Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:07:33 -0500 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 9 #366 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sender: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net List-Help: List-Post: X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Subscribe: List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Uijongbu, The Media, Protests and The Deaths of 2 Girls (A. Boyd) 3. Re: 2nd ID guys (ABurrese@aol.com) 4. Succession stuff (Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov) 5. Cold water therapy (Halg) 6. 2003 Nationals Date Set (Ray Terry) 7. RE: Coffee, Tea etc. (Hay, Pat) 8. Liquid facts (Andrew Pratt) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Creed71963@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:42:43 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Hwang Letter to Members Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>>Forwarded message: July 7, 2002 GM Hwang Letter to Members Dear Members of the ITF, My conscience mandates that I inform you of the recent events which have transpired within the ITF. This past weekend a meeting was held of Senior staff and officers of the ITF in Toronto, Canada. Prior to the meetings opening we were contacted by Mrs. Choi and requested to visit her at her residence. She stated to those of us in attendance that the Generals will and final statement should still be executed by the ITF. General Choi asked Mrs. Choi to affirm that he wished Mr. Chang Ung of North Korea to be his successor and that he knew some members would not stay as part of the ITF; however, he also wished that we should push forward and rebuild making the ITF stronger for the future. The day after the Generals passing I drafted two statements, one announcing the Acting-President and the other stating the Generals will and final wishes. Both of these statements were withheld from the general membership by certain Senior officers of the ITF. This I find to be a dishonest way to run our organization and as such I made the Generals will public through the Internet. I now make my opinion known to all of you. I believe we should continue forward with the proceedings and business of the ITF in a democratic manner. I have made several attempts to provide guidance to the Senior staff and officers of the ITF, unfortunately to date all of my suggestions have fallen on deaf ears. I believe that we should attempt to follow the Generals will and final wishes to the best of our abilities. We should continue ITF business as usual with Russell MacLellan serving as Acting-President until the next ITF congress in June of 2003. At this time a to vote to approve the next President of the ITF should be conducted by all NGB's present. As per the Generals request, Mr. Chang Ung should be highly considered for this position and your approval. I thank you for taking the time to consider my thoughts and suggestions. Each of you must determine what course to follow and as such determine future of the ITF, our ITF. Sincerely, Grand Master Hwang K.S. K-9-1 ITF Spokesman<<<< I was under the impression that Master Choi was to be the next President, having been elected before the split. Could it be that this is the reason behind the sudden unelecting of the younger Choi? It doesn't make sense..... Craig --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 04:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Uijongbu, The Media, Protests and The Deaths of 2 Girls Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I guess that Ray considers this subject important and related to the purpose of the list so I will throw in a little background description. I lived in Uijongbu for three years and have travelled there every weekend for the past two years to practice. I get there via the subway and Uijongbu station is the focal point of unrest and demonstration in the city - no matter what the cause. The article that Ray posted was quite accurate but it doesn't convey the sense of the dragging of time from the date of the accident to the date the soldiers finally appeared before investigators. For the past month, a pavillion has been operated to protest the incident and posters have slowly spread outward from this station into Seoul. On several weekends, protests and rallies have built in the station parking lot. Police in riot gear are a block away or lined up from the exit to the intersection. Many, many people are upset and convinced they know all the details of the accident. Oddly, few of these details match. The local newspapers haven't exactly been responsible in their reporting of facts and in my inexpert opinion seem interested in inciting public reaction. Reports in the papers and on Korean TV do not bear much similarity to reports in Stars and Stripes or on AFN. This is not an isolated case either. One would be hard pressed to find any reference to outright murders of foreign nationals, including Americans, in the local media. In conversation classes when the topic comes up it usually shifts quickly to the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) which is a major bone of contention with the general populace of the RoK. The delays in producing the soldiers in question have done nothing toward improving public opinion. In all of this there is very little talk about the girls. No one I talk to knows their names. A question that comes up in the teachers' room where I work is, "After all that we've (the US) done for them, how can they be so anti-american!?" I think that's a good question but not in the indignant tone in which it gets asked but in a serious sense. How indeed can they be so angry? Is there something that needs to be addressed or are 47 million people totally in the wrong to resent the terms of the SOFA? The effect this has on people like me is neglible. I'm Canadian, I don't look like a soldier and I don't travel alone. Others, soldiers and civilians alike, have not been so lucky. So, as I come down the stairs of Uijongbu Station each Saturday and Sunday afternoon I tend to feel a lot less than relaxed. ===== Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher www.stormpages.com/haidonggumdo ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:26:01 -0400 From: ABurrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: 2nd ID guys Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken, Sure I know 2nd ID guys, I was one of them. :-) It was the 2nd ID Scout Sniper school at Camp Casey that I taught at, and the rest of the time I was at Camp Hovey. The chicken with rice inside along with the ginsing and daechu is samgaetang. Excellent stuff, that's what we had for dinner last night. Still here in Kangnung. They turned the N. Korean submarine into part of a tourist attraction. You can see it, a big Navy battleship, and other military stuff and a monument there on the coast where the sub was first seen. (Just a couple miles from Kangnung city) I was living here when the sub incident happened in 1996. They put a curfew on the city, my HKD instructor got called back into the Army, there were check points all over, etc. It was an interesting couple of weeks since at the time I was a civilian and only knew what the papers and TV were reporting. Very hot here, that's for sure. Doboks or T-shirts (summer training is sometimes done in T-shirts and Dobok pants because it is so hot) both are completely soaked by the end of class. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Bruce.Sims@med.va.gov To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:38:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Succession stuff Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Ray: ".....My conscience mandates that I inform you of the recent events which have transpired within the ITF. This past weekend a meeting was held of Senior staff and officers of the ITF in Toronto, Canada. Prior to the meetings opening we were contacted by Mrs. Choi and requested to visit her at her residence. She stated to those of us in attendance that the Generals will and final statement should still be executed by the ITF. General Choi asked Mrs. Choi to affirm that he wished Mr. Chang Ung of North Korea to be his successor and that he knew some members would not stay as part of the ITF; however, he also wished that we should push forward and rebuild making the ITF stronger for the future......" Thanks for forwarding the letter from Master Hwang. I can't help but feel that now would be a very good time for us all to watch carefully how the leadership of a multi-national KMA organization passes the reins of power from one generation to the next. IME this seems to be the perpetual weak spot in management when it comes to these organizations. Lets see. Dad runs an organization, ITF, with a single major competitor, the WTF. There is resistance to merging these two organizations because their simply is not enough room at the trough for all the existing high ranks in both camps to feed themselves in the style to which they think they should become accustomed. The reins were supposed to go to the son, but Choi, jr. had his own ideas about what was important for the organization so he is no longer in the running. Now we have a new candidate who will theoretically support Gen Chois' original agenda, and personalities are beginning to advocate for his assignment (election?) to the top spot in the organization while an acting-jack takes care of things until June next year. For those of you that have not been keeping up on current events, what I have just outlined is the face of modern KMA. Don't look for bowing and scraping and secret oathes taken by lamp-light at the witching hour. In any given history of TKD there is much made of connections with warriors of old and the romance of following the Confucian ethic as expressed in the Hwa Rang O-gae. But when the rubber actually meets the road what we got here is succession in the corporate world with the prize being the revenues of tens of thousands of members and the marketing finances associated with television and the Olympics. FWIW let me say that I don't have a problem with as of this corporate jockeying. Just don't lets have any of the players come back in 15 years and try to re-spin these boardroom power plays the way the last generation worked to represent the origins of the art for anything other than what it was. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:09:44 -0600 From: Halg To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cold water therapy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cold water hydrotherapy. Think of it as a giant ice pack. We used to stand in thr river with our horses after hard rides. It wasn't too pleasant being in the water, but riders and horses seemes to be better for it the next day. I have also read an article in a running magazine expousing this practice. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2003 Nationals Date Set Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In order that you might plan your year ahead - please set aside the following dates for: 29th US National Taekwondo Championships May 21-25, 2003 Morial Convention Center New Orleans, Louisana and don't forget: USTU National Team Trials August 24-25, 2002 Colorado Springs, Colorado Olympic Training Center Competition begins at 9am each day Ticket Prices: Adults: $10.00 Children 12 and Under: $7.00 Chiliren 4 and Under: Free For more information, please contact the USTU National Events office at: (719) 866-4632 or ustuevents@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Hay, Pat" To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net'" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:09:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Coffee, Tea etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".......Thanks for the info, but I have a question. If caffeine in soda is bad, what about the caffeine in coffee or green tea? I rather occasionally drink coffee and have tea every other day or so. Does caffeine have any value nutritionally? I drink plenty of water, 3-4 qts daily. Does that help, or affect the end results? ....." Eric, In addition to caffeine being a concern, coffee and sugar have been indicated in suppressing HGH Human Growth Hormone. That is not good. On the good side ..... Green Tea has been shown to have many health benefits. Patrick Hay 1st Dan TKD --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Andrew Pratt" To: "dojang" Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:22:36 +0900 Subject: [The_Dojang] Liquid facts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, After the recent discussion on water, perhaps list members would be interested in this additional information. Andrew > >Subject: Fw: Coke is it > >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:13:13 +1000 > > > >Water VS Coke > > > >WATER > > > >1. 75% of Americans are chronically dehydrated. > > > >2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often > >mistaken for hunger. > > > >3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%. > > > >4. One glass of water will shut down midnight hunger pangs for > almost 100% > >of the dieters studied in a University of Washington study. > > > >5. Lack of water, the #1 trigger of daytime fatigue. > > > >6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could > >significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers. > > > >7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, > >trouble > >with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a > >printed page. > > > >8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon > cancer by > >45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50% > >less > >likely to develop bladder cancer. > > > >And now for the properties of COKE > > > >1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two gallons of > >Coke in the truck to remove blood from the highway after a car accident. > > > >2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be > gone in two > >days. > > > >3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet > bowl and let > >the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The citric acid in > >Coke > >removes stains from vitreous china. > > > >4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with a > >rumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrapped aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola. > > > >5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of Coca-Cola > >over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion. > > > >6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the > >rusted bolt for several minutes. > > > >7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking > pan, wrap > >the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before the ham is > >finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix with > the Coke for > >sumptuous brown gravy. > > > >8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a > load of greasy > >clothes, add detergent, and run through a regular cycle. The > Coca-Cola will > >help loosen grease stains. It will also clean road haze >from your > >windshield. > > > >For Your Info > > > >1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its pH is > 2.8. It will > >dissolve a nail in about 4 days. Phosphoric acid also leaches > calcium from > >bones and is a major contributor to the rising increase in osteoporosis. > > > >2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial > truck must use > >the Hazardous material place cards reserved for Highly corrosive > materials. > > > >3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of > >their > >trucks for about 20 years! > > > >Now the question is, would you like a glass of water or coke? > > > >Coke is "it"! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net It's a great day for Taekwondo! Support the USTU by joining today. US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 104C, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-866-4632 FAX 719-866-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.org Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2002: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember 9-11! End of The_Dojang Digest