Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 03:27:30 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #349 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Baltimore, Tulsa, Dallas, Allentown, home (Ken McDonough) 3. Re: KSW and many techniques (spunkykvf) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] I'll be there! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know of two list members, Ryan Cassidy and myself, who will be present at the championship next week. I'll definitly keep my eye out for you. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: maganda44@yahoo.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Baltimore, Tulsa, Dallas, Allentown, home Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The clock is ticking. Got to retire from one career and enter into another. May end up in any of the subject areas above or stay where I am. The future is uncertain, unclear, and filled with fear. Afraid of the unknown, I glance at my watch. Time is ticking away. I am alone and the walls are closing in. If I end up in any of the subject towns and you live near there please invite me in from the cold for a cup of Joe. Then tell me where a good school is or a good instructor. The rear view mirror has been cleaned and adjusted. Checked the oil, water, and tires. Preparation is the key. The lonely road awaits me. That is why I will be known as the neophyte Road Warrior. Peace, McD... Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:44:28 -0700 From: spunkykvf To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KSW and many techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Zaruba states: >Hey Everyone, > >" The techniques taught in the underbelt >curriculum of my style (Kuk Sool Won) may seem like 231 separate techniques but this is only the case if you don't understand how the curriculum is designed and arranged to promote a thorough understanding of how to use a small number of key joint-locks and throws from different positions and situations. The idea is to master a small number of key techniques and then employ them from a variety of situations." > I have to chime in here as a former practitioner of KSW. The underbelt curriculum includes 6 forms, ki breathing, kicks and punches, and 226 techniques. Now, the problem with how some, and here may be the problem, instructors teach the different technique sets is that they have the students "learn" them within a very short period of time, and never work on perfecting them. Just get them down so that during BB testing, you don't totally space them. However, there are so many different ones, at least so it seems when no one is giving you time to learn how to make them work and how the body moves, and disturbing the opponent's center and your strength position vs his, that most students end up with 226 techniques that don't really work. Perhaps at Mr. Zaruba's school, he gives his students the time required and the help needed to make the techniques work and the students can see how there aren't really so many different techniques as there are different positions to initiate them from. So, it is not the MA, but rather the instructor that becomes the important key in what school graduates MAs and which one graduates Mcdojang BBs. However, at the BB testings that I saw and the BBs I saw from my and other surrounding KSW schools, I would say that the students are learning 226 diffferent techniques. Hence, the reason I went on to another school, and another art. >"Using this type of curriculum >supplemented with basic ground grappling, progressive training in sparring >(this includes the eventual inclusion of all throws, chokes, grappling ect. >As well as strikes and kicks), and adrenaline based self defense drills >against one or more assailants and you have a very powerful and effective system that develops excellent muscle memory for actual self defense as well as providing all of the fitness benefits that are also desired by a number of my students." > The self defense benefits of any MA is sometimes lost in the teachings of an art that reallytakes a decade or more to get proficient enuff to use automatically when attacked in the real world by someone not doing the memorized steps. The KSW that I have been exposed to as well as other arts, ( I chose to pick KSW for this particular opinion piece due to my personal long time association, 4 years) was one of point sparring, air kicking and punching and techniques performed despite the obvious lack of efficacy. In fact, KSW, like many closed arts, has a rule against its students looking elsewhere to add to their toolbox, as KSW is supposedly the end all. What I have discovered is that the truly good instructor knows many different arts, or has been exposed to and continues to be exposed to, many different MA, and also knows when he doesn't have all the answers and neither does his particular MA. >"I don't think we don't really need any new arts, just a better understanding of what is being done, how it applies to today, and how to properly train in our chosen style to make it effective." > I think that cross training for the MA is as effective as it is for tennis players, runners etc. There is something to be said for being open to other ideas and incorporating what works, even if it is from a different MA as all arts tend to approach things from a slightly different angle. Spunky --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! 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