats at the United Nations that talks resume in the second week of July in Pyongyang, the North Korean capital A North Korea expert at the Sejong Institute, a private research center in Seoul, speculated that the North might apologize secretly to the South for what he believed was an "isolated" case. "If the case is not resolved smoothly, it will have a devastating impact on South-North relations as well as U.S.-North Korean relations," said the expert, Paik Hak-soon. South Korea's Unification Ministry, which handles North Korea policy, said exchanges between local non-governmental groups and North Korea would continue despite the clash. South Korea said two communist boats intruded up to 3 miles into South Korean waters, ignoring warnings to withdraw, broadcast from South Korean military boats with loudspeakers. The clash occurred at 10:25 a.m. when two South Korean navy vessels tried to repel two North Korean navy warships and an unspecified number of Northern fishing boats, the Southern military said. The South Korean military said a communist boat fired from about 500 yards away. The dead included a lieutenant and three enlisted men. The South Korean military said 22 sailors were injured, but later revised the number to 20. The maritime border between the two Koreas is not clearly marked. South Korea accused North Korea of making 12 brief border violations in the western sea last year. In the summer of 1999, a series of border violations by North Korean ships touched off the first naval clash between the two Koreas since the Korean War. One North Korean warship sank and about 30 North Korean sailors died, according to South Korea. Several South Korean sailors were wounded. The gun battle Saturday followed a series of border incursions by North Korean navy ships into South Korean waters in the area in recent weeks. The Koreas were divided in 1945. The United States keeps 37,000 troops in South Korea as a deterrent against North Korea. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea.net - SK vs. NK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net S-N Korean Navy Ships Trade Fire June 29, 2002 Korea.net North Korean naval vessels intruded into South Korean waters in the West Sea and exchanged fire with South Korean patrol boats on Saturday (June 29), leaving at least four South Korean seamen dead, 19 wounded and one missing, the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) said. A 156-ton South Korean patrol boat with 27 servicemen aboard sank in the 21-minute engagement in the West Sea after being hit on the steering room, said Army Lt. Gen. Lee Sang-hee, chief of operations at the JCS. This was the first naval clash between the two Koreas since 1999 when a series of border violations by North Korean ships touched off the first and worst-ever clash since the Korean War (1950-1953). In that battle, one North Korean naval boat was sunk and three warships were severely damaged. At least 30 North Korean soldiers were believed to have died and 70 others were wounded. Seven South Korean soldiers were lightly wounded. The latest battle came after a series of border incursions by North Korean warships and fishing boats into South Korean territorial waters in the West Sea. On Friday, two North Korean patrol boats briefly crossed the border in the 10th such violation this year. North Korean fishing boats infiltrated the sea border four times this year. The maritime border between the two Koreas is not clearly marked. South Korea accused North Korea of making 12 brief border violations in the western sea last year. The four dead are Navy Lt. Yoon Yong-ha, commander of the submerged boat and petty officers Cho Chong-hyong, Hwang To-hyon and So Hu-won, the Navy said after notifying their families of their death on duty. Petty officer Han Sang-guk is missing in action. Two 215-ton North Korean naval ships returned to the North with one of them catching fire from a return shot from a nearby South Korean vessel, Lee told reporters. But it was not known whether there were North Korean casualties. "A North Korean patrol boat opened fire first. One of our naval vessels sank while it was being towed after an exchange of fire," Lee said. When asked about whether North Koreanulls violation of the maritime border was intentional, he said, "The end results show that North Korean patrol warships crossed the sea border with a significant measure of intentions." The North Korean warships ignored warnings to withdraw, broadcast from South Korean boats with loudspeakers, Lee said. "The provocation is a clear violation of the Armistice Agreement and we hereby strongly warn that all responsibility for this incident rests with the North Korean side," he added. Following the clash, the military was put on high alert and the Navy sent more warships to the West Sea in preparation for another contingency. All the aircraft of the armed forces were put on emergency stand-by. The United Nations Command (UNC) proposed holding a general-level officersnull meeting at the truce village of Panmunjeom to discuss ways of preventing the recurrence of similar incidents. The clash occurred at 10:25 a.m. when two groups of South Korean navy vessels were dispatched to repel two North Korean warships, which crossed the sea border or the Northern Limit Line (NLL). The North Korean boats intruded 4.8 km and 2.8 km south of the NLL at 9:54 a.m., respectively, said Brig. Gen. Hwang Eui-don, spokesman for the Defense Ministry. After about half an hour of verbal exchanges, one North Korean warship fired a rocket bomb at the steering room of one of the four South Korean vessels. The boatnulls engine room immediately caught fire and it was towed, ultimately sinking. Three other South Korean warships returned fire in self-defense and one North Korean warship was seen being towed away in flames across the sea border, Hwang said. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kent Frazier" To: "The Dojang Digest" Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 16:36:44 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] A word of thanks to Dakin Burdick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mr. Burdick, I am writing this in to thank you for your excellent history of taekwondo. I have been searching for an accurate and comprehensive history of the art for quite a while. There is a surprising amount of disinformation and ignorance circulating regarding the historical foundations of taekwondo. I was very happy when I stumbled upon your website (http://www.indiana.edu/~iutkd/history/tkdhist.html check it out if you haven't before.) I actually selected the page from my Google search because I recognized your name from the Dojang Digest. I was very pleased with what I found. Again, thank you very much for putting so much effort into developing a worthwhile history of taekwondo. Sincerely, Kent --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Sun Mu Kwan-USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji's early students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know the names and or dates of GM Ji's first 10 students? Thanks! Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do" To: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:59:05 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Sensei again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Our school's website is http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com <> Erik, I noticed the MDK logo combined with Sensei (a Japanese tittle, but normal for CDK TKD) and the kanji/hanja for "kara" versus "T'ang" used for karate, but you are a Tae Kwon Do Moo Duk Kwan School? Just curious.... any insights? Yours in Jung Do, Charles Richards www.geocities.com/mojakwan --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Moja Kwan Tang Soo Do" To: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:14:34 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] CDK TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Anyhow, I have a question for your responses digest. Many of you are multi sytle black belts or trainees. But, your styles don't conflict. For instance, I practice Tae Kwon Do, but an old school country boy type called Chung Do Kwan, which has had some slight modifications in it. I lease my dojo out to an ITF/USTF school twice a week, and they do a more recognizable TaeKwon-Do than what we do. (We frequently get called tang soo do or shotokan) and there is a little bit of tension. so here is my question, do you (as a whole i guess) think it would ease the tension if I trained with them, and received rank under the group? While I still have much to learn from my lineage, I can't help but think It will. Also, has training in another style screwed with your techniques in your previous style (for instance the way kicks are thrown and chambered, etc) <> Dear Charlie, Please keep the faith and preserve non-WTF, non-ITF Chung Do Kwan TDK. Personally I like old school. There are definately differences in the way old school and competative styles kick and apply other techniques. FWIW, your gups have signed up to learn CDK TKD from you, not your tenants....Good luck on your Yi Dan exam and follow your heart. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest