Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:15:57 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #351 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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RE: Thoughts for the returning student (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 3. Re: Baltimore, Tulsa, Dallas, Allentown, home (Brian Beach) 4. issue 230 ? (Ray Terry) 5. KMAIA Revisited (Gary Pointer) 6. My comments on posts... (Charles Veuleman) 7. Re: KMAIA Revisited (Ray Terry) 8. RE: KMAIA Revisited (Wallace, John) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 05:19:19 -0400 From: Harold Whalen To: "the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com" , "the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com" , "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: [The_Dojang] kmia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, I also Asked my Master Won,Kil Soo and GrandMaster Chen Hee who is the the head of the reference committee of the KHF and the head of Hapkido Chun Dokwan the Dojang we belong to and GrandMaster Kim, Nam Jae Head of the Dan Committee and they never heard of it either . the best part when I tried to do an internet search in korea it came out with one site and guess where it is based ? It gets better and better as we researched the group this is when all my troubles started fro fear of lost income or the the truth I chose to believe it was the money thing. But It could be a perfectly legit group but just kept secret almost like the death match's of that Frank Dux guy. Hal --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:57:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Thoughts for the returning student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Landa: "....I have been out of the country for one month. I returned about 3 weeks ago and I find it a little difficult to get back into my routine. Also, my body has become very sore with the stretching, sparring, and basic training. I was never like this before and I do not know what is going on. I even strained my shoulder sparring which is something that only happened about 1 year ago. My Grandmaster is starting to notice that I am not in top form like I was. Any suggestions on what I should do or should not be doing?...." At the risk of making too broad a generalization, let me say that I think you are in the process of making one of the classic training mistakes, especially in the MA. You don't mention having done any conditioning while you were absent from your school, but even if you worked to maintain some level of conditioning, it will probably not be at the same level as you experienced in class. A very common, and let me say dangerous, mistake that many folks make when returning from a hiatus is to attempt to jump right back in at the same level you were performing at when you left. Gains made in range-of-motion, speed, reaction time and accuracy, even over months of training are highly perishable conditions. Even the old masters knew this and is one of the reasons that, though hyung practice is not a substitute for practice under a master, it affords a fine combination of many of the necessary skills when training with others is not available. This is also one of the reasons that most KMA end in the suffix "-do" suggesting a a "way of life" rather than just some activity done periodically. So--- what can you do? 1.) Back-off on your performance a bit and give yourself 5-7 classes to get back into the rhythm of the class. 2.) "Staleness" the gradual degradation of performance due to over-training will hit you faster during your return time and tends to play HELL with a persons' attitude. Increase water intake, protein intake and take a basic vitamin supplement each day (stay away from mega-vitamins), increase fruits and vegetables. Make sure you are keeping away from excess carbs, fats, soda, caffiene, and alcohol as these confound the bodys' need to get back on a training metabolism by de-naturing vitamins and upsetting the bodys' training level/balance of potassium, calcium and sodium so necessary for good performance. 3.) Stress range-of-motion and relaxation versus jumping right back into sparring. 4.) Re-acquaint yourself with the Purpose that you originally went into KMA training to make sure you are still focused on the goals that originally brought you to where you are. Now, reading over what I have just listed and looking at it through (I imagine) the eyes of a 7th Guep, I can hear myself saying, "isn't this all just a little bit over-kill, or an over reaction to taking off a month from training?" My response would be, Yes--- it must seem that way---- which is exactly why most people don't give this much thought, and exactly why people get injured, pull muscles and over-exert themselves without allowing themselves back up to speed when they return. I invite you too train smarter, not harder. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:01:21 -0400 From: Brian Beach To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Baltimore, Tulsa, Dallas, Allentown, home Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "I woke up this morning I got myself a beer the future's uncertain and the end is always near - let it roll baby, roll" - j. morrison <> --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] issue 230 ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I realize this is probably a lost cause, but I'll ask anyway... Digest issue #230 (volume 9, number 230) is missing from the archives. I used to have a backup directory at my place of former employment, but no longer. Might anyone have a copy of that issue? As I say, probably not, but I thought I'd ask. If you do, please let me know. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Pointer To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KMAIA Revisited Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry, Your comments regarding the existence, function and purpose of the KMAIA is TOTALLY A LIE! You mentioned that you had this came up a year or three ago about a new organization in town, i.e., the Korean Martial Arts Instructors Association (KMAIA). The organization is not new, especially for those who have spent some REAL time in South Korea (ROK) and have legitimate affiliations with the traditional Korean martial arts organizations over there. The KMAIA does exist and they have extended an opportunity for those outside of (South) Korea to become associated with it. It is true all true traditional martial arts instuctors and those who operate dojangs in South Korea are members of the KMAIA. The organization serves as a martial arts cultural exchange or brotherhood where traditional martial artists can cross train (if they desire) without disturbing the delicate relationship of those instructors/students within other kwans. This organization has been the catalyst for traditional instructors who are probably traditional taekwondoist and they recieve cross-training and ranking in let's say hapkido or yudo. This is done to ensure that the proper techniques, teaching methods, quality of instruction and traditions are preserved and kept at its pinnacle. I have heard of this organization while I was on active duty serving my country in "the Land of the Morning Calm" and have met several instructors affiliated with the organization while stationed there. Because you can't verify from your sources if the organization is legimate or not is no reason to pass judgment. Are your sources really resouceful? I believe not, because if they were then they would not only know of the organization, but know where the organization is headquartered at to say the least. Your sources are impotent and therefore, because you can't verify the query that you've had for a year or more, then you've come to the conclusion that it must not be valid. Wow, what type of academic are you? This too is a journey like your martial arts training, so play it out until you honestly and truly find the truth. When you do, then you owe the KMAIA and its membership an apology. Also, who are you referring to by no names mentioned within the KMAIA in which you gave notice of your findings? You also made an attempt to translate the organization's name into Hangul; is your translation correct or just a translation that comes close to what the English language would be? HERE'S A CHALLANGE TO YOUR SO-CALLED RESEARCH...CONTACT THE INTERNATIONAL CHAPTER OF THE KMAIA AND BOOK/RESERVE YOURSELF (AND OTHER NON-BELIEVERS) TO JOIN US IN OUR ANNUAL TRIP TO SOUTH KOREA before giving your self-servering endorsement of "caveat emptor". This way you can at least experience it and become a truly informed individual before making something of what you obviously know nothing about. This way at least it is fair, because most individuals who are practictioners of the Korean Martial Arts here in this country (how about this hemisphere) are not truly knowledgable about the traditional Korean martial arts as they are taught and learned in South Korea from the highly skilled and ranked masters in that part of the world. If you don't know, then you don't know. It's alright to have a limited source of understanding and to seek knowledge of those things of which you do not know or understand. This is one of the principles in which our martial arts journey is based upon. Ray, you should have stepped back and reflect on this situation. Again, if you really what to know the true source then travel with us to South Korea and let us blow your mind! I dare you. Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] My comments on posts... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Damn the man! I have never heard of the KmiarzteAip or what ever it was called. I even asked one of our 'know it all' kinda guys, and he had not heard of this either. Oh well. Bruce, I think I read a post about you not supporting 'bunkai', am I correct? Could you elaborate? Bunkai is guuuuud.... Landa, Sounds like you might have some underlying problems there, but it really all depends on how long you have been training. I always tell my students to stretch while they are away, whether it be for a week or a year, but I am sure most don't do it. I actually don't mind my students who are in the darker ranks not stretching for a week or two while they vacation (it is a vacation you know) but they generally are not in that bad of shape when they get back. Maybe a checkup is in order? Also, stretch better after you work out, since your muscles will be like hot rubber, more able to stretch. Just don't over do it. Well, I am off to start my first ever summer camp at my school. I have 16 kiddo's lined up, PRAY FOR ME PLEASE! Yours In The Martial Arts, Charlie Veuleman 2nd Dan Chung Do Kwan TKD ===== ------------------------------------- L. Charles Veuleman Natchitoches Karate Institute 204 Rapides Drive Natchitoches, LA 71457 318-356-7727 http://www.bluewavekarate.com ------------------------------------- Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] KMAIA Revisited To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gary, I encourage you to reread my post. I did not say that the KMAIA does not exist. I did not say that it might not be an organization in some corner of Korea or elsewhere. I only said that the KMAIA's claim that all martial arts instructors in Korea must belong to same or all dojang owners in Korea must belong to same obviously false, as shown by numerous counterexamples. My investigation was unhurried, occurred over many many months and was thorough. I used the hanja from the KMAIA's own letterhead to fax the name to Korea and elsewhere to ensure there was NO confusion. Sorry, but this organization was unknown to the dozens with which we checked. Unless, of course, all these Master instructors were members without even knowing that they were members... :) If you wish to remain a member of this organization, fine. If you are impressed with the training you receive through this organization, fine. Again, to all, caveat emptor. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KMAIA Revisited Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:26:30 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What is self serving about "buyer beware"? Sounds like good advice to me -John Wallace 1st gup, TKD "Just because I want something to be so, does not make it so" -----Original Message----- From: Gary Pointer [mailto:thelmon_98@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:20 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] KMAIA Revisited .... before giving your self-servering endorsement of "caveat emptor"..... --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. 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