Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:22:25 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #323 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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What to do about Hapkido (Patrick L) 3. RE: Silly question (Kjartan Mikkelsen) 4. Opinions, Suggestions, Comments, please (Reddz) 5. Korean Sensei again (d.mchenry) 6. color code (TNTcombatives@aol.com) 7. RE:Throw Stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 8. Korean Sensei again (bredfield) 9. Re: Braeswood Martial Arts Grand Opening (txskater@attbi.com) 10. Korea, U.S. to consult on shootout (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Hae Man Park (fwd) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarded message: This is an update received from my Instrutor GM Sell (6-29-02). Dear Sr. Instructors, My latest report: G/M Parks operation was a total success. He is now recuperating in Korea and expects to be released from the hospital next Tuesday. My personal friend, Joon Choi, called him and talked to him, telling how concerned we are. There are still some medical issues that must be treated. He was told about our prayer chain. If any of you wish to send him a card, please send it to my office at: --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:20:44 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] What to do about Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Sims, For some organizations - there is a lot they should do to spruce up their Hapkido. For others - they are fairly eclectic - and do not need much change. I disagree that Kumdo is 'more hapkido' than Kendo, and once again find myself in the postition of reminding you that the direction of a particular Hapkido oprganization is up to it's Master, and beyond the scope of lower belt desires or opinion (even though they are sure to have both). Adjustments to cirriculim should be done by those running the organization. There is nothing wrong with waiting one's turn to make changes. Most students leave an organization due to a failure by the student to be able to identify with the organization. Splinterings occur because someone with influence can't WAIT HIS TURN, or ACCEPT HIS POSITION!!! Getting in the WAY, Patrick >I think that the folks on the Net would be well-served if individuals such >as yourself, JR, Dr. Kimm, Richard, Steve and others would speak to this >issue and share some thoughts on how to address these matters. I bet there >are many more splinterings of organizations over issues like this than >anything else.< _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Kjartan Mikkelsen" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Silly question Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:30:47 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > From: Ray Terry > > This may sound like a silly question, but I am not well versed in > > "internet/chat lingo". Would someone please share with me > what "IMHO" > > stands for? Thanks. > > imho = in my humble opinion > btw = by the way > iirc = if I recall correctly > fwiw = for whatever its worth > lol = laugh out loud > > etc = I don't know what that means... :) > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com For those interested in some more hacker jargon to use while out there on the net: http://watson-net.com/jargon/section.asp http://watson-net.com/jargon/lexicon.asp Reagards, Kjartan Mikkelsen --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Reddz" To: "Anne Skjold" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:19:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Opinions, Suggestions, Comments, please Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to all I recently help our Tae Kwon Do school update its website. Please let me know what you think. Any comments, questions or suggestions are welcome. http://www.marquartstkd.com Anne Skjold Office Manager Sodexho - MSUM PH: 218-233-2836, FX: 218-233-2920 email: skjoldan@mnstate.edu --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:03:52 -0500 From: "d.mchenry" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Sensei again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Eric, <> I first began my MA career in MDK TKD as well and am ranked in that too. My first instructor was Grandmaster Kim Soo's older brother, Kim Chang-soo. He didn't seem to use much Korean terms in class as I think he was working on his English. That is where I first leaned the term for uniform as "Gi" also :-) I think most of the students called the forms 'Kata' as well, but I'm not sure Master Kim ever did. After that and training in several Japanese arts for a while, it took me a long time to get the "G" and "K" words out of my vocabulary once I decided to focus on MooDukKwan TangSooDo... Thank you for the reply. Take care, Mac ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the EV1 webmail system at mail.ev1.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: TNTcombatives@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:11:16 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] color code Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In the book 'Defensive Living' - Ed Lovette & Dave Spaulding (2000), they say it has now been in use continuously for the last two decades. They go on to state: In his book 'Fireworks' Cooper explained the Color Code thusly: "I have devised a simple color code which is used to enable the student to assume a state of mind appropriate to the various stges of readiness he may need. A man cannot live constantly lookingi down his sights with his finger on the trigger...BUT YOU CAN, WITH A BIT OF PRACTICE, LEARN TO SWITCH YOUR MIND INTO A MORE ADVANCED STATE OF RREADINESS, IN WHICH CERTAIN PRESET DECISIONS ARE EASIER TO MAKE. You do this naturally, but usually by means of an infinitely variable gradation. The Color Code makes it easier, by means of definite, pre-considered steps." He defines them as follows: 1. Condition White - a normal non-combatives state of mind 2. Condition Yellow - a state of relaxed alertness 3. Condition Orange - state of alarm 4. Condition Red - defensive combat Hope this helps, Mark Gajdostik TNT-Police Combatives --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:12:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE:Throw Stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Dakin: "........Your "throw" raises serious questions for me. If the light goes up, does that mean you actually had to lift the person off the ground before you threw them? I know that you can do that with a standard judo hip toss against an pponent of similar size, but I think the idea is to minimize that bump upward as much as possible so you can do it on as large an opponent as possible....." Your welcome. I'm glad the "light in the belly-button" thing helped. Lets see if I can help out here as well. Even though a classic example of a "throw" would be something like the "shoulder throw" from Judo, and even though there is that need to "bump the person upwards" using the hip to ge the initial "rise" of that light I was talking about not all throws require this. We were talking about the Ft Collins seminar, before, and one of the techniques that was practiced is what I have come to call the "Flycast Throw". While I didn't agree with the way it was demo-d or executed by most of the people there, it is a good example of a throw which produces the sort of hyperbolic arc I was talking about. In the case of this technique, the "attackers" center is elevated first using a pronation of the wrist (You know its working if the partner is on his tip-toes). That would be the "rising" part of the curve. From this elevated position the partner is directed forward (don't forget to "crowd" his hip so that the shoulders misalign forward of the hips). The result is that he is compelled to tumble forward to save his wrist, or suffers the fracture of his wrist for not knowing how to Forward Roll. There are a number of throws in Hapkido where the center of the attacker is induced to rise though not because of a leverage situation as much as because they are attempting to relieve pain induced preparatory to the throw. "......Boy, I still don't get it. Sorry! Are you talking about grabbing the opponent's right wrist and stepping backward with your right foot (turning backward to the outside of his right arm, assuming he is pushing forward hard with that right hand)? I would see this as a great set up either for a leg sweep with your right leg, or as a possible entry to his rear into a fireman's carry from the rear(a classic Daitoryu lock). That would qualify as a "throw" under your description,but I think that one works pretty well (and hurts like hell!). Is that what you mean?....." Yep. The standard or best known 4-Dir. Throw is the Inside or Entering version. Its usually done with a cross-grab from a partner, or, off the punch, with an Inside-Outside Block, to a "Feed". In either case, where the right hand is grabbed, the opposite foot (left) steps across the attackers centerline between the two partners, the defenders' hips pivot and back underneath the arm. The key that gets lost is the need to switch first one direction and then, immediately the opposite direction, causing misalignment of the hips and shoulders and down to the mat he goes. Then----By taking the arm out of the verticle position a'la Aikido and laying it in a horizontal position it is possible to use the same biomechanic to produce a throw. One could execute the same maneuver, perhaps dropping to one knew (if your are feeling kindly towards your partner) and execute an elbow-wrist throw. Very effective stuff. However, It does not work the other way. Performing the same technique (4 Dir Throw, right hand cross grab) in an Outside aplication one must step two-shoulder-widthes behind with the right foot AND drop the hips. This causes the attackers' weight to load on the nearer foot and inhibits their spinning out of the technique. However, as I mentioned earlier,to execute a throw one would want to RAISE the individuals hips (Ctr of Grav) to cause them to go airborne. What this creates are two different, almost opposed vectors. The attacker feels the technique and wants to spin-out to relieve the situation, but can't if the technique is executed properly.But now, there is also the upward motion which is intended to raise the CTR of Gravity. The attacker must now decide which vector to honor and not having time, usually splits the difference and winds up on top of the defender, as was seen at the Ft. Collins Seminar. I believe that Michael is correct in saying that with practice couple can learn to negotiate this technique, but IMVHO I believe that what you have then is a coordinated acrobatic rather than a viable self-defense technique. If you re-read your suggests for various applications of this biomechanic, Dakin, (all of which are certainly viable) note that each of your suggestions keeps the attacker's center of gravity close to your own and exploits the loading of the attackers'weight on his near leg (ie. Single leg sweep; Rearward Firemans' Throw). In these cases there is actually only a single vector involved. I know its really hard to explain these things in print, but I hope this helps. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:45:41 -0400 From: bredfield CC: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Sensei again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I also noted that the center symbol is "Moo" not Moo Duk Kwan, other than that just the confusion over GM Hwang Kee's history then TaeKwanDo, and the use of Japanese terms, senseii, kata, kumite, etc, just my 2 cents bernard --__--__-- Message: 9 From: txskater@attbi.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:05:22 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Braeswood Martial Arts Grand Opening Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master McHenry is very correct. I attended the Grand Opening on Saturday as well. I wanted to see the various martial arts demonstrated and "Boy, what a show". Seeing everyone in action was an inpiration beyond belief. Especially "Thumper". Good luck Kat with your school. Maybe one day, you will come to my Grand Opening as well. Walter Morrison Dallas, TX Kat Kelly's Braeswood Martial Art Center had their grand opening this weekend in Houston TX. Spectators were entertained by demonstrations from: -Master Troy Trudeau, 7th degree Tae Sool Won (list member) -Master "Mac" McHenry, 6th degree Tang Soo Do (list member) -Master Jackie Smith, 5th degree Pasaryu -Master Chris Evans, 5th degree Kenpo -Mr. Richard Coleman 3rd degree Tae Sool Won (list member?) -Miss Mindy McHenry 2nd Degree Tang Soo Do -Mr. Keith Wicker 2nd Degree Tae Kwon Do (list member) -Mrs. Kat Kelly 1st Degree Kong Shin Bup (list member) Mrs. Kelly was a great host and we all had a great time. I want to thank her for her hospitality. It was impressive that all the guys from Tennessee could drive at least 14 hours all night and perform so well at the demonstration (Trudeau, Smith, Evans & Coleman). I wish Mrs. Kelly all the success in the future. She is a member of Grandmaster Rudy Timmerman's National Korean Martial Arts Association which was represented very well. I look forward to seeing everyone again at Master JR West's 17th International HapKiDo and Korean Martial Arts Seminar August 16-18 in Jackson MS. Information about Mrs. Kelly's school can be found at: http://www.braeswoodmartialart.com/ Information about the National Korean Martial Arts Association: http://www.nkmaa.com/ Information about the United States Korean Martial Arts Federation: http://www.hapkido.com/ Information about the World Tae Sool Won Association: http://www.wtswa.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea, U.S. to consult on shootout Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korea, U.S. to consult on shootout Top South Korean and U.S. military leaders yesterday vowed to fully cooperate in dealing with the North Korean navy's armed provocation in the West Sea. Defense Minister Kim Dong-shin met Gen. Leon LaPorte, commander-in-chief of U.S. Forces Korea, for the first time since the gun battle occurred Saturday. LaPorte also heads the Korea-U.S. Combined Forces Command. "The two sides exchanged opinions about the background of the North's attack and agreed to fully cooperate in intelligence and other areas," a Defense Ministry official said. Earlier in the day, hundreds of families and military officials mourned four sailors killed during the sea battle in a memorial service at a military hospital on the outskirts of Seoul. The funeral was full of tears and cries. Some women even collapsed in their grief. The sailors' remains were cremated and buried in national cemetery in Daejeon in the afternoon. "Your bold, heroic fighting spirit defeated the enemies and protected our sea," Adm. Chang Jeong-kil, Navy chief of staff, said in an address. The four seamen were killed when a North Korean patrol boat fired and sank their speedboat south of the western maritime border. One soldier went missing and 19 were injured. Four Navy vessels continued search operations for the missing sailor, Chief Petty Officer Han Sang-guk, in the West Sea. The Navy will soon began work to salvage the speedboat from the bottom, Commodore Ahn Ki-seok, Navy deputy chief of operations, said. The vessel is believed to be lying on the seabed some 15-20 meters below the surface. The salvage work is expected to take a month because of the strong tidal current in the area, Ann said. The Navy has dispatched a 2,500 ton-rescue vessel with 60 crewmembers aboard to Pyeongtaek Port near the clash site, he said. The military remained on high alert near the western maritime border, though there have been no extraordinary North Korean military movements. A Navy destroyer, two patrol boats and other naval vessels were deployed near the border and F-16 fighters patrolled the area. South Korean fishing boats have been banned from operating in the area for three consecutive days. But cruise ships and passenger ferries were in normal operation. jjhwang@koreaherald.co.kr By Hwang Jang-jin Staff reporter 2002.07.02 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest