Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:11:38 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #353 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: KMAIA (Beungood@aol.com) 3. Re:Cancelled trip (Beungood@aol.com) 4. Re: Knee Problems (Chosondo@aol.com) 5. Bzzt! Bzzt! Bzzt! (Ray Terry) 6. Vol 9 Num 230 (Ray Terry) 7. Running and martial arts (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Instructors (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Hey From Korea (ABurrese@aol.com) 10. Dakin's Post (michael tomlinson) 11. Re: learning korean (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 12. Hapkido in Korea and other stuff (ABurrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Wallace, John" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kickers and Runners Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:00:58 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess it depends on the degree of specialization and training you're trying to achieve. If you're an elite marathoner, how much of your time are you going to devote to developing kicking? Otherwise, I'd say an emphatic no. The human body is a remarkably adaptable thing. If you're a triathlete who's thinking about getting into MA, I wouldn't worry about kicking screwing up your running for instance. I guess you could look at it from a "white meat vs red meat" perspective as well. A super successful long distance running would have predominantly slow twitch fibers in their legs and hips, while fast-twitch fibers are probably best suited to the activities involved in kicking. I haven't seen any studies that characterize the types of muscle fibers that, say, olympic-level taekwondo athletes have though. For most of us though, it doesn't matter. You'd need to do an insane amount of training to realize any difference from whatever muscle types predominate your physiology. Your personal attitude towards training (persistence, dedication, etc) has a lot more to do with your success, IMHO. -John Wallace 1st gup, TKD Fremont, CA -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy [mailto:callner@ameritech.net] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:36 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kickers and Runners I have heard it proposed that kickers can't run and runners can't kick. This is supposedly because doing one develops muscles in a way contrary to the other. Is there any truth to this? Does anybody know about the physiology involved? Has anyone experienced such a phenomena? Jeremy _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:47:35 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KMAIA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/22/02 4:29:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > What am I saying... I do not know if the KMAIA exists in Korea or not, > that is not the point. However based on the many counterexamples collected > > it seems very clear that the original statements from the KMAIA-USA were > highly inaccurate While training At the Chun Do Kwan Gym in Seoul and asking several instructors ,No one had heard of this organization. The only place I have seen it mentioned is on a particular website (Names witheld) that is linked to thier 6 or 8 other sister websites. If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck....... JAck --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:54:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Cancelled trip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/22/02 12:16:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > ? HERE'S A CHALLANGE TO YOUR SO-CALLED RESEARCH...CONTACT THE INTERNATIONAL > CHAPTER OF THE KMAIA AND BOOK/RESERVE YOURSELF (AND OTHER NON-BELIEVERS) TO > JOIN US IN OUR ANNUAL TRIP TO SOUTH KOREA before giving your self No disrespect intended but isn't this the trip that was cancelled due to the illness of the director's wife? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:53:59 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knee Problems Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my clinical and teaching experience knee problems and injuries comes from a variety of etiologies: poor mechanics, arthritic changes, muscle imbalances which lead to instability, being overweight, and repetitive strain (accumulative injury syndrome). The later being that no matter how bio-mechanically correct you are, there will injury in time. So, I agree with GM Timmerman that hundreds and hundreds of repetition may not be such a great idea. Arriving at a proper diagnosis (by way of differential diagnosis) is tantamount to a sound treatment strategy. There are numerous diagnoses that could be ascribed to the knee. However, I see arthirtic changes, laxity of the anterior cruciate ligament (most often caused by lock out motions- hyperextension by kicking in the air without proper form), and injury to the medial meniscus and medial collateral ligament most frequently. I recommend corrective exercises, proper mechanics, diet (avoid "night shades"), nutritional supplementation (Glucosamine Sulphate: 1500 mg per day), and surgical intervenion when appropriate. It is also important to stay hydrated. I have found that over 75% of my clients are dehydrated which is a major cause of some of their compliants. Yes, good old H2O. The chespest medicine on the planet yet virtually no one uses it. Think of the cellular compromise if you are dehydrated... Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bzzt! Bzzt! Bzzt! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > The statement that all LEGITIMATE traditional Korean martial arts > instructors and dojang operators are members of the KMAIA is true. The > definitive word here is ...Legitimate. Sorry, but the BS alarms are going off all around the world. Yep, all those checked were legitimate. > BTW, Hal why are you climbing on the band wagon? Legitimate members of the > Korea Hapkido Federation (KHF) are members of the KMAIA. Is this another one of those where they were members, but just didn't know it? Several of those I checked with were KHF masters teaching in Korea. The KMAIA? What is that??? And no need to slander Hal. He is as legit as the day is long. Get on the mat w/him if you feel otherwise. However some of those you may choose to associate with may not be able to make that claim. > I'm washing my hands of this (unless I'm forced to respond). The truth to > the claims made by the KMAIA are legitimate (despite what you may think). > The research done wasn't extensive nor exaustive. I strongly suspect that nothing will be sufficently extensive or exaustive if it doesn't come up with the answer that has already been planted in your head. I honestly entered into this investigation with an open mind and took time for the data to roll in. The data is in. The truth is known. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Vol 9 Num 230 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow! Thanks! I've received a dozen or so copies of that back issue from folks. Thanks again. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:05:49 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Running and martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jeremy writes: > I have heard it proposed that kickers can't run and runners can't kick. This > is supposedly because doing one develops muscles in a way contrary to the > other. Is there any truth to this? Does anybody know about the physiology > involved? Has anyone experienced such a phenomena? Hello Jeremy. Long distance running and jogging develops muscles in a different way than does sprinting (look up slow twitch and fast twitch muscles), and I you need to consider this when choosing the type of running you do. I have had a number of students who ran in addition to their martial art training. Some of them developed "tight" muscles in the legs; however, otheres had no problem at all. Proper stretching, warm-ups and cool-downs are also a vital component of a running (or martial art) program. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:16:22 -0400 From: "Rudy Timmerman" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Instructors Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Pointer writes: > The statement that all LEGITIMATE traditional Korean martial arts > instructors and dojang operators are members of the KMAIA is true. I am not a member of KMAIA, and I am surprised to find out that, after spending 50 plus years of training (more than 35 years as an Instructor), I am apparently not a legitimate Instructor of Korean arts. I also have had the pleasure of training under three highly competent Korean Grandmasters who never in these fifty some years mentioned KMAIA, I'll bet they are as surprised as I am to find out they are not Instructors. Sincerely, Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:33:07 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hey From Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey all, The BBQ and seminar in Colorado was great fun! Lots of talent, with MA/SD as well as cooking and music. (After a full day of training, there was a huge BBQ and then a jam session. Then, after a very long series of planes and layovers, we arrived here in Inchon. Not really sure what is planned, I'm just sort of going with the flow. :-) Should be heading to Kangnung the 25th where I'll get to see my HKD instructors and do some training. Rainy here still, so hoping it clears soon. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:32:01 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dakin's Post Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dude that was poetry in motion, my hats off to you for covering that subject like a big fat crunchy peanut butter and grape jelly sandwich! Hey that sounds pretty good, I think I'll make me one and read your post again,,, Hapki Bro!! Michael Tomlinson (certified dan holder of the human race) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:51:46 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: learning korean Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> hi kent, i bought the _NTC's Compact Korean and English Dictionary_ by BJ Jones and Gene S. Rhie. it's been pretty helpful to us. i got it at either borders or barnes and nobles. it was $22.95 so you might want to search for a less expensive dealer or get a used one at amazon. i wish i had...lol. if youre searching for a martial arts related korean dictionary, you might want to try another one titled something like _a martial artist's guide to korean and hangul_. perhaps someone else can correct me on the title and add an author. you might also want to check out our links page for more links to korean language sites: http://hometown.aol.com/chunjido/malinks.html there's an email list, too, called learning korean. i'll try to remember to post the subscription info next time i get an email. i just cleared my filing cabinet so i dont have the info handy. good luck and take care, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy http://www.cjmaa.com Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply http://www.cjmas.com Toll Free: 1-877-847-4072 Proud Sponsor of the 2001 10th Annual US Open TKD Championships --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:52:13 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido in Korea and other stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reading all the bickering and such regarding true training in Korea, the BEST, etc. makes me sad. I'm not the best and I don't train with the best and I'm not affiliated with the best. I get tired of all the bashing and claims made at times. Here's what I do know though: My instructors in Korea are men I respect greatly. The instructor I am closest with has not only taught me tons, but is a kind, generous man who one summer opened his home to me. I went to four classes a day with him that summer. We ate together and he gave me a place to stay. His school is affiliated with the Korea Hapkido Federation, and my dan certificates are from this organization. It is him, my instructor that I respect the most, not the organization he happens to belong to. When I ask him about different organizations, he does not bad mouth any of them. He says those things are not important. He says what is important is that you train, train hard, do your best, always try to improve, and be a good person, respecting others. Seems like words I should follow, so I will do my best to do so. I am not affiliated with any organization in the U.S. because of all of the bad mouthing and fighting about who is legit and who is the best. I do know that everyone involved with Grandmaster J.R. West's organization has been very honest, respectful and great to meet and communicate with. Out of American organizations, this is one I can say I believe in and if were to join one would be on the list. The HKD seminars held in Jackson attract top notch people, both in skill as well as character. People have checked up on me to see if I really have rank from the KHF. I have been called and told I was not real in the past and that I wasn't KHF. ???? Oh well, these people checked and found my name registered in Seoul with the KHF. People have written to me wanting rank from the KHF. Sometimes I wish my instructor here was like Mr. Miyagi, just teaching to teach with no affiliations. But then I would be acccoused of creating stories of training with some unknown master in the hills..... If you train, train to be your very best - not someone elses. Respect others and their training. If you teach, teach to help your students reach their potential and goals. And rather than bicker and claim to be the BEST, get along and enjoy your fellow warriors on the path. One lesson I learned this last weekend in CO. People from many styles and backgrounds can come together for training, fun, companionship, and great food. Another thing is you don't have to be known or belong to an organization to be awsome. One person there has been training most of his life, taught by his father and uncles. Former Ranger in Vietnam, and is just incredible with the way he moves. He is not known, doesn't have an organization, but I sure felt honored to learn from him, and can't wait to see him again to learn a little more. Just like I can't wait till later this week to learn from my HKD instructor here in Korea. For learning and then passing what you know on to others is what it's really all about. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest